The Testimony and Statements of Konrad Morgan

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Archie, I think you're a fanatic as well, and this thread is a good illustration.

I brought this up because one poster highlighted Morgen as someone who denied "any gassings". Which is phenomenally incorrect. That's just descriptive. I'm not trying to make a case for the Holocaust per se, rather explore the dumbness of revisionism.

We're talking about "perpetrators" here, confessing to crimes. So the best comparison you make is to witch trials. Well did any accused witches deny, despite knowing that this would lead to high probability of death? How could a human being make such an irrational choice?
Archie wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:16 pm I think bombs would still believe in the Holocaust even if the witnesses were as ridiculous as they in fact are. And I don't even need to speculate about this or invoke hypotheticals.
If there was testimony of alleged extermination areas being used for something else this would present a genuine conundrum and the whole matter would need to be investigated much more deeply. Regarding evidence of resettlement, I've accepted it easily, such as in cases like Transnistria (where it happened under Romanian occupation).

It is indeed a hypothetical about whether I would accept evidence directly contradicting the Holocaust as legitimate, very hypothetical because there is none.
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bombsaway wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:50 pm Archie, I think you're a fanatic as well, and this thread is a good illustration.

I brought this up because one poster highlighted Morgen as someone who denied "any gassings". Which is phenomenally incorrect. That's just descriptive. I'm not trying to make a case for the Holocaust per se, rather explore the dumbness of revisionism.

We're talking about "perpetrators" here, confessing to crimes. So the best comparison you make is to witch trials. Well did any accused witches deny, despite knowing that this would lead to high probability of death? How could a human being make such an irrational choice?
Archie wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:16 pm I think bombs would still believe in the Holocaust even if the witnesses were as ridiculous as they in fact are. And I don't even need to speculate about this or invoke hypotheticals.
If there was testimony of alleged extermination areas being used for something else this would present a genuine conundrum and the whole matter would need to be investigated much more deeply. Regarding evidence of resettlement, I've accepted it easily, such as in cases like Transnistria (where it happened under Romanian occupation).

It is indeed a hypothetical about whether I would accept evidence directly contradicting the Holocaust as legitimate, very hypothetical because there is none.
Well, I have a lot of opinions about you which I generally keep to myself so as not to distract from the substance of the debates at hand. You in contrast seem to prefer to be personally invidious. In which case, I will say for the record that I think you are a dishonest hack, and I think you are far more invested in this than you claim to be. You are not objective at all, and your attempts to pretend like you are fall embarrassingly flat.

Can you name a revisionist whom you don't regard to be a "fanatic"? Your critiques would hold more weight if there were some variation in your assessments and they were precise and tailored rather than broad insults against revisionists in general. For instance, when I criticize anti-revisionists, I try to do it sparingly, and, if you'll notice, I don't hurl blanket insults. I have on rare occasions called Nessie dumb because I actually do think he is rather dumb. (I have demonstrated that he is dumb countless times). And I know it can be a little cruel to say that, but when he starts lecturing everyone else about logic etc., he's really just asking for it. I don't call Nick dumb. I have not called you dumb. I did not call ConfusedJew dumb (he actually seemed reasonably bright to me). ConfusedJew's problem was that he was lazy and uninformed and was a plagiarist and was not interested in sincere discussion. In my discussions with you I have found you to be extremely manipulative and disingenuous (way more than typical - I posted for several years at Skeptic forum and you have seriously been the worst in this regard which is saying a lot). My assessment of you is that you often make your own posts deliberately vague and unclear to avoid being countered (or so that you can retreat when countered - like you're doing in this thread where all of the sudden you don't want to defend Morgen). "That's not what I'm saying." Yeah, well, sometimes that's your fault. You also deliberately misconstrue and pretend not to understand the arguments of others.

Let's review the exchange you had with Warheitssucher which you are complaining about.

You said:
Give me a single transcript from a perpetrator who worked in so called extermination areas but claims to not have known people were being killed there.
Warheitssucher replied:
Here’s two who did refute the Allied holyH atrocity claims:
Konrad Morgen.
Richard Bauer.

