Is the current Middle East conflict helping to spread revisionism?

[House of Cards]

Hi there. Long time reader, first time poster. Current world events are showing how central the shoah myth is to the existence of Israel, and by extention the justification of Israel's many military engagements, and further still the justification of Western nation's military and financial aid. Since Israel is alienating so many people, this seems a golden opportunity to chip away at that myth.

That brings me to this Scott Ritter interview that I wanted to share. For those unfamiliar, he is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer, and former UN weapons inspector. As a Marine Corps intelligence officer he used to work alongside Israel, but these days he is a vocal opponent to their regime.

This interview (see below) piqued my interest because Scott went as far as to accuse the Zionist Jewish community of exaggerating the Holocaust, he uses the phrase "Holocaust industry" and even calls out Elie Wiesel's book 'Night', stating: "turns out almost the entire book's a lie!"

"You cannot justify the continued existence of Israel based upon allegations of genocide dating back to the second world war. True or not. Let's assume everything they say is true, and we know it's not."

Bread and butter stuff for all of us here, but I seldom hear these things talked about outside of certain circles.

Relevant section starts at around 28:25



That particular video has over 200,000 views and counting.

I'm not a huge fan of Ritter; I think he exaggerates often. I don't listen to his every word, so I'm not aware of whether he has ever ventured this close to revisionism before, or if this is new territory for him. Either way, it struck me as promising to see this stuff talked about outside of the more obscure and isolated communities, such as this one. That said, I'm very glad to see this place back up and running after considerable down time.

I wondered if anyone is able to share any other examples of Revisionism breaking out of the underground over the past 12 months? I for one am eager to see the tides turning.

[Archie]

Good find. And welcome to the forum.

Sounds like he's read Norman Finkelstein. Finkelstein of course coined the term "Holocaust Industry." And in the same book he criticizes Elie Wiesel and some of the other bogus memoirists. But Ritter goes a bit further than Finkelstein since he also suggests the story is somewhat exaggerated. That's definitely crossing a line.

"allegations"
"True or not"
and especially "And we know it's not"

Right now Israel is certainly taking much more heat than usual from the left and the right. In the US, both parties are still bought and paid for, but if the political cost becomes high enough that might very well start changing. In the past, taking Zionist money to acquiesce on Middle East policies that most people didn't care about was an easy choice. But if people start to care and being associated with Israel begins to cost these people, then they might start looking elsewhere for donations.

We spend a lot of time on quite detailed research and arguments and I do think there is value in this. But realistically whether the Holocaust sinks or swims will probably depend more on political factors. In particular, whether Jews will maintain enough power to force people to keep believing. Arthur Butz in his 1982 IHR Conference talk predicted "the Holocaust legend will be overthrown in a period of political development highly unfavorable to Zionism." Notably, when he said that Israel's image was plummeting following their invasion of Lebanon. Butz would later say (around the year 2000) that he no longer felt that the collapse of the Holocaust was inevitable and felt the hoax could persist indefinitely. Sadly, I think that is right. But if there is a shift, I think it might happen more suddenly than people expect.

[Archie]

I posted a clip to X. One thing I noticed when I rewatched it is right after he says "True or not" he seems to give a knowing chuckle.

[Archie]

I guess we can add here other "mainstream" people who have made public statements skeptical of the Holocaust.

Dan Bilzerian on Piers Morgan

[TlsMS93]

I guess we can add here other "mainstream" people who have made public statements skeptical of the Holocaust.

Dan Bilzerian on Piers Morgan

The comments on X are funny about what happened to the bodies and still accuse us of not having a single line of reasoning about what happened. Is this the best that 70 years of mass indoctrination can do?

[borjastick]

What I can guarantee you is that after the genocide of Palestinians is done and probably leading to the annexation of the Gaza strip by 'Settlers' the zionist holocaust make believers will be screaming and shouting about increased anti-semitism around the world. Yet they will claim it is unjustified and unfair and without any basis and wrong. What they will never do is understand that their actions are the direct reason people, many people, dislike or hate jews.

As the saying goes 'jews always tell you what happened to them, but never why'.

[TlsMS93]

What I can guarantee you is that after the genocide of Palestinians is done and probably leading to the annexation of the Gaza strip by 'Settlers' the zionist holocaust make believers will be screaming and shouting about increased anti-semitism around the world. Yet they will claim it is unjustified and unfair and without any basis and wrong. What they will never do is understand that their actions are the direct reason people, many people, dislike or hate jews.

As the saying goes 'jews always tell you what happened to them, but never why'.

