Atrocity Propaganda, Then and Now

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Re: Atrocity Propaganda, Then and Now

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Nessie wrote: Mon Dec 08, 2025 7:56 am Thank you for answering my question.
I didn't. Just addressed and refuted your fallacious innuendo. No big deal.

Lie.
Nope. Obvious.



Now do the same for the rest. If the deal with Hoettl was recorded and evidenced, then where is the same for all the others?
It was undeliberately recorded as a sidenote in a top secret document (i.e. not for disclosure) because Hoettl was working for the CIA, which was not true for most of the other captured Nazis.

Nessie wrote: Sun Dec 07, 2025 1:08 pm Proven by multiple eyewitnesses to the killings, site surveys conducted at the AR camps finding large areas of buried cremated remains, Nazi documents, such as the Einsatzgruppen OSRs that specified mass executions and also establishing motive, ability and opportunity and the circumstantial evidence of millions of missing Jews.
Everything can "proven" with bogus evidence when dissenters are called deniers and debate avoided like the plague. One can assess the solidity or fragility of alleged evidence only in the light challenges and debate. The Geocentric model was also "proven" as long as its advocates and the rulers of that time refused to have their nonsenses challenged by Heliocentric counterarguments.

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Moreover your argument is factually untrue, fallacious and anachronical because the victors of WW2 portrayed the Holocaust as a proven "fact of common knowledge" several years before the end of WW2 (1st joint statement in condemnation of it issued in December 1942).

Nessie wrote: Sun Dec 07, 2025 1:08 pm According to you all Nazis are cowards.
Not only cowards can be broken by "advanced interrogation" techniques. And very few Nazis were needed to fool people with false confessions at show trials. Rudolf Hoess' false confession was enough to achieve that end. Even some top Nazis, like Hans Frank for instance, got fooled by Hoess' false confession.

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Nessie wrote: Sun Dec 07, 2025 1:08 pm What about all the Nazis in South America? Why did none of them step in to save their colleagues?
Why would they have done such a foolish thing? To be located and captured by the Mossad?

To deny what? Most of them were not even supposed to be aware of that alleged most top secret operation. The Holocaust was supposedly know to only a handful of Nazis (fewer than 100), most of them dead or hiding, and a complete mystery to all the other ones. How could anyone possibly deny the existence of something he was not even supposed to be aware of ? If it turned out that a friends of yours was secretly a serial killer for years, how could you possibly say if it's true or not and testify to it before a court?

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Nessie wrote: Sun Dec 07, 2025 1:08 pm Plenty of documents record the execution of partisans, Communists and Jews. The Nazis used murder to achieve policy ends.
No, that's a big lie and you know it. Stop using that multi-debunked giant bluff.

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Re: Atrocity Propaganda, Then and Now

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Eye of Zyclone wrote: Mon Dec 08, 2025 12:08 pm
Nessie wrote: Mon Dec 08, 2025 7:56 am Thank you for answering my question.
I didn't. Just addressed and refuted your fallacious innuendo. No big deal.
Thanks for addressing my question.
Lie.
Nope. Obvious.
I constantly ask for and evidence my claims, you lied when you claimed I was doing it for the first time.
Now do the same for the rest. If the deal with Hoettl was recorded and evidenced, then where is the same for all the others?
It was undeliberately recorded as a sidenote in a top secret document (i.e. not for disclosure) because Hoettl was working for the CIA, which was not true for most of the other captured Nazis.
IOW, you have no evidence. Thanks for that admission.
Nessie wrote: Sun Dec 07, 2025 1:08 pm Proven by multiple eyewitnesses to the killings, site surveys conducted at the AR camps finding large areas of buried cremated remains, Nazi documents, such as the Einsatzgruppen OSRs that specified mass executions and also establishing motive, ability and opportunity and the circumstantial evidence of millions of missing Jews.
Everything can "proven" with bogus evidence when dissenters are called deniers and debate avoided like the plague. One can assess the solidity or fragility of alleged evidence only in the light challenges and debate. The Geocentric model was also "proven" as long as its advocates and the rulers of that time refused to have their nonsenses challenged by Heliocentric counterarguments.

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Prove the OSRs are bogus.
Moreover your argument is factually untrue, fallacious and anachronical because the victors of WW2 portrayed the Holocaust as a proven "fact of common knowledge" several years before the end of WW2 (1st joint statement in condemnation of it issued in December 1942).
Why did Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, a head of British Intelligence, doubt the gassing claims, in a memo in 1943?

Why did the Nazis, knowing they were being accused of running death camps in 1942, not get the Red Cross to visit any of them?
Nessie wrote: Sun Dec 07, 2025 1:08 pm According to you all Nazis are cowards.
Not only cowards can be broken by "advanced interrogation" techniques. And very few Nazis were needed to fool people with false confessions at show trials. Rudolf Hoess' false confession was enough to achieve that end. Even some top Nazis, like Hans Frank for instance, got fooled by Hoess' false confession.

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According to you, every Nazis was a coward and none were brave enough to stand up for Germany and reveal the truth.
Nessie wrote: Sun Dec 07, 2025 1:08 pm What about all the Nazis in South America? Why did none of them step in to save their colleagues?
Why would they have done such a foolish thing? To be located and captured by the Mossad?
Again, all you have to refute my point, is to accuse the Nazis of being cowards.
To deny what? Most of them were not even supposed to be aware of that alleged most top secret operation.
They all knew about it after 1945, as they fled to South America, because it was safe and already had large German communities.
The Holocaust was supposedly know to only a handful of Nazis (fewer than 100),..
Please evidence that claim.
... most of them dead or hiding, and a complete mystery to all the other ones. How could anyone possibly deny the existence of something he was not even supposed to be aware of ? If it turned out that a friends of yours was secretly a serial killer for years, how could you possibly say if it's true or not and testify to it before a court?

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What about all of the AR, Chelmno and A-B staff, many of whom had fled to South America.
Nessie wrote: Sun Dec 07, 2025 1:08 pm Plenty of documents record the execution of partisans, Communists and Jews. The Nazis used murder to achieve policy ends.
No, that's a big lie and you know it. Stop using that multi-debunked giant bluff.

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Himmler to Hitler

holocausthistory.site/1942-12-29-meldung-nr-51-himmlers-report-to-hitler-on-the-execution-of-363211-jews-in-just-four-months/

Einsatzgruppen OSRs

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... eport.html
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