One survived his testimony refuting ‘extermination of jews’ in Birkenau and Auschwitz 1 BECAUSE he was an SS judge investigating Camp criminality and corruption, so could NOT credibly be accused of complicity in the fake charge. He was coerced into giving some credence to the Allied war-propaganda but cleverly did so by inventing a fictitious claim of witnessing it at Monowitz.

The other was the the last commandant of Auschwitz and he denied the charges alleged at Auschwitz completely. But the Allies left no “transcript” of his rebuttal and ‘suicided’ him in his cell before his trial.
Okay. And then in your replies on Morgan you said: "Morgen gave extensive information on gassings at the Reinhardt camps."

Warheitssucher replied:
No he didn’t. Now you are blatantly lying. At his first appearance in court in Nuremburg he first denied any gassings. Then (curiously) on subsequent appearances he gave very little detail but narrated being aware of gassings at Auschwitz-Monowitz. Something that is not accepted as factual.
Now, I'm not quite sure what WS is saying here. It seems to me to factually incorrect. But the way to respond to this is to say that he did refer to gassings in his IMT testimony and then allow WS to concede the point or provide some explanation.

But you said:
Konrad Morgen denied ALL gassings? What are you smoking dude.

Post the testimony, and then I'll make it into a thread. I think it will illustrate the problem with you guys quite well. If you can't find the testimony - which is what I am expecting, I'll post what Morgen said. His consistent position was that the extermination program was real, and as a Nazi he was opposed and quite horrified by it and had tried to stop it.
First of all, he was replying to AR gassings specifically. His reply might have been mistaken, but why not just correct him specifically by saying "here's where he says this" and give him a chance to clarify? In your reply you jumped to "all gassings" which makes no sense. WS did not actually say that and his earlier post even alluded to Morgen's references to gassings at Monowitz: "He was coerced into giving some credence to the Allied war-propaganda but cleverly did so by inventing a fictitious claim of witnessing it at Monowitz."

I think WS was unclear (and seemingly mistaken on some points) with his sourcing and claims, but I also think you distorted what he was saying. And you did your usual thing of giving others homework while presenting nothing yourself.

And now Stubble has started the thread that you asked for and it seems you don't have much of anything to bring to the table.
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Stubble wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 7:45 pm For some reason this was docked from quote 2 in the OP. I saw Archie quote it and make a reference to me having quoted other parts which led me to check. Indeed the opening of the day when he took the stand was docked. My apologies.

Ah, it exceeded the word count. That's why it was docked. Maybe the OP should be chopped into 3 pieces for clarity.

The rest of his testimony (or rather the opening of the second day of testimony);
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The witness Morgen resumed the stand.]

HERR PELCKMANN: Witness, I have two pictures to show to you. This has nothing to do with your examination concerning the concentration camps.

[Turning to the President.] They are the same pictures, Your Lordship, which I showed to the witness Eizenberg yesterday. They have now received an exhibit number from me, Exhibit Number SS-2 and Exhibit Number SS-3. As I said yesterday, they are taken from the book, written in Polish, which the Prosecution submitted a few days ago, on Pages IX and XI.

[Turning to the witness]: What is the rank of this SS man, Witness?

MORGEN: That cannot be an SS man. He is not wearing an SS uniform. I never saw such a uniform. On the left arm, the man wears the insignia of the Police and the Police shoulder patch.

HERR PELCKMANN: That is enough, Witness. I shall show you the second photograph. Please answer the question just as briefly.

MORGEN: That is not an SS uniform either, but a fancy uniform.

HERR PELCKMANN: Thank you, Witness. Yesterday you had already begun the description of the so-called extermination camps and the system of the extermination camps, but I should like to go back to conditions in the concentration camps which are to be distinguished from the so-called extermination camps.

You had given a description of the outward impression given by these camps which was extraordinarily pleasing. In order not to give any false impression, will you please describe in general the negative observations which you made.

. MORGEN: I was asked whether from my impressions of the concentration camps I gained the idea that they were extermination

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camps. I had to say that I could not get this impression. I did not mean to say that the concentration camps were sanatoria) or a paradise for the prisoners. If they had been that, my investigations would have been senseless.

