Junk Folder for Derails

[Wahrheitssucher]

"UKLFI provided photographic evidence of Dr Kriesels attending multiple pro-Palestinian demonstrations in London holding a hand-drawn placard depicting the Israeli flag alongside the words: “rape, steal, cry, kill, cheat, lie.”

This sign, aimed at Israelis as a whole, [Israel as a political entity and racist, apatheid ethno-state] constitutes an sweeping [accurate, anti-]racist generalisation and a clear example of [political expression] that [has NOTHING TO DO with race or ethnicity so can not be misrepresented as] antisemitism [except by anti-semites who falsely and dangerously equate Israel with ALL Jews].
She carried the placard at events on 4 June, 19 July, and 6 September 2025, and was also photographed giving an obscene gesture towards Jewish counter-demonstrators [ha-ha-ha ]

The UKLFI complaint highlighted that Dr Kriesels publicly characterised Hamas as “oppressed resistance fighters” and “not terrorists,” potentially breaching Section 12(1A) of the Terrorism Act 2000, which prohibits expressing support for a designated terrorist organisation."

This is why the world is laughing at the UK. You posted this excerpt thinking that this justifies an arrest? Laughable.

Regretably poor Nessie has psychological issue. But that is no excuse for her supporting the erosion of our civil liberties and for spreading zionist deceits.
So I corrected her racist, genocide-supporting nonsense [above].

Here’s another person from the NHS, also attacked by zionists for her legitimate political views in the UK, commenting on Dr Kriesel’s suspension:

…the UK 'israel' lobby and British jewish supremacists doxxed her, smeared her in the papers, and succeeded in getting her suspended.

Why? Because of a sign she held at the London national demo for Palestine and for exercising her freedom of speech to call out jewish supremacy (zionism).

The irony is palpable. Their message is: "Don't call us jewish supremacists; we are the victims, and 'anti-Semitism' is rife. So now we will attack you like an organised mafia and use our links in the media and the NHS to ruin your career and life."

They don't want us to say jewish supremacy because it prevents them from claiming false victimhood or crying 'anti-Semitism,' which would then expose their jewish privilege and exceptionalism.

Ellen could have said the exact same thing about Christianity or Islam; she could have criticised any country or even the UK itself in the same manner, and she would not have been attacked like this.

Our freedom of speech in Britain stops at 'israel' and any criticism of jewish behaviour.

@WhitHealth, our NHS, and Britain are well and truly occupied by jewish supremacy (zionism).

This pattern of abuse is outrageous.
Ellen did not say or do anything wrong.

These are just two cases amongst hundreds of jews-for-Israel subverting the law:

https://open.substack.com/pub/jonathanc ... medium=ios

⁦https://open.substack.com/pub/craigmurr ... edium=ios⁩

https://open.substack.com/pub/craigmurr ... medium=ios

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/12/10/j ... ne-action/

[Archie]

"UKLFI provided photographic evidence of Dr Kriesels attending multiple pro-Palestinian demonstrations in London holding a hand-drawn placard depicting the Israeli flag alongside the words: “rape, steal, cry, kill, cheat, lie.”

This sign, aimed at Israelis as a whole, [Israel as a political entity and racist, apatheid ethno-state] constitutes an sweeping [accurate, anti-]racist generalisation and a clear example of [political expression] that [has NOTHING TO DO with race or ethnicity so can not be misrepresented as] antisemitism [except by anti-semites who falsely and dangerously equate Israel with ALL Jews].
She carried the placard at events on 4 June, 19 July, and 6 September 2025, and was also photographed giving an obscene gesture towards Jewish counter-demonstrators [ha-ha-ha ]

The UKLFI complaint highlighted that Dr Kriesels publicly characterised Hamas as “oppressed resistance fighters” and “not terrorists,” potentially breaching Section 12(1A) of the Terrorism Act 2000, which prohibits expressing support for a designated terrorist organisation."

This is why the world is laughing at the UK. You posted this excerpt thinking that this justifies an arrest? Laughable.

Regretably poor Nessie has psychological issue. But that is no excuse for her supporting the erosion of our civil liberties and for spreading zionist deceits.
So I corrected her racist, genocide-supporting nonsense [above].