This has been planned for a long time, but they had to speed up to create their new Silk Road, which will bring peace with the rest of the Arabs, everyone there will win. But to achieve this they need to occupy the rest of the territory and put an end to this issue once and for all. On the other side, Eurasia is trying the same thing, a version of their Silk Road, the first one to get there dominates.

In fact, Israeli intelligence has prepared a kind of Generalplan Ost for the Palestinians to establish themselves in Sinai, especially because there are natural gas reserves on the coast.

[Hektor]

Hi there. Long time reader, first time poster. Current world events are showing how central the shoah myth is to the existence of Israel, and by extention the justification of Israel's many military engagements, and further still the justification of Western nation's military and financial aid. Since Israel is alienating so many people, this seems a golden opportunity to chip away at that myth.

That brings me to this Scott Ritter interview that I wanted to share. For those unfamiliar, he is a former US Marine Corps intelligence officer, and former UN weapons inspector. As a Marine Corps intelligence officer he used to work alongside Israel, but these days he is a vocal opponent to their regime.

This interview (see below) piqued my interest because Scott went as far as to accuse the Zionist Jewish community of exaggerating the Holocaust, he uses the phrase "Holocaust industry" and even calls out Elie Wiesel's book 'Night', stating: "turns out almost the entire book's a lie!"

"You cannot justify the continued existence of Israel based upon allegations of genocide dating back to the second world war. True or not. Let's assume everything they say is true, and we know it's not."
....

I wondered if anyone is able to share any other examples of Revisionism breaking out of the underground over the past 12 months? I for one am eager to see the tides turning.

Using WW2 propaganda - that's what the alleged Holocaust is anyway - as an argument becomes lame over time.

It still made some sense in the 1970 / 80s... Becaause people that were grown ups in that era were still alive. But by now, even those that were children then are of advanced age now.

Jews overplaying their card definitely does do Revisionism a favor though. And people are more open minded to look into evidence and arguments now than they would have been in the period after WW2, when that still triggered emotions.

Well and it turns out that a lot of bad decisions based on believing in the Holocaust Narrative now.

[Stubble]

What I can guarantee you is that after the genocide of Palestinians is done and probably leading to the annexation of the Gaza strip by 'Settlers' the zionist holocaust make believers will be screaming and shouting about increased anti-semitism around the world. Yet they will claim it is unjustified and unfair and without any basis and wrong. What they will never do is understand that their actions are the direct reason people, many people, dislike or hate jews.

As the saying goes 'jews always tell you what happened to them, but never why'.

They will, but, they need you to, go ahead, and, donate some money, so, they can, combat antisemitism. You see, the only way to beat antisemitism is to, give jews money, because that beats the stereotype, obviously...



Dan on Morgan's show was a breath of fresh air. It is oh so very rare to hear someone get on to the mainstream and just, lay it all out like that. It appears to be becoming more common, but, that doesn't exactly help people like Congressman Massie retain office and continue to oppose the beast that is foreign influence.

When people begin to notice just how deep jewish influence is in American politics, that leads to closer examination of the broader ww2 narrative, starting with the holocaust. Fortunately, there are great resources for people to begin their own research and they aren't starting from square one.

Something I find truly remarkable is the complete lack of jews to consider jewish behavior as a factor in what they term 'antisemitism'. Ultimately, if Israel wasn't murdering tens of thousands of children and starving people to death in a ghetto to combat partisan warfare (my how the tables have turned, the accuser begins doing the thing he accused...) I have little doubt that Israel and jewry would just continue with business as usual. Unfortunately for them, once somebody notices, the noticing will continue.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Could be beneficial to us. Might help to break the walls of the ghetto where Zionists locked us up in order to protect Israel's fragile founding myth from public debunking. Ernst Zündel covertly popularized WW2 revisionism to some extent with publicity about appealing "Nazi UFO" garbage after all...

[borjastick]

I have noticed recently that many facebook type comments about the Gaza genocide make the claim that the israelis are the new fascists, the new nazis. That they are simply repeating the crimes against them by the nazis of 85 years ago. That doesn't sound like revisionism gaining ground to me, more's the pity.

[Wahrheitssucher]

I have noticed recently that many facebook type comments about the Gaza genocide make the claim that the israelis are the new fascists, the new nazis. That they are simply repeating the crimes against them by the nazis of 85 years ago. That doesn't sound like revisionism gaining ground to me, more's the pity.

That’s just the more gullible, unintelligent dupes STILL seeing everything through their holyhoax, anti-nationalist brainwashing.