Through these investigations I gained insight into the extremely dark and dismal side of the concentration camps. The concentration camps were establishments which, to put it mildly, were bound to give rise to crimes as a result of the application of a false principle. When I say the principle was at fault, I mean the following: The prisoner was sent to the concentration camp through the Reich Security Main Office. A political agency decided about his freedom, and its decision was final. Thereby the prisoner was deprived of all legal rights. Once in the concentration camp, it was almost impossible to regain freedom, although at regular intervals the cases were reviewed. The procedure was so complicated that, aside from exceptional instances, the great majority could have no hope. The camp, the Reich Security Main Office, and the agency which had assigned the individual to the camp, had to agree to his release. Only if these three, agencies reached an agreement could a release be effected. Thereby, not only the reason for the arrest was taken into consideration, but through a monstrous order of SS Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl the production side was also important. If a prisoner was needed in the camp because he was a good man, even though all conditions for release existed, he could not be released.

The concentration camps were surrounded by a sphere of secrecy. The, prisoner was not allowed any free contact with the public.

MR. DODD: Mr. President, we do not have the first responsibility, of course, for this defense. But I have discussed with Mr. Elwyn Jones my objection, he has it in here, and he finds no fault with it. It seems to me that what we are hearing here is a lecture on the Prosecution's case, and I do not see how it in any sense can be said to be a defense of the SS.

THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Pelckmann, the Tribunal thinks that the latter part of the evidence does not have much bearing on the case of the SS. They think it would be better that you should get on with the case for the SS.

HERR PELCKMANN: The charge against the SS is essentially based on the assertion that the SS as a whole is responsible for the concentration camps.

I am endeavoring to explain to the Tribunal the concentration camp organization from the very beginning, including all those questions which have not yet been explained either by the Prosecution or the witnesses, in order to find out the absolute truth. And I believe that it is necessary for the Tribunal to know this truth in

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order to be able to judge whether the charge of the Prosecution that the SS as a whole is responsible for the atrocities and the mass exterminations in the concentration camps or in the extermination camps is justified. I assert ...

THE PRESIDENT: Kindly go on with your case, Dr. Pelckmann. Will you kindly go on and make it as short as you can upon these matters which seem to be rather remote.

HERR PELCKMANN: From all the testimony of witnesses which I submit here on this point, it will be shown that the concentration camp organization was an entity.

THE PRESIDENT: Go on with your case. You are to go on with your case, and not argue with me.

HERR PELCKMANN: Witness, what were the further negative observations which you made? Please be brief on this point as the Court wishes.

MORGEN: The prisoner could not contact the public freely, and so his observations were not made known to the public. By this isolation in the concentration camp he was practically under the sway of the camp. This meant that he had to fear that at any time crimes could be committed against him. I did not have the impression from these facts that their purpose was to produce a system of crimes; but, of necessity, individual crimes were bound to result from these conditions.

HERR PELCKMANN: Witness, the events and the atrocities and the mass exterminations in the concentration camps are precisely what was charged against the SS. Please describe how these crimes are to be classified in three categories, and what these crimes have to do with the total planning of the SS. According to your information, I distinguish between atrocities caused by conditions beyond control, atrocities caused by supreme orders, and atrocities caused by individual criminal acts.

MORGEN: To a great extent the horrible conditions at times prevailing in some concentration camps did not arise from deliberate planning, but developed from circumstances which in my opinion must be called force majeure, that is to say, evils for which the local camp leaders were not responsible. I am thinking of the outbreak of epidemics. At irregular intervals many concentration camps were visited by typhoid fever, typhus, and other sicknesses caused especially by the arrival of prisoners from the Eastern areas in the concentration camps. Although everything humanly possible was done to prevent these epidemics and to combat them, the death rate which resulted was extremely high. Another evil which may be considered as force majeure was the fluctuating numbers of new

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arrivals and the insufficient billets. Many camps were overcrowded. The prisoners arrived in a weakened condition because, due to air raids, the transports were under way longer than expected. Towards the end of the war, there was a general collapse of the transportation system. Supplies could not be carried Gut to the necessary extent; chemical and pharmaceutical factories had been systematically bombed, and all the necessary medicines we ' re lacking. To top all, the evacuations from the East further burdened the camps and crowded them in an unbearable manner.

HERR PELCKMA.NN: That is enough on this point. Will you go on to the second point, the supreme orders?