Here’s another person from the NHS, also attacked by zionists for her legitimate political views in the UK, commenting on Dr Kriesel’s suspension:

…the UK 'israel' lobby and British jewish supremacists doxxed her, smeared her in the papers, and succeeded in getting her suspended.

Why? Because of a sign she held at the London national demo for Palestine and for exercising her freedom of speech to call out jewish supremacy (zionism).

The irony is palpable. Their message is: "Don't call us jewish supremacists; we are the victims, and 'anti-Semitism' is rife. So now we will attack you like an organised mafia and use our links in the media and the NHS to ruin your career and life."

They don't want us to say jewish supremacy because it prevents them from claiming false victimhood or crying 'anti-Semitism,' which would then expose their jewish privilege and exceptionalism.

Ellen could have said the exact same thing about Christianity or Islam; she could have criticised any country or even the UK itself in the same manner, and she would not have been attacked like this.

Our freedom of speech in Britain stops at 'israel' and any criticism of jewish behaviour.

@WhitHealth, our NHS, and Britain are well and truly occupied by jewish supremacy (zionism).

This pattern of abuse is outrageous.
Ellen did not say or do anything wrong.

Nessie's pronouns are he/him. Do not refer to him as a she.

[Wahrheitssucher]

…I believe the Holocaust happened…

This is either:
i.) a moronic statement by a dimwitted person,
or
ii.) a deliberately deceitful statement designed to reduce discussion to an oversimplified and idiotic dichotomy that stupid people won’t notice.

[Mod comment: no ad hominem, please.]

[bombsaway]

6) The Need For Conspiracy pt II – The user suggests that this hoax conspiracy requires millions of people acting in unison to prolong the Holocaust hoax. No it doesn’t, and this is not how large scale conspiracies, such as WMDs were propagated. It simply requires millions of survivors to each consider themselves, and themselves alone, as surivors. Consider – X million Jews subsumed into the interior of the Soviet Union. Each Jew considers him/herself and their family as lucky survivors. No conspiracy needed at the million scale.

Isn't it true that Jews have a tendency to talk about their experiences, particularly if they were really difficult? You might frame this as complaining, seeking sympathy, vindictiveness towards the abuser, exploiting their trauma.

So I think the answer to the question - why would they talk? - is obvious. Why wouldn't they talk, that's what you have to describe. And when you get into that, you will see why a perfect "no leak" conspiracy involving millions is required for your belief system to remain intact.

[Archie]

6) The Need For Conspiracy pt II – The user suggests that this hoax conspiracy requires millions of people acting in unison to prolong the Holocaust hoax. No it doesn’t, and this is not how large scale conspiracies, such as WMDs were propagated. It simply requires millions of survivors to each consider themselves, and themselves alone, as surivors. Consider – X million Jews subsumed into the interior of the Soviet Union. Each Jew considers him/herself and their family as lucky survivors. No conspiracy needed at the million scale.

Isn't it true that Jews have a tendency to talk about their experiences, particularly if they were really difficult? You might frame this as complaining, seeking sympathy, vindictiveness towards the abuser, exploiting their trauma.

So I think the answer to the question - why would they talk? - is obvious. Why wouldn't they talk, that's what you have to describe. And when you get into that, you will see why a perfect "no leak" conspiracy involving millions is required for your belief system to remain intact.

bombs, I know I didn't really explain this, but in the essay discussion threads can we try to stay more focused on substantive reviews of the original essay (like what Hans posted) rather than having back-and-forth discussion on individual points, most of which already have dedicated threads? If you want to participate in the essay discussion, you don't necessarily need to post anything as long as what Hans did but at least tell us what you thought of the essay and give us some high-level commentary. Otherwise it will quickly end up being a bunch of reactions to the reactions to the reactions ... on a bunch of miscellaneous topics.

ETA: Maybe we can loosen it up at some point, but let's at least give people some time to read and review it before letting it degenerate into a general debate thread with no thematic focus.

[bombsaway]

I think the definition on wikipedia is pretty good

The Holocaust (/ˈhɒləkɔːst/ ⓘ HOL-ə-kawst),[1] known in Hebrew as the Shoah (/ˈʃoʊə/ ⓘ SHOH-ə; Hebrew: שּׁוֹאָה, romanized: Shoah, IPA: [ʃoˈʔa], lit. 'Catastrophe'), was the genocide of European Jews during World War II. From 1941 to 1945, Nazi Germany and its collaborators systematically murdered some six million Jews across German-occupied Europe, around two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population. The murders were committed primarily through mass shootings across Eastern Europe and poison gas chambers in extermination camps, chiefly Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, and Chełmno in occupied Poland.

