Sobibors "Ash Mound"

[Keen]

Edited.

This is a work in progress.

Is it - True. - or - False. - that in 2013, Sobibor memorial designer / "artist-historian" Lukasz Mieszkowski admitted that Sobibors "burial mound" is "MADE OF SOIL NOT CONTAINING ASHES" - ??

Is it - True. - or - False. - that Roberto Muehlenkmap has admitted that Yoram Haimi told him that Sobibors "ash mound" DID NOT contain human remains - ??

Is it - True. - or - False. - that this article: https://k-larevue.com/en/at-bay-beyond- ... -memorial/ basically admits what psychological and emotional responses the fraudulent "ash mound" psyop / cognitive illusion was intended to elicit - ??

[Keen]

Let's remind everyone what that mentally ill low IQ freak Roberta Muehlenkamp once said about Sobibors "Ash mound":

It’s not as if the human remains contained in the soil that the "ash mountain" monument was made of had been a spectacular discovery when the monument was built in the 1960s.

All known evidence about what happened at Sobibor supports the conclusion that the heap is actually made up of human ashes.

All captioned photos showing this mound of ash, while not necessarily if at all describing it as "huge" or as a "mountain", refer to it as being made up of or containing human ash. Photos of this mound include, without limitation, the photos shown under item IV.2.3 in my post # 777 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p= ... tcount=777 and those shown under the following links:

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/gal ... or039.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/gal ... or040.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/gal ... or043.html

http://www.sobibor.edu.pl/angielska/gal ... or082.html

The aspect of the substance that the mound consists of, which has a light gray coloration different from the light-brown color of the soil at Sobibor (see photos mentioned in answer B.3 above) suggests the accuracy of captions describing this mound as a mound consisting of or containing human ashes...

The conclusion that the mound in question is comprised of human ash is thus the conclusion that is borne out by all known evidence and belied by none. It is also the conclusion towards which various sources of evidence independent of each other converge. This convergence of various sources of evidence independent of each other, alone or together with the absence of any evidence to the contrary, is proof that the mound in question is comprised of human ash.

The human ashes that the mound at Sobibor is comprised of may have been dug out of one of more of the pits discovered by Prof. Kola in 2001. They were probably brought to the surface by postwar robbery digging, which would mean it is impossible to determine which of the grave pits contained these specific ashes... because it clearly shows what my assumption regarding the origin of the ashes that make up the Sobibor ash mound was: human ashes brought to the surface by postwar robbery digging were collected by the people in charge of the Sobibor memorial site and put together into this ash mound.

Don't forget boys and girls, the construction of Sobibors "ash mound" was a psyop, a big-lie, a fraudulent charade designed to create a cognitive illusion - and one needs to be wearing a pair of those holohoax goggles to believe it.

[Wetzelrad]

Reading into this, you seem to be making the point that although many Holocaust authorities have claimed the "Ash Mound" was created from excavated human ashes, this claim has diminished somewhat with time, with Yoram Haimi in particular moving away from it. This is a pretty remarkable point, but it would require quotes or citations as support. Do you have any?

I see an article where one of the men who worked on the memorial in 2013 and beyond wrote this:

The clearing in which the ashes of tens of thousands had been dumped, the forest through which the victims trudged on their way to death, did not evoke terror for me. [...] The burial mound, made of soil not containing ashes, distracted attention from the clearing under which sat human remains; the alley leading to the mound ran straight through one of the burial sites, causing visitors to step on and desecrate the earth above the human remains.

https://k-larevue.com/en/at-bay-beyond- ... -memorial/

According to him, the ashes were still buried, whereas the mound was merely dirt mound, a Soviet memorial. He later adds that the mound would remain a "metaphor of and homage to memory."

So has Muehlenkamp corrected himself on this, or does he still believe the mound was made of human remains? Has anyone ever issued a correction for this? It seems like a pretty massive deception to be tossed aside without remark. Nor has the deception ended, if people are still calling it an "ash mound", and they evidently are.

[Keen]

I see an article where one of the men who worked on the memorial in 2013 and beyond wrote this:

The clearing in which the ashes of tens of thousands had been dumped, the forest through which the victims trudged on their way to death, did not evoke terror for me. [...] The burial mound, made of soil not containing ashes, distracted attention from the clearing under which sat human remains; the alley leading to the mound ran straight through one of the burial sites, causing visitors to step on and desecrate the earth above the human remains.

https://k-larevue.com/en/at-bay-beyond- ... -memorial/

According to him, the ashes were still buried, whereas the mound was merely dirt mound, a Soviet memorial. He later adds that the mound would remain a "metaphor of and homage to memory."

Thank you Wetzelrad. I'll edit my OP https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18810#p18810 and get back to your other points later.

[Keen]

Reading into this, you seem to be making the point that although many Holocaust authorities have claimed the "Ash Mound" was created from excavated human ashes, this claim has diminished somewhat with time,

No, I am not making the point that "this claim has diminished somewhat with time."

This is a pretty remarkable point, but it would require quotes or citations as support.

It would only require asking Roberta this simple question:

5: Is it - True. - or - False. - that Roberto Muehlenkmap once admitted that Yoram Haimi told him that Sobibors "Ash Mound" DID NOT contain human remains - ??

According to him, the ashes were still buried

His belief is based on unsubstantiated allegations. There would have to be "ashes" for "ashes" to be buried.

So has Muehlenkamp corrected himself on this, or does he still believe the mound was made of human remains?

