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Literally stumbling stones and here is how the authors introduce that themselves.
https://www.stolpersteine.eu/en/the-art ... lpersteine
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Across Europe, people remember the victims of National Socialism at various locations. A part of this European culture of remembrance is filled by the so-called STOLPERSTEINE.

These memorial stones are 96 x 96 x 100 mm brass plates, cast in a concrete block, installed in front of the homes where the victims of National Socialism last lived voluntarily. They commemorate the persecuted and murdered individuals with the introductory words
here lived
, remembering the persecuted and murdered people from all population groups.

The initiator of the gold-glinting STOLPERSTEINE is the artist Gunter Demnig, who conceived the idea for STOLPERSTEINE in 1992/93. A thirteen-member team around the artist now ensures that each fate is well researched and each stone is placed with dignity.

Given the numerous victims of National Socialism, we are aware that our art memorial will always carry a symbolic character. We place great value on ensuring that each person receives appropriate honor. For this reason, our STOLPERSTEINE are handcrafted by a total of 6 designers. We aim to argue against the mass extermination by the National Socialists by restoring to the tormented people their name, their face, and a place in the heart of society.

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The STOLPERSTEINE represent an art project that was, from the very beginning, designed to provide a lasting and continuous remembrance and continues to do so. The project was intended to be carried out over several years, allowing future generations to engage in the process of remembrance. Through the extended period of laying the stones in various locations, the project enables close cooperation between survivors and relatives on one side, and historical societies, foundations, homeowners, residents, municipalities, as well as students on the other. Together, they all dedicate themselves to the memory of the victims of National Socialism. Due to these many different social interactions, the art memorial STOLPERSTEINE becomes a so-called SOCIAL SCULPTURE.

Our STOLPERSTEINE have so far been laid in Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Finland, France, Greece, Great Britain, Ireland, Italy, Croatia, Latvia, Lithuania, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, the Republic of Moldova, Romania, Russia, Sweden, Switzerland, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, the Czech Republic, Ukraine, and Hungary.

As of August 2024, the project has grown to over 107,000 stones laid in almost 1900 municipalities.
Leaving the purposefulness, aesthetics and taste aside, I looked at some examples. Now some of them will claim that a person, e.g. Jew, lived nearby and was 'murdered in X'. I did not cast into doubt that the person was living nearby. I presume virtually all did. But what I casted into doubt was the claim on how or when they died. And indeed, digging further that a person was gassed or murdered in Auschwitz comes without real evidence for that assertion. What is given is usually a deportation notice and perhaps documents relating to the detention facility. But evidence for the person being intentionally killed or even gassed seems to be absent in virtually all the cases. Not really surprizing to us. And also really that novel to defraud people via the trick of a package deal of, if deported to Auschwitz than that person was gassed or murdered there. Unless it is somehow famous for having lived after WW2.
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Memorials are a central part of constant repetition to establish common knowledge which precludes the need for evidence.
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Booze wrote: Sun Feb 01, 2026 9:03 pm Memorials are a central part of constant repetition to establish common knowledge which precludes the need for evidence.
Indeed. and with the Stumbling-stone method they found a method that provides omnipresence at a relatively affordable rate. My guess that this is less then 1000 Euro total cost per "Stolperstein". Now the initiators claim that the total cost is 120 Euros per "Stolperstein" in Germany... but while that probably covers the cost for producing and installing the gambit, the total cost probably far more... Since there is an administration behind this. Still less than have a large monument somewhere. The low budget makes it however easier to push through in municipal meetings. And Germans are reluctant to oppose that type of nonsense. And indeed, it is nonsense. But what makes those figures so special? That the NS-government did take note of them? That it is alleged that they were "murdered" as is often claimed on those stumbling stones. Those monuments are rather nasty as well. Because they are on public pathways so that people will step on them. They are like little gravestones (even if one doesn't buy the Holocaust narrative, save to assume that somebody that was born before 1920 is likely dead by now). In common piety it is however disrespectful to step on graves or tombstones.

So it isn't really the purpose to 'honour the dead' with those stumbling stones... The real purpose is to keep memory of the Holocaust Narrative alive especially with Germans, but also with other European nationalities. Because otherwise ethnonationalist sentiments could be revived and those nationalities could start engaging more against their displacement.

Besides that the Holocaust Narrative is also directed against Christianity, since "Auschwitz is the refutation of Christ".
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Where does the quote "Auschwitz is the refutation of Christ" come from?
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Booze wrote: Mon Feb 02, 2026 4:38 pm Where does the quote "Auschwitz is the refutation of Christ" come from?
It's attributed to Claude Lanzmann
The quote "Auschwitz is the refutation of Christ"is most commonly attributed to Claude Lanzmann, the French filmmaker best known for his 1985 documentary Shoah.
Lanzmann reportedly made this statement in a 1993 interview published in the French journal Les Temps Modernes (December 1993 issue, pp. 132–133), where he elaborated on the theological implications of the Holocaust for Christianity. In context, he argued something along these lines:

If Auschwitz represents a level of human suffering beyond anything comparable to Christ's crucifixion (more extreme, inexpressible, and undescribable than biblical accounts like the Apocalypse), then Christ's suffering and redemptive role are relativized or invalidated.
Thus, "Auschwitz is the refutation of Christ," meaning the event challenges or undermines the central Christian claim of Christ's unique salvific suffering.
I haven't checked in deeply so far, but there are plenty of similar statements, mostly not as explicit as this one, by other figures related to Holocaust promotion.
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If heard some remarks that seem to be along these lines such as "Jesus was just one Jew".
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There are various tropes and variations to them as well. But it's obvious that the Holocaust functions as some replacement religion, especially for post-christian countries.
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