Suggestion: AI posts should be quarantined from the rest of the forum

[pilgrimofdark]

These are things I've run into with AI chatbots in the few months I've tried a few of them.

• Ask for a list of books/journal articles on a topic. One-third of its recommendations are hallucinated.
• Ask for the date a photo was first published. It gives me a date 12 years later than an earlier date I find with a little more research on my own.
• Ask it for some links where I can find a resource. Of the 5 links it gives me, all give 404 errors to pages that the Wayback Machine has never archived.

It hallucinates citations. It hallucinates quotes. It paraphrases works with the exact opposite of what those works say. It hallucinates links.

In terms of historical research, I've decided that AI is basically an industrial document-forging tool, although its intent can't be termed malicious.

The quote in this article regarding AI usage seems appropriate:

It commonly asks me questions, adopts my own wording, and gives it back to me. This makes it seem more agreeable and complementary. It’s excellent for augmented intelligence. As it adapts to your patterns, it is more able to anticipate your needs. But it makes NPCs feel smart. Not because they are. Because it’s a mirror on every level.

Because of this mirroring effect, AI is a machine for confirmation bias, and it "learns" how to confirm your biases with more and more fakery.

If someone posts AI output without sharing the input and the full series of prompts, we're probably just reading the most bias-confirming output. Then anyone motivated has to go check all the quotes and citations for forgery.

AI can be a useful tool, but arguing second-hand with a random output is a waste of time.

[HansHill]

My layman's understanding of how an LLM works is that it generates text by mathematically "predicting" what its next word should be, based on the training algorithms and data it is allowed to analyze.

This is why they are called Large Language Models and not for example, Large Intelligence Models. So in a language like English where sentence structures can be readily modeled, it rarely gets things like grammar or punctuation wrong, whereas it will absolutely get dates, figures, arguments or details wrong. It is not reasoning in any meaningful way.

There is also another non-technical aspect to this, that is the business aspect, where we know that for commercial, economic, political or societal reasons, an LLM can be manipulated or throttled at a whim. It was relatively recently where ChatGPT was upgraded to a newer model and it had its "yas queen, you go girl" mannerisms throttled, and Reddit went into a tailspin because certain people were using ChatGPT as a friend simulator.

[Wetzelrad]

I am posting again to renew interest in this suggestion. Or at least in the AI problem generally. I won't say that no AI post has value, but in recent days I am seeing AI posts of no value.

This undeclared AI post from ResearcherGuy in which he/it makes declarative statements on a matter he/it has already proven hisself/itself ignorant on is typical for AI output. AI cannot be relied upon to confess its own limits.

This AI post from Nazgul is undeclared and simply off topic. Bombsaway asks a question about document interpretation regarding "resettlement" and Nazgul goes off about hazardous chemicals.

[Nazgul]

This AI post from Nazgul is undeclared and simply off topic. Bombsaway asks a question about document interpretation regarding "resettlement" and Nazgul goes off about hazardous chemicals.

Regarding the relevance of 'hazardous chemicals' to Fplo 587:

The scheduling order for Fplo 587 shows a specific stop at Skarżysko-Kamienna. This was the site of the HASAG (Hugo Schneider AG) munitions plants, specifically Werk C.

The 'resettlement' transports stopped here because this facility required a constant turnover of labour due to the lethality of the production process. Prisoners were forced to handle picric acid (used in filling underwater mines and grenades) without protection. Handling TNT is also poisonous. This caused systemic picric acid/TNT poisoning, turning the skin and hair bright yellow—a condition documented by survivors like Elie Cohen (who moved through this exact network) and in the archives of the International Tracing Service (ITS).

The connection is direct:

Fplo 587 provides the transport window (the 'how').

HASAG Werk C records provide the destination (the 'where').

Chemical poisoning logistics explain the high mortality and constant need for the replacement labor seen in these scheduling orders (the 'why').

This isn't 'off-topic'—it is the material reality of the transport's purpose. Discussing the 'resettlement' label without acknowledging the industrial chemical sites they were being delivered to is an incomplete reading of the primary data

[Stubble]

The slop is getting out of hand. I understand that it is quick to just poop out 1,200 words of AI garbage, I don't want to have to go clean it up off the side of the road.

The amount of baseless, unfounded shit, stated as fact, from an AI generated echo chamber is virtually impossible to deal with.

[bombsaway]

seems like Nazgul is trolling us all tbh. On non scientific matters, I'm ok with AI if you read carefully and are able to understand and approve of the post and reasoning.

[Archie]

I added some bullet points to the forum rules related to sourcing in general and have included the AI rules there. The new points will be temporarily highlighted in green.

[pilgrimofdark]

seems like Nazgul is trolling us all tbh. On non scientific matters, I'm ok with AI if you read carefully and are able to understand and approve of the post and reasoning.

I thought this originally, too, but the posts were so sincere and there were so many. You might be correct, though, following Poe's law.

My new theory on AI is that being exposed to secondhand AI output without seeing the original prompt triggers an "Uncanny Valley of Human Prose" response, triggering a fight-or-flight reaction.

User: *prompt*
AI: "here's 800 declaratory conclusory uncited pseudo-intellectual pompous words confirming why you're correct and everyone else has been wrong for all of human history" + *bizarre hallucination*
User: *posts only LLM output on forum* -- "here's the conclusion of why I'm correct and you're all wrong."
Everyone else:

It's like a backdoor appeal to authority, where AI is presumptively authoritative.

If it's in quotes, and someone says "here's what I wrote, here's the LLM output," that doesn't trigger the same annoyance.

Looks like this is already being researched in limited studies.

Collectively, the two experiments confirm that uncanny valley responses are not confined to physical robots but persist in text-based dialogue and AI-synthesized images.

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The era of AI bullet point lists is over. Seems we're now in the era of AI non sequitor emotional metaphors starting off paragraphs.

These aren't very good parodies, first attempt.

The "Garden Tool" Fixation Model. This is where the "garden tool" versus "extermination center" debate butts up against physical reality.

Stalin's "Reign in Blood," Hitler's "St. Anger". Widely regarded as a classic, Stalin's "Reign in Blood" of the Extraordinary State Commission contrasts sharply with Hitler's "St. Anger" of the Aktion Reinhardt, named after the Reinhardt mountain range in Italy which was discovered in 1993.

The Wannsee "Flight of the Bumblebee" Paradigm. As mentioned earlier, the "Final Solution" was implemented faster than Rimsky-Korsakov's famous composition. Jews and homosexuals simply had no time to react. If you'd like to explore human reaction times of around 250ms and below, just let me know.

The "Disney Princess" Inventory. Unlike a true shoe factory, the "first class concentration camp" at Majdanek held over 800,000 shoes at the time of liberation. None were in condition to be used as red ruby slippers in the planned 1953 remake of Goldilocks and the Three Bears in Soviet Estonia. This adds credence to Hilberg's assertion that, "War time, all Jews belong camp die finish. By an' by 1944, Myd'nek catchee free, no got Jews live." [references Pidgin version of Hilberg's book, insert non-working link]