Split: Evidence relating to TII (Treblinka)

[Keen]

Nessie,

Did CSC discover archaeological evidence that proves the existence of the "huge mass grave" that she labeled F16 - Yes. - or - No. - ??

it is not a "huge mass grave" as you described it. So the answer is no.

Can you show us the physical evidence that proves that F16 actually exists and actually contains the remains of at least two people - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Can F16 be accurately described as a grave - Yes. - or - No. - ??

[Keen]

Nessie:

The Nazis were not trying to magically disappear the corpses and the graves.

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps.

Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

I can point to them in the ground.

Nessie,

How many actual mass graves can you "point to in the ground" at Treblinka II that have actually been proven to actually exist and to actually contain the remains of at least 7 people?

actually

something that is really true

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Nessie:

A mass grave is defined as a grave containing multiple human corpses, or the remains of multiple people.

How many actual mass graves did CSC actually prove actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

An acceptable answer will be one of the following:

0., 1., 2., 3., 4., 5., 6., 7., 8., 9., 10., 11., 12., 13., 14., 15., or More than 15.

Nessie's answer:

G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54.

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Nessie,

If an actual mass grave has actually been proven to exist - would it contain actual proven human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

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Nessie:

Geophysics scientifically and conclusively proves that there are pits, G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54 and that they exist. But it does not prove that those pits contain human remains.

Keen:

Let's see the proof... Let's start with G36... Let's see the proof that Geophysics scientifically and conclusively proved that G36 is a filled in pit.

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; CSC labled G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54 as "Probable pits identified through geophysical survey." - ??

Nessie:

No response - it ran away like a little girl screaming and pretending that it was being "bullied" as its excuse for dodging the challenge.

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Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, septic pits, etc. - were dug at Treblinka II - ??

Nessie's answer:

True

Did CSC conclusively prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 are not actually garbage pits?

No response - it ran away like a little girl screaming and pretending that it was being "bullied" as its excuse for dodging the question.

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Nessie,

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The United States holocaust memorial museum alleges that 925,000 jews were murdered at Treblinka II- ??

What is 925,000 divided by 12?

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; CSC labled G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54 as "Probable burial / cremation pits" - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

When you allege that CSC actually proved that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - what standard of proof are you referring to?

When you allege that CSC actually proved that G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 are actual mass graves - what standard of proof are you referring to?

How many mass graves alleged by so-called "eyewitnesses" have been conclusively proven to exist within the boundary of Treblinka II?

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; CSC labled F1, F9 and F16 as "Possible grave sites" - ??

Can you show us any physical evidence that proves that F1, F9 and F16 actually exist and actually contain the remains of at least two people - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Can you show us any photographic evidence that proves that F1, F9 or F16 actually exist - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that F1, F9 and F16 currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Can F1, F9 and F16 accurately be described as actual mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Can F1, F9 and F16 accurately be described as actual graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

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Nessie,

Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

An acceptable answer will be one of the following:

CSC F1 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #1/86

CSC F9 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #2/87

CSC F16 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #3/88

CSC G1 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #4/89

CSC G4 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #5/90

CSC G29 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #6/91

CSC G32 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #7/92

CSC G36 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #8/93

CSC G38 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #9/94

CSC G44 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #10/95

CSC G50 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #11/96

CSC G51 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #12/97

CSC G52 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #13/98

CSC G53 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #14/99

CSC G54 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #15/100

Nessie's answer:

I don't know.

It claims that it doens't know?



Well then, let's help poor Nesserto out here:

Nessie,

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least one single, disconnected human tooth: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least one pound of cremated human remains: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 22 human beings: _?_.

Now let's watch Roberto dodge all the while whining like a little girl pretending that it is being "bullied" as its excuse for not adhering to the forum rules on dodging.

Why is "Nessie" so afraid to debate on a debate forum?

[Keen]

bombsaway:

The Colls study says there is additional grave area under the forested area.

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=21165#p21165

Are you talking about "huge mass grave" F16?



bombsaway, did you know that CSC alleges that 800,00 to 1 million jews were killed at Treblinka II?

https://app.amanote.com/v4.5.13/researc ... vf0BhiDfsA

If you believe that that is true, could you tell us what you think happened to all the dead jews?

bombsaway:

Krege's one Lidar screenshot (which I could only find in low res) apparently shows massive ground disturbance.

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=21165#p21165

Is this the "massive ground disturbance" you are talking about?



Remember bombsaway:

Nesserto:

Geophysics scientifically and conclusively proves that there are pits, G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54 and that they exist. But it does not prove that those pits contain human remains.