There definitely ARE many people on FB, Instagram, X (Twitter) and Tiktok who have realised that zionist-jews lie about almost EVERYTHING to serve their agendas, and they now are increasingly expressing their skepticism concerning the WW2 lying we have all been subjected to our whole lives.

I have seen many such posts and comments.
Such comments also appear on Jootube.
They are being removed though.

And its not only the erroneous, jewish-promoted holyhoax narratives that are being refuted by more people on social media.
E.g. these are recent posts on social media:

[Trebb]

I have noticed recently that many facebook type comments about the Gaza genocide make the claim that the israelis are the new fascists, the new nazis. That they are simply repeating the crimes against them by the nazis of 85 years ago. That doesn't sound like revisionism gaining ground to me, more's the pity.

That’s just the more gullible, unintelligent dupes STILL seeing everything through their holyhoax, anti-nationalist brainwashing.

There definitely ARE many people on FB, Instagram, X (Twitter) and Tiktok who have realised that zionist-jews lie about almost EVERYTHING to serve their agendas, and they now are increasingly expressing their skepticism concerning the WW2 lying we have all been subjected to our whole lives.

I have seen many such posts and comments.
Such comments also appear on Jootube.
They are being removed though.

And its not only the erroneous, jewish-promoted holyhoax narratives that are being refuted by more people on social media.
E.g. these are recent posts on social media:

I am also a long time reader of this forum and also now a first time poster (though I think I posted a few times on the old forum).

A couple of things.

Regarding the Barbara woman in Wahrheitssucher's post. I have seen her about on SoMe, where she undoubtedly betrays her contemptuous glee that the Jewish people are bringing about multicultural change on Europe, against the continent's old monolithic ethnicity, as she states it. I do not think she is the lone wolf driving this change, of course. There are whole networks delighting in the erasure of white people.

What I do not quite understand is the apparent shortsightedness of this whole plan. France and (arguably) the UK are the only two nuclear armed nations of Europe, and they are falling evermore into an Islamic influence. That has to be a risk Israel is aware of. Plus there is the normal everyday risk to Jews living in Europe.

Why do Jews/ Israel want this?

I can only rationalise the former weakly, by the further opening of the borders now to India, in order to balance the power (or, promote further division in these now divided nations).

The everyday risk to Jews living in Europe is easier to rationalise. It will force more Jewish people to come to Israel (as has been seen since 2015). Plus, those that have fled to Europe from Israel (since Oct 7th/ Gaza War) will soon find out they are not exactly safer in European countries who have large political classes that beatify Muslims. Jews fleeing Europe will tend to diminish Jewish/ Israeli political influence there, however.

Regarding Dan Bilzerian. I had no idea who he is until Archie made his post, so I had to find and watch the whole interview on Youtube. Bilzerian gave a consummate response to the wearying Piers Morgan with his wearying strategy. Talk about unruffled; Bilzerian totally resisted all attempts to have words put in his mouth or to have his opinions disregarded. He was calm, laconic and could be very sporting too "...Israel denies the Armenian Holocaust... okay...". He made Morgan appear what he has long become, an insufferable ass. Here is the whole interview, “BRAZEN Antisemite!” Piers Morgan CALLS OUT Dan Bilzerian, at the start of the relevant Holo-spat section. The comment section is a delight, e.g., "They will call you an 'anti-semite' but never a liar".

I should also say I agree with Wahrhietssucher, rather than Borjastick. I think what is happening today is more than just back-and-forth Holocaust mudslinging. People are looking into the whole Holocaust myth and are expressing doubt. I even told a Jewish friend a few weeks back that I pretty much do not believe there was a plan to exterminate the Jews. He kind of shrugged and made a weak dismissive comment, partly joking. A few days later he sent me an interview involving a crypto hero of his pretty much saying the same thing in a Youtube video spanning many other opinions and "conspiracy" theories that my Jewish friend already approves of. Knowing the forum, I was sure to scan and find a timestamp of one of the points in the interview that makes the argument that it is getting easier to say Holocaust skeptical things out loud. See here: Jack Kruse and Doc Malik. The whole long interview is also worth a watch if one has some time to kill.

For myself, I have worked through Auschwitz and Majdanek and have pretty much decided that no extermination took place in those camps. I still need to work through the other purported death camps, e.g.,Treblinka, and have been enjoying the debates here. Indeed, it is beginning to look like a thin gruel, but I have not exhausted myself on these other camps yet. I have no other throatclearing, only to add I really enjoy and value this forum (especially enjoying the Charlie Kirk thread) and the links provided (Unz makes my eyes water).

