The Dec 1942 Declaration

[Eye of Zyclone]

Intelligence groups did not only say that the corpse-factory allegation was probable.

Where? Just quote this for me, nothing else.

They did more than saying that the corpse-factory allegation was probable. They outright admitted to having concocted it and planted it in newspapers for propaganda purposes. Much bigger. Stop playing it dumb and stop ignoring the parts of my comments proving you wrong.

[bombsaway]

Intelligence groups did not only say that the corpse-factory allegation was probable.

Where? Just quote this for me, nothing else.

They did more than saying that the corpse-factory allegation was probable. They outright admitted to having concocted it and planted it in newspapers for propaganda purposes. Much bigger. Stop playing it dumb and stop ignoring the parts of my comments proving you wrong.

This is the opposite of believing the rumors were credible, which is what I'm saying about what British and Americans internal communications were saying about the "massacres" in Poland. From the book Archie used to try to "prove" the Jews forced the allies into making the declaration

On 14 December 1942 Eden told the War Cabinet "that, while there was no direct confirmation of these reports so far as concerned the methods used, there were indications that large-scale massacres of Jews were taking place in Poland. It was known that Jews were being transferred to Poland from enemy-occupied countries, for example, Norway; and it might well be that these transfers were being made with a view to wholesale extermination of Jews."

On this basis the War Cabinet approved the terms of the proposed declaration.!4°

https://reader.z-library.sk/read/3bcaef ... 0%2Fccd950 pg 172

[Eye of Zyclone]

Where? Just quote this for me, nothing else.

They did more than saying that the corpse-factory allegation was probable. They outright admitted to having concocted it and planted it in newspapers for propaganda purposes. Much bigger. Stop playing it dumb and stop ignoring the parts of my comments proving you wrong.

This is the opposite of believing the rumors were credible, which is what I'm saying about what British and Americans internal communications were saying about the "massacres" in Poland. From the book Archie used to try to "prove" the Jews forced the allies into making the declaration

On 14 December 1942 Eden told the War Cabinet "that, while there was no direct confirmation of these reports so far as concerned the methods used, there were indications that large-scale massacres of Jews were taking place in Poland. It was known that Jews were being transferred to Poland from enemy-occupied countries, for example, Norway; and it might well be that these transfers were being made with a view to wholesale extermination of Jews."

On this basis the War Cabinet approved the terms of the proposed declaration.!4°

https://reader.z-library.sk/read/3bcaef ... 0%2Fccd950 pg 172

The December 1942 Declaration was not a statement that there MIGHT have been a large-scale massacre of Jews in Poland and that those transfers of Jews to Poland MIGHT have been made with a view to a wholesale extermination of Jews. The December 1942 Joint Declaration by the Allies and their vassal puppets stated that numerous deported Jews HAD BEEN "deliberately massacred in mass executions" as part of a policy of exterminating Jews. Postulating that a strong Jewish lobbying on Allied governments (in December 1942, Robert Borden Reams complained about that lobbying by the founder of American Zionism himself, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise) greatly helped to turn the "might be" into a "was," is not far-fetched. Would not have been the first time, nor the last time. Israel's mendacious intelligence played no small part in the case of Saddam Hussein's nonexistent weapons of mass destruction and the subsequent Anglo-American invasion of Iraq. Colin Powell and the Anglo-American intelligence services didn't really believe that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and was involved in 9/11. They just pretended to believe it so they could fool people and start a war of aggression in defense of Israel's national interests.

[Archie]

Where? Just quote this for me, nothing else.

They did more than saying that the corpse-factory allegation was probable. They outright admitted to having concocted it and planted it in newspapers for propaganda purposes. Much bigger. Stop playing it dumb and stop ignoring the parts of my comments proving you wrong.

This is the opposite of believing the rumors were credible, which is what I'm saying about what British and Americans internal communications were saying about the "massacres" in Poland. From the book Archie used to try to "prove" the Jews forced the allies into making the declaration

On 14 December 1942 Eden told the War Cabinet "that, while there was no direct confirmation of these reports so far as concerned the methods used, there were indications that large-scale massacres of Jews were taking place in Poland. It was known that Jews were being transferred to Poland from enemy-occupied countries, for example, Norway; and it might well be that these transfers were being made with a view to wholesale extermination of Jews."

On this basis the War Cabinet approved the terms of the proposed declaration.!4°

https://reader.z-library.sk/read/3bcaef ... 0%2Fccd950 pg 172

It shows that you haven't actually read the literature you are attempting to comment on.

You are looking at everything with Holocaust goggles. You are looking at vague statements (even where it's admitted there's no confirmation) and are interpreting these statements as people being convinced of "the Holocaust" while ignoring all the contrary evidence and context.

William Shirer signed a petition in Dec 1942 protesting the "extermination" of the Jews (based on the Allied declaration), yet later he would claim that he didn't know about the Holocaust until Nuremberg and that it hit him like a "thunderclap" when he found out. The atrocity stories were generally heavily discounted up until the concentration camp "liberations" and Nuremberg. Thus we get mainstream historians like David Wyman remarking that in even in 1945 “apparently, the American correspondents were unaware of or disbelieved earlier reports of Auschwitz, including the much publicized one released by the WRB the preceding November.”

[Archie]

The idea that "intelligence" groups didn't know the details of the massacre is hilarious. I mean, there was a massacre, but we don't know where or how, only that there's a corpse factory in Poland.

That's the same as saying UFO cases happen on Earth, but we don't know who they are or where they came from; in other words, they only exist in my eyeball.