MORGEN: As supreme orders I consider the mass extermination of human beings which has already been described, not in the concentration camps but in separate extermination places. There were also execution orders of the Reich Security Main Office against individuals and groups of persons.,,

The third point deals with the majority of individual crimes of which I said ...

THE PRESIDENT: Which is the witness talking about when he talks about extermination camps? Which are you talking about? Which do you call extermination camps?

HERR PELCKMANN: Please answer the question, Witness.

MORGEN: By extermination camps I mean those which were established exclusively for the extermination of human beings with the use of technical means, such as gas.

THE PRESIDENT: Which were they?

MORGEN: Yesterday I described the four camps of the Kriminalkommissar Wirth and referred to the Camp Auschwitz. By "Extermination Camp Auschwitz" I did not mean the concentration camp. It did not exist there. I meant a separate extermination camp near Auschwitz, called "Monowitz."

THE PRESIDENT: What were the other ones?

MORGEN: I do not know of any other extermination camps.

HERR PELCKMANN: You were speaking of atrocities on the basis of individual acts of a criminal nature. Please continue.

MORGEN: One must distinguish between the types of perpetrators. There were even killings of one prisoner by another, for example, because of revenge. If a prisoner had escaped, then during the search, because one did not know where the prisoner was hiding-perhaps in the camp itself-the whole camp had to line up on the parade grounds. That often lasted for hours and sometimes a whole day. The prisoners were tired and hungry, and the long wait, standing sometimes in the cold or rain, excited them

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very much, so that when the prisoner was recaptured, the other prisoners, out of revenge for his having brought this upon them, beat him to death when the opportunity presented itself.

There were many cases in which prisoners who had the impression that one among them was a spy, attempted to kill this prisoner in self-defense. There were cases where individual prisoners, due to physical weakness, could not keep pace with the others as regards work and who, on top of it, aroused the disgust of the other prisoners by bad behavior, for instance, by stealing bread or similar acts. If one considers that a large part of the prisoners were professional criminals who had already been sentenced before, it seems plausible that these people killed such fellow prisoners. This was done in many ways.

HERR PELCKMANN: You need not explain that at the moment, we will come back to it later. But will you describe another type of perpetrator?

MORGEN: Now I come to killings committed by members of the camp against prisoners and by prisoners against fellow prisoners. To give a specific example I should like to describe the case of the commander of the Concentration Camp Buchenwald, Koch, who was legally tried and executed. The following individual case happened. A prisoner who was an old Party member was sent to the Concentration Camp Buchenwald. As one of the old guard he had obtained a job as Kurdirektor. He misused this position to force Polish household employees under threat of dismissal to commit perverted actions with him, although he himself was very syphilitic. This man was sentenced to a long term of penal servitude by a regular court and after that sent to the concentration camp. Koch found his files, considered the sentence an error, and thinking himself authorized to correct this error of justice, had the prisoner put to death.

Another case of an entirely different sort is the following: Koch believed that a certain little Jewish prisoner, who had marked physical peculiarities, was following him to his various offices in the various camps. In superstitious fear of bad luck, he one day gave instructions to have this prisoner killed.

Another case: Koch believed that his criminal activity, or certain personal relationships, were known to some prisoners. In order to protect himself, he had them killed.

HERR PELCKMANN: How were these killings made possible, and how could the other inmates of the camp know about them?

MORGEN: The procedure was very simple. The prisoners in question were called, without being given reasons, and had to report at the gate of the camp. That was nothing striking, because almost every hour prisoners were picked up there for questioning,

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for removal to other camps, and so forth. These prisoners, without the other prisoners becoming aware of it, came to the so-called Kommandantur prison, which was outside the camp. There they were held for a few days, often one or two weeks, and then the jailer had them killed, mostly in the form of a sham inoculation; actually, they were given an injection of phenol into the arteries.

Another possibility of secret killing was the occasional transfer to the hospital. The doctor simply stated that a man needed treatment. He brings him in and after some time he puts him into a single room and kills him there. In all these cases the record showed that the prisoner in question had died of such and such a normal illness.

Another case: The prisoner was assigned to a detail of hard work, generally the so-called "quarry detail." The Kapo. of this detail is given a hint and makes the life of the prisoner more and more unbearable by making him work incessantly and vexing him in every respect. Then the day arrives when the prisoner loses patience and in order to escape, this torture, breaks through the. cordon of sentries, whereupon the guard, whether he wants to or not, has to shoot him.

These different forms of killing varied from case to case. By that very fact they were outwardly, unrecognizable, because they took place in secret places by various methods at various times. This presupposed that the commander who did this, like Koch here, relied on certain men who were absolutely devoted to him and who had key positions, such as the doctor here, who was arrested, the overseer, who was also arrested-and who committed suicide right after-and upon the aid of Kapos who were devoted to him and who co-operated with him. Where this co-operation was not possible, such excesses and crimes could not occur.

HERR PELCKMANN: Did you find such! cases and such camps?

MORGEN: Yes. I have already mentioned the result of our investigations. Since the majority of the camps was set up during the war with new personnel and in the old camps the personnel in key positions was replaced by new people, this co-operation could no longer take place.

HERR PELCKMANN: Would it be wrong to assume that all camps and all camp commanders and all camp doctors acted in the way you have just described?

MORGEN: According to my exhaustive investigations, I can only say that this assumption would be completely wrong. I really met commanders who did everything humanly possible for their prisoners. . I met doctors whose every effort was to help sick prisoners and to prevent further sickness.

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HERR PELCKMANN: We will go back to the mass exterminations, one case of which you described. You spoke of Kriminalkommissar Wirth, who was not a member of the SS and whose staff did not consist of SS men. Why was Wirth given the assignment?

MORGEN: I have already mentioned that Wirth was Kriminalkommissar with the Criminal Police in Stuttgart. He was Kommissar for the investigation of capital crimes, particularly murder. He had quite a reputation in discovering clues, and before the seizure of power lie became known to the general public for unscrupulous methods of investigation which even led to a discussion in the Wurttemberg Landtag (Diet). This man was now used in order to cover up the traces of these mass killings. It was thought that on the basis of his previous professional experience this man was unscrupulous enough to do this job, and that was true.

HERR PELCKMANN: You mentioned the Jewish prisoners who aided in the killings. What became of these people?

MORGEN: Wirth told me that at the end of the actions he would have these prisoners shot and in doing so, would despoil them of the profits which he had allowed them to make. He did not do this all at once, but by means of, the deceptive methods already described he lured and segregated the prisoners and then killed them individually.

HERR PELCKMANN: Did you hear from Wirth the name Hoess?

MORGEN: Yes. Wirth called him his untalented disciple.

HERR PELCKMANN: Why?

MORGEN: In contrast to Wirth, Hoess used in principle entirely different methods. I would best describe them when we come to the subject of Auschwitz.

HERR PELCKMANN: Was the name Eichmann mentioned at that time?

MORGEN: I cannot remember that the name Eichmann was mentioned at that time, but later I heard of it, too.

HERR PELCKMANN: How did you come on the trail which led to Auschwitz?

MORGEN: I got a clue by a remark of Wirth himself. Now I had only to find a reason to institute investigations in Auschwitz itself. I beg to bear in mind that my assignment was limited; I had to investigate crimes of corruption and crimes committed in connection with them.

THE PRESIDENT: Dr. Pelckmann, didn't he explain how he came to investigate Auschwitz yesterday?

HERR PELCKMANN: No, it was something entirely different, Your Lordship.

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The full testimony is like 30 pages. The IMT volumes are readily available. There's no reason to reproduce the whole thing here in the thread. Select passages should be sufficient.
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bombsaway wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:50 pm Archie, I think you're a fanatic as well…
I know forums like these need true-believers for some kind of ‘debate’ but do we really need to allow them to repeatedly post ad hominem drivel like this?

bombsaway wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:50 pm I brought this up because one poster highlighted Morgen as someone who denied "any gassings".
Bombsaway just dishonestly claimed that it was he who had brought up Morgen.
(Lie 1)
Now he admits that I did, but now blatantly misrepresents (i.e. lies) about WHY I did.
(Lie 2).

Are we OK at CODOH with someone repeatedly lying like this?

