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The world; 950,000 jews were buried at Treblinka II.

Keen; Where?

Some Guy; Your obsession is silly

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Me; for my entire life I've heard that 6,000,000 jews were murdered and strewn across half a continent. Then a fella asked me, 'Where though', and it hit me like a brick in the face.
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Stubble wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 10:21 pm Me; for my entire life I've heard that 6,000,000 jews were murdered and strewn across half a continent. Then a fella asked me, 'Where though', and it hit me like a brick in the face.
II will put this briefly and provide more detail in subsequent posts. Here is the position:

There is a distinction between murder and death by systematic neglect (intentional or otherwise), though for the victims and their families, the result is the same. Some are stuck on a Treblinka narrative when primary sources show many victims never arrived at such destinations in the first place. The broader picture is far more disturbing: it is a record of administrative and medical ‘culling’ grounded in the FPLO (Fahrplanordnung) documents.

These official railway schedules show extensive stops at Jewish labour camps. Some on journeys lasting days without water, prisoners suffered acute renal failure—a condition for which there was no cure. Human variability determines who survives such stress; some died quickly, the majority eventually succumbed, and a small fraction (about a quarter) survived. This was the specific fate of the Corfu Jews, which I will document in detail later.

Decrees from the Reich hierarchy—which I have already posted—ordered that food be diverted to the military. Inmates were often allowed only 80% of the nutrition required to maintain basic bodily functions. Eyewitness testimony confirms that in ghettos and camps, even these meager rations were stolen or bartered, leading to collapsed immune systems and typhus. In camps like Birkenau, these weakened individuals became Muselmänner—the terminally ill. In other camps, such as munitions factories, a total lack of health and safety resulted in terminal poisoning.

The 1939 Memorandum (the 'Euthanasia' decree) granted medical practitioners immunity from liability for the 'mercy killing' of the terminally ill. While programmes like T4 and 14f13 were technically rescinded or modified, the memorandum itself remained the legal foundation for doctors to terminate lives. This wasn't just for the 'unfit for work' or the mentally ill; it was applied to the Muselmänner suffering from typhus, cancer, and the results of systematic starvation. This protocol applied to anyone deemed terminally ill, but in the camp system, Jews became the primary victims of this downward spiral of administrative neglect.

The Corfu Jews as a Case Study:

Out of a transport of approximately 1,800 people, many died during a 9-day journey with no water and insufficient food. Medical science confirms that renal failure begins after three days without hydration; for many, this was the point of no return. Upon arrival at Birkenau, 1,200 people were dying; they could not walk, and their internal organs had shut down. Only 600 were fit enough for labour camps.

The medical officers faced a choice: how to handle 1,200 terminally ill people who would be dead within days. They could not simply shoot them on the ramp. Under the legal protection of the memorandum, the 'mercy killing' was administered by moving them to a closed facility (the morgue or gas chamber) and using a pesticide (Zyklon B) to hasten the end of their already failing systems. Under German law, this was permissible if approved by a doctor—who did not need to be present but merely had to sign the authorization. This was not 'desperation'; it was the clinical, administrative 'Special Treatment' of a population the state had already broken."

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Uh, source?
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Stubble wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 10:21 pm ...

Me; for my entire life I've heard that 6,000,000 jews were murdered and strewn across half a continent. Then a fella asked me, 'Where though', and it hit me like a brick in the face.
Your attitude and belief, is what makes you the epitome of a Holocaust denier. Either you have not bothered to read, or you have read but do not understand, or you just refuse to accept the archaeological finds at the AR camps and Chelmno prove huge mass graves were dug and there are the cremated remains of millions of Jews there.

It is clear that because you cannot work out how it is possible for so many to have been buried in those places, and that you cannot get your head round the evidence, you have decided to deny that evidence and those camps functioning as death camps. An equivalent would be me refusing to believe, as I just cannot imagine, the British firebombed Dresden in 1945 and then coming up with excuses to deny the evidence those air raids took place.

There is a ton of evidence of mass killings and graves all across eastern Europe. That is where the 5-6 million Jews killed were left to rest. Rather than evidence no such mass graves, by proving the alleged locations are in fact undisturbed ground containing no remains, or by proving 5-6 million Jews were still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944, you merely deny the evidence for the graves.
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Reading Nazgul's posts is quite entertaining if a little frustrating as well. He lectures us and uses what I assume are Ai or ready made over baked professorial and condescending approaches. The attitude is that he is right and we are definitely wrong and stupid for questioning.
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Nessie, where? Where is this cornucopia of evidence?

All I find is a dearth of it.
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Stubble wrote: Sat Feb 28, 2026 1:04 pm Nessie, where? Where is this cornucopia of evidence?