And don't forget:

Nesserto, is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, septic pits, etc. - were dug at Treblinka II - ??

Nesserto's answer:

True

bombsaway,

Did CSC conclusively prove that the 12 alleged "filled in pits" that she lables G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53 and G54 and refers to them as "possible grave sites" and "probable burial / cremation pits" are from non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, septic pits, etc., or from post war diggings, like the one in 1945 where, with so-called "eyewitnesses" as their guides, the investigators, amitted that "no mass graves were found"?

bombsaway,

Could you tell us how much ground disturbance was caused by the investigations of Treblinka II?

bombsaway,

Did the building of the Treblinka II monument require the use of heavy equipment, like bulldozers, cranes, backhoes, etc.?

bombsaway,

Could the building of the Treblinka II monument have caused any ground disturbance in the surrounding area?

bombsaway,

Is there any evidence that bombs or explosives of some kind caused ground disturbance within the boundary of Treblinka II?

bombsaway,

Could you tell us how much human remains have been proven to exist in the shallow pits that CSC labeled as F1, F9 and F16 which she referrs to as "possible grave sites"?

bombsaway,

There is a $100.00 reward being offered to anyone who can prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts, that the remains of - at least 2 people - currently exist in any of Treblinka II's 15 "huge mass graves." ($1,500 in total - http://thisisaboutscience.com/ ) Would you tell us how much of that reward money has been earned?

[Stubble]

Krege used GPR, not lidar. I'd say CSC in her thesis and during the excavation largely confirmed Krege.

They found a sharks tooth indicating the ground had not been disturbed in that section in millenia. They found some ground disturbances, but, they amount to a thimble for the claim. In an effort to recoup some of the lost face she went and dug up remains in a Christian cemetery nearby and said that maybe there was grave space outside the established extermination area which is contrary to the witnesses and compounds the already problematic supposed Aktion 1005 there.

[Keen]

Krege used GPR, not lidar. I'd say CSC in her thesis and during the excavation largely confirmed Krege.

They found a sharks tooth indicating the ground had not been disturbed in that section in millenia. They found some ground disturbances, but, they amount to a thimble for the claim. In an effort to recoup some of the lost face she went and dug up remains in a Christian cemetery nearby and said that maybe there was grave space outside the established extermination area which is contrary to the witnesses and compounds the already problematic supposed Aktion 1005 there.

The lying pig also claimed that she couldn't get this GPR unit:



through the woods to use it on F1, F9 and F15.

It was not possible to apply geophysical techniques in these areas, given the obstructions caused by vegetation

[url]file:///D:/SturdyColls12PhD.pdf[/url]

I have dragged numerous deer and elk out of the mountains and know what a monsterous lie she is telling.

She lies as often and as shamelessly as Nessie / roberta.

Edited to add:

Look at some of the photos in her thesis and you can see for yourself what a liar she is.

[Keen]

CSC:

Without intrusive activity it is not possible to conclusively determine the nature of these pits.

[url]file:///D:/SturdyColls12PhD.pdf[/url]

[Keen]

The lying pig could have gotten that machine between the memorial stones.



Krege did - and he found nothing.

[Stubble]

If I may, a caveat, Krege found 'mostly nothing'. For the purposes of the claim, it can be fairly categorized as nothing, but, it wasn't literally nothing.

I'm very interested in his tree rings from the old growth forests nearby. If I recall, he found no indications of any large scale fire events in the mid 1940's according to the tree rings, which calls the 'Aktion 1005 Corpse Volcanoes' into question, if ever so slightly.

This is of course easily testable, non invasive and quick. I invite any group interested in supporting the orthodox thesis to, simply go check. You know, show me the tree ring evidence for the one year plus corpse volcano of Treblinka II.

(To be very clear, CSC also found, almost nothing. She also inadvertently confirmed much of the camp site was composed of earth that hadn't been disturbed in millennia, as Krege said, when her team excavated a shark's tooth.)

[Keen]

If I may, a caveat, Krege found 'mostly nothing'. For the purposes of the claim, it can be fairly categorized as nothing, but, it wasn't literally nothing.

(To be very clear, CSC also found, almost nothing. She also inadvertently confirmed much of the camp site was composed of earth that hadn't been disturbed in millennia, as Krege said, when her team excavated a shark's tooth.)

Yes, to be very clear, she did find this "huge mass grave" (F16) which contained the remains of tens of thousands of magical liquid jews that later, magically disappeared, and then later still, magically transformed again into trash and rocks: