Junk Folder for Derails

[Nessie]

It is scientifically and evidentially wrong, to discuss the evidence from chemical testing, in isolation, without looking at, or cherry picking, the other evidence.

[Nessie]

AI is learning how to spot Holocaust denier/revisionist arguments, how they are flawed and how to answer them.

[HansHill]

The poster above is off-topic as always but he needs to be called out that LLMs do not "learn" in any meaningful way, rather they are fed and trained on carefully curated datasets with strict guardrails, and generate output using predictive text models based on pattern emergence.

We just had a 6 month masterclass demonstration from a different poster on these exact failings, right here on this forum. To call this "learning" in any meaningul way is foolish if not downright dishonest.

[Nessie]

AI understands that so-called revisionist arguments that there was not enough evidence of wood being taken to and stored at the AR camps and used on the pyres, for them to work and be capable of cremating hundreds of thousands of corpses, is not evidence to prove there were no such mass pyres.

[HansHill]

1 - Grow up
2 - Reported

[Nessie]

HansHill, the images you post are not viewable in my region. Could you at least say what is in them?

The wood requirement for a pyre of decomposing, naked corpses, is far less than you think it should be.

[HansHill]

Q: Do LLMs understand what they are outputting?

A: No, large language models (LLMs) do not understand their outputs in the way humans do; they generate responses based on statistical patterns and probabilities without true comprehension. Their "knowledge" is derived from the data they were trained on, not from an understanding of the content.

[Nessie]

If AI cannot work out how the pyres worked, based on the limited information available about wood requirements, that does not evidence there were no pyres.

[Nessie]

Why? Because as we all know the claims of the 6m dreaded and gas chambers do not stand up to critical analysis despite the IIDF representatives here, who are paid by the kilo, banging on and bloody on about it. The claims don't stand scrutiny.

What you so-called revisionists do, is not genuine, historical revision. Your supposed analysis is evidentially and logically flawed.

[Archie]

Why? Because as we all know the claims of the 6m dreaded and gas chambers do not stand up to critical analysis despite the IIDF representatives here, who are paid by the kilo, banging on and bloody on about it. The claims don't stand scrutiny.

What you so-called revisionists do, is not genuine, historical revision. Your supposed analysis is evidentially and logically flawed.

Nessie, please don't comment unless you have something to say. Far too many of your comments (like the above) are lacking in substance.

A reminder from the forum rules:

Refrain from unsupported disagreement. This means that if you disagree with something or think it is incorrect, you must explain why you disagree or show why it's incorrect. A mere expression of disapproval is not sufficient.

[Nessie]

scale of the evidence.

There you have it gentlemen. The quality, veracity, accuracy, accountability, plausibility, or possibility of the claims don't matter; only their "scale" (ie how many times they get repeated).

Thank you Nessie, looks like i'm done with you here, and i'm sure i'll see you in a future thread.

By scale, I do not just mean volume, but also quality.

Yet again, you lie, by suggesting I do not think quality, veracity, accuracy, accountability, plausibility, or possibility matter. THEY DO MATTER.

The way you assess quality, veracity, accuracy, accountability, plausibility, or possibility, is wrong, distorted, has no basis in the reality of how historical or criminal investigations are conducted. For example, you ignore the majority of the studies of witnesses and witness evidence. Your way is designed to make evidence you do not want to believe, fail. It is biased and rooted in logically flawed arguments.

Of course you will run away from debating me about the way you investigate, since you know, you are wrong. At least with Grok, it accepted it was wrong.

[Nessie]

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To me the technical and procedural arguments are however more convincing... They pretty much exclude the exterminationist position from being even possible.

You admit that you find a logically flawed argument convincing! No wonder you have fallen for the Holocaust denial hoax.

[Nessie]

Some more relevant documents;

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ce-on.html

- List of constructions of 31 March 1942 on "5 horse stable barracks | special treatment" [Mattogno, STIA, p. 36]
- Letter from central construction office Auschwitz to SS-WVHA of 9 June 1942 on “for the special treatment of Jews, erection of 4 horse stable barracks for accomodation of effects" [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews..., p.109]
- List of barracks of 30 June 1942 on “effect barracks for special treatment 3 pieces” [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.118]
- Letter from the central construction office to the camp administration of 24 December 1943 on "stores of the special actions" [Mattogno, STIA, p. 74]

The special action needed barracks to store property, as opposed to accommodate the Jews.

- Memo of Fritz Ertl of 21 August 1942 on „bathing installations for special actions" [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 440; color scan p.1 & p.2]

It needed bathing installations.

- Speech of Oswald Pohl of 23 September 1942 on “special tasks, about which we do not have to speak words” [The Van Pelt report, VI Blueprints of the Genocide]
- Order from Glücks via Liebehenschel of 15 June 1943 on “special buildings” should be “located offside in accordance with their purpose and cannot be stared at by all sorts of people” [NO-1242]

It was to be conducted in secrecy.

- Order of 5 October 1942 on “doors for special t[reatment] of the Jews” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 48]
- Letter from Karl Bischoff of 13 January 1943 on “doors for crematorium I in the POW camp, ordered with letter dated Oct. 26, 1942 are urgently required for the carrying out of the special measures” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 91]

It needed specific doors.