All I find is a dearth of it.
This is where I find the lists of evidence that have been produced to be useful. For example;

Documentary, eyewitness, forensic and circumstantial evidence of the gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau here;

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ce-on.html

Links to the archaeological surveys at the AR camps and Chelmno here;

viewtopic.php?t=489

Documents pertaining to the use of gas vans here;

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... tml#_doc19

Documents generated by the Einsatzgruppen about mass shootings here;

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... eport.html

You have got to try very hard to pretend that is not a lot of evidence, most of which comes from Nazi sources. For you to pretend there is a "dearth" requires you to deny a ton of evidence.
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God dammit messy, you are not listening to me, I'm asking for evidence. Where are the holes, how many gravesites have been investigated and how many people are we talking.

Regarding the same crap you always trot out, I've seen it, and we have been over it many times, and no amount of paper will ever be a mass grave.

For fuck's sake.
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Stubble wrote: Sat Feb 28, 2026 2:32 pm God dammit messy, you are not listening to me, I'm asking for evidence. Where are the holes, how many gravesites have been investigated and how many people are we talking.

Regarding the same crap you always trot out, I've seen it, and we have been over it many times, and no amount of paper will ever be a mass grave.

For fuck's sake.
We have indeed been over this before. How is an area of TII, identified in 1945, of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep, described as smelling of decay, where buried human and cremated remains had been unearthed by grave robbers, that matches the area of disturbed ground photographed from the air in 1944, that matches the area subjected to a geophysical survey that found 5 large pits in a row, that matches the section of the camp that the witnesses who worked there identified as the location of the main mass graves, not evidence to prove there were multiple mass graves and a large quantity of cremated remains buried there?

How is that not a large enough area for the Nazis to have buried c800,000 people in? The corpses were buried naked, decomposing as more corpses were piled on top. It is likely not all the c800,000 people killed at the camp were buried as corpses, as cremations potentially started later in 1942.

The reason why I have often used the 56 Olympic sized swimming pool comparison, is to show the size of the area where the main mass graves were located. I can easily picture that as enough space for so many to be buried in. That you cannot is not evidence to prove it did not happen.
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https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=578

Quick messy, kick her a few more times, I think that nag still has some life left in 'er.

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Stubble wrote: Sat Feb 28, 2026 3:04 pm https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=578

Quick messy, kick her a few more times, I think that nag still has some life left in 'er.

JFC
How is that area of the camp not large enough to have contained the multiple mass graves described by the witnesses, that witness estimations and documentary evidence proves that c800,000 people were buried there, either as whole corpses or cremated remains?
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Do you seriously just run a script like a ti86 or something and then generate the same output every time?

Seriously, you work like a fucking calculator and I have 70% certainty I could put in a prompt and predict your response verbatim and am 100% certain I could capture the essence.

You are a simple, simple creature.

If you want to talk about all the swimming pools again, just revisit that thread. If you find, literally anything new, post it here. Literally anything.

Just going in the circle over and over again is masturbation without the payoff.
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Stubble wrote: Sat Feb 28, 2026 3:17 pm Do you seriously just run a script like a ti86 or something and then generate the same output every time?

Seriously, you work like a fucking calculator and I have 70% certainty I could put in a prompt and predict your response verbatim and am 100% certain I could capture the essence.

You are a simple, simple creature.

If you want to talk about all the swimming pools again, just revisit that thread. If you find, literally anything new, post it here. Literally anything.

Just going in the circle over and over again is masturbation without the payoff.
You ask to be shown the evidence, you are shown the evidence, you deny the evidence.
You ask to be shown the evidence, you are shown the evidence, you deny the evidence.
You ask to be shown the evidence, you are shown the evidence, you deny the evidence.

What you dodge answering is, why your denial of the corroborating evidence from multiple eyewitnesses, archaeological surveys, photographs, documents and circumstantial evidence pertaining to the AR, reason to believe that c800,000 people were not killed, buried and cremated at TII?
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No messy,

I am shown the same non supportive tripe over and over again and told it is the evidence and I point out that it doesn't support the claim. Then you just trot it right back out and say I 'deny'.

You went from 56 Olympic swimming pools to 2.3. Now, you are back to 56 and don't even understand why.

Good lord.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck...
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Stubble wrote: Sat Feb 28, 2026 3:32 pm No messy,

I am shown the same non supportive tripe over and over again and told it is the evidence and I point out that it doesn't support the claim. Then you just trot it right back out and say I 'deny'.

You went from 56 Olympic swimming pools to 2.3. Now, you are back to 56 and don't even understand why.

Good lord.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck...
Please explain, how,

- the witnesses who worked inside TII who locate the main mass graves in an area of the camp
- that a 1944 aerial photograph shows as an area of disturbed ground
- that a 1945 survey described as an area of 2 hectares, up to 7m deep containing cremated and human remains
- that a 2011 geophysical survey locates 5 pits in a row
- that documentary evidence records at least 713k arriving at the camp, with no corresponding evidence they left

does not support the claim that is where c800,000 people were buried?

What you are doing is the equivalent of me arguing all the witness, photographic, physical and circumstantial evidence is not enough to prove the British fire bombed Dresden in 1945.
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