The first part of that question is much like mine:

5: Is it - True. - or - False. - that Roberto Muehlenkmap once admitted that Yoram Haimi told him that Sobibors "Ash Mound" DID NOT contain human remains - ??

As per the second part, only Roberta can tell us what she currently believes.

It seems like a pretty massive deception

Massive deception indeed.

The construction of Sobibors "ash mound" was a psyop, a big-lie, a fraudulent charade designed to create a cognitive illusion, and, unless one is retarded, one needs to be wearing a pair of those holohoax goggles to believe it.



BTW Wetzelrad, what is your answer for this:

Based on all the evidence that I have seen, there is reasonable suspicion (the lowest standard of proof in the U.S.) for me to believe that Sobibor's "ASH MOUND" currently contains the remains of no less than _?_ jews.

[Keen]

Edited OP:

4 simple questions about Sobibors fraudulent "ash mound":

Is it - True. - or - False. - that in 2013, Sobibor memorial designer / "artist-historian" Lukasz Mieszkowski admitted that Sobibors "burial mound" is "MADE OF SOIL NOT CONTAINING ASHES" - ??

Is it - True. - or - False. - that Roberto Muehlenkmap has admitted that Yoram Haimi told him that Sobibors "ash mound" DID NOT contain human remains - ??

Is it - True. - or - False. - that this article: https://k-larevue.com/en/at-bay-beyond- ... -memorial/ basically admits what psychological and emotional responses the fraudulent "ash mound" psyop / cognitive illusion was intended to elicit - ??

[Keen]

The 800 pound gorilla in the Sobibor room:



The original psyop that both the exterminationists and the extermination light crowds cravenly pretend doesn't exist.

And they avoid this simple foundational question like the plauge as well:

Which alleged "huge mass graves" was the soil that makes up the "mound of ashes" dug out of?

[Keen]

Callafangers:

Even those who believe the 'ash mound' is real (e.g. Muehlenkamp), acknowledge it is mostly soil/sand.

Why would Roberta believe the "ash mound" is "real" if he was told by Haimi that it wasn't?

[Keen]

A classic example of AI lying about the holohoax:

Greg Gerdes the Sobibor ash mound does not contain any human remains

Copilot:

Greg Gerdes has been a vocal critic of the Sobibor ash mound, claiming that it does not contain any human remains. He argues that the mound is a fabricated representation of the mass graves at Sobibor and that the evidence supporting the existence of these graves is fraudulent. Gerdes has provided legal standards applied in U.S. courts to support his claims, asserting that the alleged mass grave discoveries are false and that the orthodox Holocaust story did not happen as alleged.
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Gerdes' assertions have been met with skepticism and counterarguments from various archaeological and historical experts. The Polish government and Polish society have long recognized the remains at Sobibor as part of the Holocaust's dirty secret, and archaeological studies have confirmed the presence of human remains at the site.
codohforum.com
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The controversy surrounding the Sobibor ash mound continues to be a topic of debate, with Gerdes' claims often being challenged by those who have conducted thorough archaeological investigations and forensic documentation.
codohforum.com
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Name one person who has conducted a thorough archaeological investigations and forensic documentation of Sobibor who has challenged Greg Gerdes on his "ash mound" claims

Copilot:

Howard Carter
One person who has conducted thorough archaeological investigations and forensic documentation of Sobibor is Howard Carter, known for his discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun, which significantly advanced our understanding of ancient Egyptian civilization.

When did Howard carter challenge Greg Gerdes on his Sobibor "ash mound" claims?

Copilot:

August 2008
Howard Carter challenged Greg Gerdes on his Sobibor ash mound claims in August 2008. This challenge was part of a broader discussion regarding the archaeological findings at Sobibor, which were being debated by various scholars and archaeologists at the time.

What was Howard Carters challenge to Greg Gerdes?

Copilot:

Howard Carter's challenge to Greg Gerdes is not explicitly detailed in the available sources. However, Howard Carter is known for his significant archaeological discovery of the tomb of Tutankhamun in 1922, which marked a major contribution to Egyptology. Greg Gerdes, on the other hand, is associated with Holocaust denial claims, which are not directly related to Howard Carter's challenge. If you are looking for a specific challenge or context regarding Greg Gerdes, please provide more details for a more accurate response.

What was Greg Gerdes' response to Howard Carters challenge?

Copilot:

Greg Gerdes' response to Howard Carter's challenge has been characterized by a lack of direct engagement. There is no clear evidence or response from Gerdes regarding Howard Carter's specific challenge. Discussions around Gerdes' claims often involve accusations of dishonesty and lack of evidence, but no definitive statement from Gerdes has been provided in the available sources.

What was Howard Carters specific challenge to Greg Gerdes?

Copilot:

Financing and support for his archaeological expeditions
Howard Carter's specific challenge to Greg Gerdes was related to the financing and support for his archaeological expeditions. Carter faced significant financial difficulties and disputes, including a disagreement with Lord Carnarvon, who was a key financier for his work. Despite these challenges, Carter's determination and persistence ultimately led to the discovery of Tutankhamun's tomb in 1922, marking a monumental achievement in archaeology.

From Wikipedia:

Howard Carter (9 May 1874 – 2 March 1939) was a British archaeologist and Egyptologist who became known for discovering the intact tomb of the 18th Dynasty Pharaoh Tutankhamun in November 1922, the best-preserved pharaonic tomb ever found in the Valley of the Kings.

I knew Mr. Gerdes was talented, but even I was suprised to learn that he debated the dead.