- Letter from Karl Bischoff to SS-WVHA of 13 October 1942 on “due to the situation created by the special actions, the construction of the crematorium had to be begun immediately just this past July” [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.226]
- Explanationary report from Karl Bischoff of 16 December 1942 on “the individual crematoriums and other special facilities” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 61]

It involved the camp's crematoriums.

- List of construction projects of 28 October 1942 on "POW camp Auschwitz (carrying out the special treatment)" [Florian Freund et al., Der Bau des Vernichtungslagers Auschwitz-Birkenau]
- Report from Karl Bischoff of 4 November 1942 on “special cellar” in crematorium 2 [ A new document mentioning "special cellars" (Sonderkeller) in the crematoria 2 and 3 at Birkenau ]
- Memo from Fritz Wolter of 27 November 1942 on “special cellars” in crematorium 2 [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 180]

It needed the construction of special cellars.

- Memo from Heinrich Swoboda of 29 January 1943 on “cremation with simultaneous special treatment” in crematorium 2

It was in conjunction with cremations.

- Camp employement record book on 10 February 1943 on "request of dentists for the special action" [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.209]

It needed dentists.

- Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 20 February 1943 on “the men were specially accommodated because of infirmity, the women because most of them were children” [Sterbebücher von Auschwitz, document 56, back-up]
- Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 5 March 1943 on “918 women and children sent to special treatment“ [Blumental, Dokumenty i materiały, volume 1, p. 109]
- Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 8 March 1943 on “151 men and 492 women and children were specially treated“ [Blumental, Dokumenty i materiały, volume 1, p. 110]

It also involved infirm prisoners, women and children.

- Telegram of Kammler to the central construction office Auschwitz on "for the special action Hungary, immediately erect three horse-stable barracks at the swerve bunkers" [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.149]

It also involved Hungarians.

Talk about a smoking gun.

[Archie]

Some more relevant documents;

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ce-on.html

- List of constructions of 31 March 1942 on "5 horse stable barracks | special treatment" [Mattogno, STIA, p. 36]
- Letter from central construction office Auschwitz to SS-WVHA of 9 June 1942 on “for the special treatment of Jews, erection of 4 horse stable barracks for accomodation of effects" [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews..., p.109]
- List of barracks of 30 June 1942 on “effect barracks for special treatment 3 pieces” [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.118]
- Letter from the central construction office to the camp administration of 24 December 1943 on "stores of the special actions" [Mattogno, STIA, p. 74]

The special action needed barracks to store property, as opposed to accommodate the Jews.

- Memo of Fritz Ertl of 21 August 1942 on „bathing installations for special actions" [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 440; color scan p.1 & p.2]

It needed bathing installations.

- Speech of Oswald Pohl of 23 September 1942 on “special tasks, about which we do not have to speak words” [The Van Pelt report, VI Blueprints of the Genocide]
- Order from Glücks via Liebehenschel of 15 June 1943 on “special buildings” should be “located offside in accordance with their purpose and cannot be stared at by all sorts of people” [NO-1242]

It was to be conducted in secrecy.

- Order of 5 October 1942 on “doors for special t[reatment] of the Jews” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 48]
- Letter from Karl Bischoff of 13 January 1943 on “doors for crematorium I in the POW camp, ordered with letter dated Oct. 26, 1942 are urgently required for the carrying out of the special measures” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 91]

It needed specific doors.

- Letter from Karl Bischoff to SS-WVHA of 13 October 1942 on “due to the situation created by the special actions, the construction of the crematorium had to be begun immediately just this past July” [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.226]
- Explanationary report from Karl Bischoff of 16 December 1942 on “the individual crematoriums and other special facilities” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 61]

It involved the camp's crematoriums.

- List of construction projects of 28 October 1942 on "POW camp Auschwitz (carrying out the special treatment)" [Florian Freund et al., Der Bau des Vernichtungslagers Auschwitz-Birkenau]
- Report from Karl Bischoff of 4 November 1942 on “special cellar” in crematorium 2 [ A new document mentioning "special cellars" (Sonderkeller) in the crematoria 2 and 3 at Birkenau ]
- Memo from Fritz Wolter of 27 November 1942 on “special cellars” in crematorium 2 [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 180]

It needed the construction of special cellars.

- Memo from Heinrich Swoboda of 29 January 1943 on “cremation with simultaneous special treatment” in crematorium 2

It was in conjunction with cremations.

- Camp employement record book on 10 February 1943 on "request of dentists for the special action" [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.209]

It needed dentists.

- Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 20 February 1943 on “the men were specially accommodated because of infirmity, the women because most of them were children” [Sterbebücher von Auschwitz, document 56, back-up]
- Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 5 March 1943 on “918 women and children sent to special treatment“ [Blumental, Dokumenty i materiały, volume 1, p. 109]
- Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 8 March 1943 on “151 men and 492 women and children were specially treated“ [Blumental, Dokumenty i materiały, volume 1, p. 110]

It also involved infirm prisoners, women and children.

- Telegram of Kammler to the central construction office Auschwitz on "for the special action Hungary, immediately erect three horse-stable barracks at the swerve bunkers" [Bartosik, The beginnings of the extermination of Jews...,p.149]

It also involved Hungarians.

Talk about a smoking gun.

This is copypasta that does not discuss the document that billybob asked about. Did you even read the post? We have another thread for discussion of this HC page.