I didn’t say Morgen “denied any gassings”.
That is a lie!
I specifically wrote the exact opposite, in numerous replies to this person, that Morgen claimed to have been aware of “gassings” at Monowitz!

Here’s this person’s initial challenge and what I responded to with Morgen’s name:
bombsaway wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2026 7:24 am Give me a single transcript from a perpetrator who worked in so called extermination areas but claims to not have known people were being killed there.
Morgen fits that criteria, for the reasons previously explained by me. Reasons repeatedly misrepresented and avoided by this deceitful individual.
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Archie wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 6:14 pm
…Warheitssücher replied:
“At his first appearance in court in Nuremburg he [Morgen] first denied any gassings. Then (curiously) on subsequent appearances he gave very little detail but narrated being aware of gassings at Auschwitz-Monowitz. Something that is not accepted as factual.”

Now, I'm not quite sure what WS is saying here. It seems to me to factually incorrect.
Please do explain what you think is incorrect.
I welcome correction, so will be grateful for it if you can give it.

Archie wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 6:14 pm …I think WS was unclear (and seemingly mistaken on some points)…
Please clarify / elucidate.
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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:10 am
bombsaway wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2026 8:38 pm Morgen gave extensive information on gassings at the Reinhardt camps.
No he didn’t. Now you are blatantly lying. At his first appearance in court in Nuremburg he first denied any gassings. Then (curiously) on subsequent appearances he gave very little detail but narrated being aware of gassings at Auschwitz-Monowitz. Something that is not accepted as factual.
This was the bone of contention.
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As you can see, he said stuff about 'Lublin', 'in the woods'. Didn't mention the Bug River though, so, maybe the 2,000,000 really did die at Majdanek, not the Bug River camps. Guys, we've been looking for the dead in the wrong spot all along, Korherr and Morgen and the Soviet all have the same number for Lublin, around Majdanek.

We've solved Aktion Rhinehardt Murder Mills, and established that the Homicidal Gas Chambers were at Monowitz!

We've explained the lack of evidence for the holy h, people just didn't look at the primary sources!
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Stubble wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:17 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:10 am
bombsaway wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2026 8:38 pm Morgen gave extensive information on gassings at the Reinhardt camps.
No he didn’t. Now you are blatantly lying. At his first appearance in court in Nuremburg he first denied any gassings. Then (curiously) on subsequent appearances he gave very little detail but narrated being aware of gassings at Auschwitz-Monowitz. Something that is not accepted as factual.
This was the bone of contention… he said stuff about 'Lublin', 'in the woods'
Here is Morgen’s very first answers to the very first questions put to him — so is his “initial” trial testimony.

This took place at Nürnberg on 7th Aug. 1946.
MORGEN: I investigated Weimar-Buchenwald, Lublin [Majdanek], Auschwitz, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Hertogenbosch, Krakow; Plaszow, Warsaw, and the Concentration Camp Dachau. And others were investigated after my time.

HERR PELCKMANN: Did you have any opportunity of gaining personal insight into the conditions in concentration camps?

MORGEN: Yes, because I had authority to visit concentration camps. Only a very few persons had this permission. Before beginning an investigation, I examined the concentration camp in question in all its details very closely, inspecting especially those arrangements which seemed particularly important to me. I visited them repeatedly and without notice. I was working mostly in Buchenwald itself for 8 months and have lived there. I was in Dachau for one or two months.

HERR PELCKMANN: Since so many visitors to concentration camps say they were deceived, do you consider it possible that you, too, were a victim of such deceit?

MORGEN: I have just pointed out that I was not a mere visitor to a concentration camp but I had settled down there for a long residence, I might almost say I established myself there. It is almost impossible to be deceived for such a long time. In addition, the commissions from the Reich Criminal Police Department worked under my instructions, and I placed them directly in the concentration camps themselves. I do not mean to say that in spite of these very intensive efforts I was able to learn of all the crimes, but I believe that there was no deception in regard to what I did learn.

HERR PELCKMANN: Did you gain the impression — and at what time — that the concentration camps were places for the extermination of human beings?