Excellent point. At it applies especially well to Auschwitz which was of interest militarily (because of its industrial importance). It would also not be possible to completely seal off these camps from the outside. Auschwitz had numerous civilian contractors and the entire camp was infiltrated with the Polish underground.

[Eye of Zyclone]

William Shirer signed a petition in Dec 1942 protesting the "extermination" of the Jews (based on the Allied declaration), yet later he would claim that he didn't know about the Holocaust until Nuremberg and that it hit him like a "thunderclap" when he found out. The atrocity stories were generally heavily discounted up until the concentration camp "liberations" and Nuremberg.

True. Shirer said that he found out about the Holocaust when he heard the testimony of "a very weak and confused (i.e. unreliable) witness" like Rudolf Höss at the Nuremberg show trial and saw horror pictures of typhus victims misrepresented as mass murder victims.

[bombsaway]

It shows that you haven't actually read the literature you are attempting to comment on.

You are looking at everything with Holocaust goggles. You are looking at vague statements (even where it's admitted there's no confirmation) and are interpreting these statements as people being convinced of "the Holocaust" while ignoring all the contrary evidence and context.

William Shirer signed a petition in Dec 1942 protesting the "extermination" of the Jews (based on the Allied declaration), yet later he would claim that he didn't know about the Holocaust until Nuremberg and that it hit him like a "thunderclap" when he found out. The atrocity stories were generally heavily discounted up until the concentration camp "liberations" and Nuremberg. Thus we get mainstream historians like David Wyman remarking that in even in 1945 “apparently, the American correspondents were unaware of or disbelieved earlier reports of Auschwitz, including the much publicized one released by the WRB the preceding November.”

I said they believed massacres were happening and that gave a probabilistic basis to supporting the December statement


F.K. Roberts of the Foreign Office considered on 27 November that there was still ‘no actual proof of these atrocities’, but he added, ‘their probability is sufficiently great to justify action’.

Why was their probability sufficiently great? Because of things like this

On September 12, 1941, the MI-6 staff declared in a note: "The fact that the Police are killing all Jews that fall into their hands should by now be sufficiently well appreciated."

in response to radio messages they were receiving

“By late October, the American embassy expected that all Jews in Germany would be deported within a few months, and in mid-November, it added that able-bodied Jews were being sent from Germany to Russia for forced labor.6 Meanwhile, the American military attaché in Berlin reported separately at around the same time that there was no question that SS units were killing Jews in many occupied localities in Russia. The normal procedure for the Nazis upon taking over a city, he said, was to establish local commandos, to separate the Jews, and to shoot them.”

The military attaché was Colonel William D. Hohenthal.

Official Secrets
Richard Breitman

So there's a basic logic to this, which is that non-working Jews in Russia are being mass killed, therefore non-working Jews deported to Russia would likely be mass killed as well.

Where do you have internal government coms saying that the probability of corpse factories is "sufficiently great"?

[Eye of Zyclone]

Where do you have internal government coms saying that the probability of corpse factories is "sufficiently great"?

The Allied intelligence services of WW1 didn't need to assess the probability of corpse factories because THEY had made up that atrocity story. They were not being fed with bogus reports concocted and passed on by some Zionist propagandists who were out for statehood as the Allied intelligence services of WW2 were. In other words, the British intelligence services were the authors of the corpse-factory lie (WW1) and Zionist activists were the authors of the Holocaust lie (WW2).

And for info, the Germans had such factories during WW1, but only the carcasses of dead horses were processed there. The story was a big propaganda lie, but the facilities were very real.

[bombsaway]

Where do you have internal government coms saying that the probability of corpse factories is "sufficiently great"?

The Allied intelligence services of WW1 didn't need to assess the probability of corpse factories because THEY had made up that atrocity story. They were not being fed with bogus reports concocted and passed on by some Zionist propagandists who were out for statehood as the Allied intelligence services of WW2 were. In other words, the British intelligence services were the authors of the corpse-factory lie (WW1) and Zionist activists were the authors of the Holocaust lie (WW2).

And for info, the Germans had such factories during WW1, but only the carcasses of dead horses were processed there. The story was a big propaganda lie, but the facilities were very real.

Well the Polish Home Army as well https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=20828#p20828

But I guess they were Jewish too.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Where do you have internal government coms saying that the probability of corpse factories is "sufficiently great"?

The Allied intelligence services of WW1 didn't need to assess the probability of corpse factories because THEY had made up that atrocity story. They were not being fed with bogus reports concocted and passed on by some Zionist propagandists who were out for statehood as the Allied intelligence services of WW2 were. In other words, the British intelligence services were the authors of the corpse-factory lie (WW1) and Zionist activists were the authors of the Holocaust lie (WW2).

And for info, the Germans had such factories during WW1, but only the carcasses of dead horses were processed there. The story was a big propaganda lie, but the facilities were very real.

Well the Polish Home Army as well https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=20828#p20828

But I guess they were Jewish too.

No, they were citizens of a new & weak country entirely occupied by 2 powerful neighbors, trying to ingratiate themselves with the influential Zionist-led Jews of America and Britain in order to get Anglo-American assistance for the liberation of their country. Providing Jews with food for their noisy campaign of atrocity propaganda was of course a very good way to achieve that. Basic political strategy. Not rocket science.

[bombsaway]

You say rocket science, I say speculation. Possibility + motive are not evidence of something. These things exist for Holocaust as well btw, yet orthodoxy doesn't have to rely on speculation of this kind.