Callafangers wrote: ↑Fri Oct 31, 2025 6:07 pm
Nessie wrote:You cherrypicked evidence and quite mined, both logical fallacies. You rely heavily on the use of logical fallacies, as you have no actual evidence. When you get caught, you try and dismiss that "zero substance". But you are misrepresenting the evidence, to prop up your desired beliefs. If you accepted the evidence, you would have to accept you were wrong.
This isn't even coherent. You are lame.
You fall for logical fallacies, because you are unable to understand and recognise them. It is obvious that you quote mined and cherry picked when you missed out human remains and only included ashes and sand.
Nessie wrote:Yet again, you show how ignorant you are of the evidence. Are you sure that the only time human remains were found at TII, was by the Polish War Crimes Commission in 1945? Would you like to do some research and check that claim?
This is not an argument. Your "2 hectares" claim or any claim to even hundreds -- let alone thousands or hundreds of thousands -- of corpses/Jews specifically (not just 'disturbances') comes entirely from Judge L and his clique.
What about the evidence from the initial Soviet investigation, the grave robbing, when the memorial was built and later reports of cremains being found on the surface of the ground? Why are you missing all of that evidence out? Stop cherry picking.
Nessie wrote:Are you sure that I am taking Lukaszkiewicz only, and extrapolating that evidence alone, into c800,000 corpses? Or, have you made another cock up about the evidence?
This is a question, not an argument, and yes -- you are doing all of this.
I am not using the evidence from Lukaszkiewicz alone, to determine the death toll. That comes from Nazi documents and witness estimations.
Nessie wrote:Are you sure the only other evidence is the witnesses?
Yes, Nessie. I am certain of this. You have zero evidence of corpses. You're behaving like a child, now, acting coy as though you have some "big evidence" you're keeping up your sleeve.
You are a clown and it's no shock that other members here "misgender" you, given you behave like a lil' bitch.
I have physical evidence from the camp site surveys, from what the grave robbers disturbed and from the building of the memorial, to corroborate the eyewitnesses. Then there is the circumstantial evidence of mass arrivals, with no corresponding mass departures.
I get abused by people who hate it, that I easily catch them out, making mistakes and picking holes in their logically flawed arguments. I also get censored, with posts being removed from threads. That tells me I have won the debate.
Nessie wrote:Callafangers wrote:
Notice anything? Perhaps that the entire discussion of excavations here pertains to this one massive crater?
They did multiple excavations, in one crater? Is that what you are saying?
Again, Nessie: this is a
question, from you -- NOT an argument.
It is not what *I* am saying -- Judge L is 100% clear that he is talking about this one single crater. There is no room to interpret the excavations referred to as being at anywhere else other than the crater he is specifically talking about and referencing back to throughout the same paragraph.
You are pretending not to understand this because you are an effeminate liar.
He talks about different excavations, on different days, some of which result in the finding of buried property and no buried remains. The day they excavate in the 2 hectare area, he talks about craters and excavations, both plural, so more than one crater is dug into. He concentrates on the largest.
Nessie wrote:He said excavations, not excavation, and craters, not crater and he reports an area of 2 hectares where human remains are located, not just a single crater.
You're just dead-wrong, here, so you devolve into more blatant dishonesty. Not surprising.
Here again is the only relevant quote from Judge L about the "excavations" in question. We'll let the readers decide whether or not multiple craters are being excavated, here:
The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments attest to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters – its walls give recognizable evidence of the presence of a large quantity of ashes as well as human remains – was further excavated in order to discover the depth of the pit in this part of the camp. Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, partially still in a state of decomposition.[208] The soil consists of ashes interspersed with sand, is of a dark gray color and granulous in form. During the excavations, the soil gave off an intense odor of burning and decay. At a depth of 7.5 meters the bottom was reached, which consisted of layers of unmixed sand. At this point the digging was stopped here.
For the record:
- The text refers specifically to "the largest of the craters" as a singular entity that "was further excavated", indicating that only one primary crater is being discussed.
- Plural terms like "these excavations" and "during the excavations" describe multiple digging activities, but these are contextualized within the singular crater (e.g., to probe its depth and walls).
- No explicit mention or description of excavating other craters; the narrative centers solely on this one (noted as the largest among implied multiples), stopping at its 7.5-meter bottom.
No reasonable person can see this any other way. It just isn't there.
I disagree, the use of plural makes sense, when there were multiple craters and excavations. You are trying to avoid admitting that the craters exposing ground that had been covered over, is evidence of the scale of the area where the Nazis had the mass graves.
The "2 hectares" fantasy is dead, Nessie. The only reference to this "2 hectares" area is Judge L mentioning that this is the surface area across which ash/remains/sand was scattered due to the bomb that exploded a massive crater which had corpses in it -- the sole location where corpses were found at all.
For that to be the case, the Nazis would have buried all the dead in one grave, that somehow, the Soviets found, and blew up, leaving scattered remains on the surface around that grave, on ground that had never been dug into. Where is your evidence of that? How does that fit with all the eyewitnesses who describe multiple graves and the geophysics that located 5 pits?
That is your unevidenced theory, not backed by any other evidence. I have eyewitness, photographic and geophysical evidence of ground disturbances across the 2 hectares.
No -- it is a fact that your "2 hectares" claim is/was based entirely on Judge L's statement, now known to refer only to ashes/remains blown onto the surface from a single crater. Do you have anyone, anywhere else that mentions "2 hectares" or gives any indication of this specific surface area, referring to corpses buried underneath?
Nessie, this is "rock bottom". Face it, own it, admit it.
The evidence of the 2 hectare area comes from
- the 1944 aerial photo
- eyewitness maps showing the area of multiple graves
- eyewitness descriptions of the main grave area
- Lukaszkiewicz's finds
- the 2011 geophysical survey
At the very least, tell us how many "Olympic sized swimming pools" you would still claim are evidenced as filled with Jews.
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I would say 80-90% of them, the rest being slivers of ground between the graves.
Of course you would "say" it, moron. You certainly cannot
evidence it, which is why you simply "said" it instead of linking/summarizing/presenting your earth-shattering evidence.
I can evidence it, from eyewitnesses and the geophysics, that evidence multiple graves dug together in that area.
Nessie wrote:I can evidence mass graves and c800,000 buried there. You merely misrepresent that evidence and fail to produce any of your own. When you come to your conclusions, you ignore much of the evidence. Stop cherry picking.
You absolutely cannot. You cannot evidence even c80,000, let alone 10x this amount. You can't so you don't. You've made that clear in this very thread.
I'd wager you can't evidence 8,000 or perhaps even 800.
I might give you 80.
Nazi documents record the arrival of c850,000 at the camp, with evidence only a few thousand left after worker selections. Eyewitnesses, made up from local Poles, Nazi camp staff and Jewish prisoners, all describe mass arrivals and none describe any departures. Estimations of how many died at the camp, run into over a million. You cherry pick and ignore that evidence. You then pretend that I only have evidence of limited disturbed ground and buried remains. Your entire, unevidenced argument, is based on a self-deception.