[Eye of Zyclone]

What I do not quite understand is the apparent shortsightedness of this whole plan. France and (arguably) the UK are the only two nuclear armed nations of Europe, and they are falling evermore into an Islamic influence. That has to be a risk Israel is aware of. Plus there is the normal everyday risk to Jews living in Europe.

Why do Jews/ Israel want this?

2 reasons :

1) Hardcore Zionists regard the Jews who have not yet moved to Jew-occupied Palestine as despicable traitors and increasing antisemitic pressure on those Jews in the Galuth can only help to further the Jewish colonization of Palestine (there's nothing as good as antisemitism on steroid to turn 'exiled' Jews of Europe into new settler-colonists of the so-called Holy Land). Nothing new or surprising. Fueling antisemitism to achieve this goal was part of the Zionist scheme from day one after all.

2) Zionism is part of a larger agenda called Globalism. Greater "Israel" is only supposed to become the master's house of Jewry's planned global plantation (see the Messianic hopes of Jewish eschatology) and nothing is more efficient to destroy Gentile nations than mass immigration. Thus flooding the homeland of Jewry's one and only serious rival for world domination (i.e. the White man) is of course at the top of Jewry's priority list. Hence the nonstop influx of 'refugee' invaders from Muslim countries in Europe. Moreover "Israel" needs to dump somewhere the many Muslims displaced by Zionist wars in the Middle East (Israel's expansionist conquest of more promised living space plus the Oded Yinon balkanization of the Islamic world) and Europe is just next door.

[Trebb]

Thanks Eye of Zyclone.

Yes. We concur on your reason 1. There is, though, a negative consequence for Jews who really want to remain in European nations. You would think that more of them would see the harm that this Zionist open borders aim is bringing on them and actually militate or politic against this. The Jewish friend I mention is very much for border control for all nations (I will pick his brains more). He is still sympathetic to Israel, in general, but does see its current moral bankruptcy. He is (of course) a secular person.

There is also the related consequence of Jews fleeing Israel because of the current dangers of the war there. Many have come to the European nation I live in, and they are mostly "liberals" who are unimpressed by the pretty hardcore Zionist Netanyahu and the Israeli conduct of the war. Chatting to them, there is a naive sense of security, even in social settings where they gather with Jews from this nation, even as such meetings require constant attendance by security personnel. I guess they still nurse preconceptions of skinheaded Neo-National Socialists being the actual menace to them in Europe. There is a 24 hour patrol of soldiers armed with machine guns at the city's Synagogues - I wonder if any of them yet make the connection to open borders policy. It will be interesting to track their perceptions.

So I wonder how Israel would react to a political schism in World Jewry, where a large number of them reject the open borders meddling of Israel because it is harming their out-of-Israel lives.

This divide and conquer for Greater Israel/ potential divide and fall for Israel, brings me on to your reason 2.

I found the paper, A Strategy For Israel In The Nineteen Eighties by Oded Yinon you referred to. It is a very cynical piece of work. Thank you for the steer. It brings to mind George Galloway ardently calling for unity in Iraq when they were facing the coming invasion in 2003. That makes perfect sense now.

Could you also kindly steer me to any article or source you value about the relevant Jewish eschatology (ha! I initially mistyped "eschatolgoy").

In terms of this thread, more widely, I really tend to predict that the ultimate "target" of a project that is based on a lie, is an own goal. Self destruction is inescapable unless the lie is abandoned and various, genuine compensations are made. I think what we are seeing is a genuine crumbling of the lie and it is making the liars less and less secure.

For example, people question Nick Fuentes and his motivations in his declared indifference and skepticism to the Holocaust, suspecting him to be controlled opposition. Let's assume him to be controlled opposition, or even an Israeli stooge who is slated to one day "come to the light", recanting his antisemitism. It is a very desperate strategy to make "limited hangouts" into "very large hangouts" in this way. It smacks of a rearguard action, at best. I am hearing declarations of Holocaust skepticism everywhere now, and limp shock jocks like Morgan can't help themselves in reacting with their desperate and transparently vain rebuttals. It feels like a meaningful change to me, but I am relatively new to this.

Here is the above linked Malik, explaining why a diaspora might want to remain disaporic. Food for thought, these people actually left a homeland they already had and now are gaining others. For the Jews, it did not turn out to be Madagascar, it turned out to be Israel and it has, likewise, solved nothing for the European nations. Would be nice if the Jewish diaspora did, indeed, see the harm that Israel / globalist, "liberal" politicking is doing to the way of life they value here. That's an awakening I want to see next.