The only thing to be quibbled with here is the 6 million, I think I would revise that to between 5-6, though saying 'some' indicates a level of approximation already

I glanced through your essay Archie and I don't have much to say. I'm not impressed at being able to take a devil's advocate position in theory. More impressive would be highlighting the arguments you believe are strongest and actually engaging with them, which you haven't done, eg you've avoided discussion of the conspiracy you believe in (or lack thereof) and resettlement - see this thread https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=663&start=15

[Archie]

I think the definition on wikipedia is pretty good

The Holocaust (/ˈhɒləkɔːst/ ⓘ HOL-ə-kawst),[1] known in Hebrew as the Shoah (/ˈʃoʊə/ ⓘ SHOH-ə; Hebrew: שּׁוֹאָה, romanized: Shoah, IPA: [ʃoˈʔa], lit. 'Catastrophe'), was the genocide of European Jews during World War II. From 1941 to 1945, Nazi Germany and its collaborators systematically murdered some six million Jews across German-occupied Europe, around two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population. The murders were committed primarily through mass shootings across Eastern Europe and poison gas chambers in extermination camps, chiefly Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, and Chełmno in occupied Poland.

The only thing to be quibbled with here is the 6 million, I think I would revise that to between 5-6, though saying 'some' indicates a level of approximation already

I glanced through your essay Archie and I don't have much to say. I'm not impressed at being able to take a devil's advocate position in theory. More impressive would be highlighting the arguments you believe are strongest and actually engaging with them, which you haven't done, eg you've avoided discussion of the conspiracy you believe in (or lack thereof) and resettlement - see this thread https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=663&start=15

This is not an adequate review.

[Nessie]

Wait, they get to just make new shit up on the fly? No, god damit, they have to go find supporting testimony from their damn stars...

I call bullshit on this 'build your own holocaust' method of history. They have to use the brick and mortar they have on hand, can't go ordering new shit 80 years later because it's stupid and doesn't work.

There is clearly a lot of history and evidence you don't know about. That does not make it "new shit".

Fact is, the scientific theory about HCN levels and PB Sanity Check is supporting, is backed by the historical evidence of how the Kremas were used. So-called revisionism has had 80 plus years to produce an evidenced revised use of the Kremas and it has failed, meaning the scientific theory you support, from Rudolf, is contradicted or at least not supported by the evidence.

When you say "a rolled up newspaper and some twigs 'just to start cremation' was sufficient" you are distorting the evidence, in a way that is designed to support your argument from incredulity. When you say "You can't properly vent LK-1 in half an hour either." you are correct, as the witnesses described having to wear gas masks as there was still gas within the chamber. The Topf & Sons engineer responsible for the ventilation was confident it worked and that you do not believe him, nor the other witnesses and think, somehow, Germans could not get LK-1 to vent, it not evidence to prove there were no gassings.

Your claim here is plain wrong, "Ultimately, in our disagreement, at its core, I can't show you the living, and you can't show me the dead. In my defense, human remains are significantly easier to find after 80 years than a footprint.". Historians and archaeologists can show you where the dead ended up. How the Nazis disposed of remains at the different camps and massacre sites, is evidenced by numerous, corroborating sources. When they cremated remains and dumped that into rivers, or mixed it into the ground in a haphazard way, they were deliberately making them difficult to find. Historians can also track the living, made easier by the Nazis not destroying many transport, ghetto and camp records. The living also leave a lot of witness evidence. Despite that, so-called revisionism cannot provide a new chronological narrative, that has millions of Jews in the camps and ghettos in 1944 and liberated in 1945, which is what would have happened if the millions of arrested Jews had been kept alive.

So, your ignorance and distortion of the historical narrative, your reliance on an illogical argument and your inability to provide an evidence revised history, all explain why you are wrong. Neither Sanity Check, nor anyone else who participates here, avoids the "Physical Evidence Question". That you are not convinced by our answers is not evidence to prove mass gassings did not happen.