MORGEN: I did not gain this impression. A concentration camp is not a place for the extermination of human beings.
I must say that my first visit to a concentration camp — I mentioned the first one was Weimar-Buchenwald — was a great surprise to me. The camp is situated on wooded heights, with a wonderful view. The installations were clean and freshly painted. There was much lawn and flowers. The prisoners were healthy, normally fed, sun-tanned, working...

PRESIDENT: When are you speaking of? When are you speaking of?

MORGEN: I am speaking of the beginning of my investigations in July 1943.

…MORGEN: The installations of the camp were in good order, especially the hospital. The camp authorities, under the Commander Diester, aimed at providing the prisoners with an existence worthy of human beings. They had regular mail service. They had a large camp library, even books in foreign languages. They had variety shows, motion pictures, sporting contests and even had a brothel.
Nearly all the other concentration camps were similar to Buchenwald.
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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 5:48 am
Stubble wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:17 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:10 am No he didn’t. Now you are blatantly lying. At his first appearance in court in Nuremburg he first denied any gassings. Then (curiously) on subsequent appearances he gave very little detail but narrated being aware of gassings at Auschwitz-Monowitz. Something that is not accepted as factual.
This was the bone of contention… he said stuff about 'Lublin', 'in the woods'
Here is Morgen’s very first answers to the very first questions put to him — so is his “initial” trial testimony.

This took place at Nürnberg on 7th Aug. 1946.
MORGEN: I investigated Weimar-Buchenwald, Lublin [Majdanek], Auschwitz, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Hertogenbosch, Krakow; Plaszow, Warsaw, and the Concentration Camp Dachau. And others were investigated after my time.

HERR PELCKMANN: Did you have any opportunity of gaining personal insight into the conditions in concentration camps?

MORGEN: Yes, because I had authority to visit concentration camps. Only a very few persons had this permission. Before beginning an investigation, I examined the concentration camp in question in all its details very closely, inspecting especially those arrangements which seemed particularly important to me. I visited them repeatedly and without notice. I was working mostly in Buchenwald itself for 8 months and have lived there. I was in Dachau for one or two months.

HERR PELCKMANN: Since so many visitors to concentration camps say they were deceived, do you consider it possible that you, too, were a victim of such deceit?

MORGEN: I have just pointed out that I was not a mere visitor to a concentration camp but I had settled down there for a long residence, I might almost say I established myself there. It is almost impossible to be deceived for such a long time. In addition, the commissions from the Reich Criminal Police Department worked under my instructions, and I placed them directly in the concentration camps themselves. I do not mean to say that in spite of these very intensive efforts I was able to learn of all the crimes, but I believe that there was no deception in regard to what I did learn.

HERR PELCKMANN: Did you gain the impression — and at what time — that the concentration camps were places for the extermination of human beings?

MORGEN: I did not gain this impression. A concentration camp is not a place for the extermination of human beings.
I must say that my first visit to a concentration camp — I mentioned the first one was Weimar-Buchenwald — was a great surprise to me. The camp is situated on wooded heights, with a wonderful view. The installations were clean and freshly painted. There was much lawn and flowers. The prisoners were healthy, normally fed, sun-tanned, working...

PRESIDENT: When are you speaking of? When are you speaking of?

MORGEN: I am speaking of the beginning of my investigations in July 1943.

…MORGEN: The installations of the camp were in good order, especially the hospital. The camp authorities, under the Commander Diester, aimed at providing the prisoners with an existence worthy of human beings. They had regular mail service. They had a large camp library, even books in foreign languages. They had variety shows, motion pictures, sporting contests and even had a brothel.
Nearly all the other concentration camps were similar to Buchenwald.
I know.
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Stubble wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 12:57 pm Bombsaway: asks for the testimony and statements of Konrad Morgen.

Also Bombsaway: I don't know the point of this...

Regarding my being a fanatic, please do excuse my being skeptical about some of the contents of his testimony. If you could kindly explain to me the process of cremating a body with no fuel developed by Wirth, that would be helpful. There is also the question of what gas he refers to, it doesn't seem to be engine exhaust. Another problem here is he describes a ventilation being done at the Bug River camps after gassing. Anybody else ever talk about venting the homicidal gas chambers at those camps? There's a lot of testimony, right, and witness statements? Anybody else? Anyone at all?

I'm also surprised he didn't go with steam chambers as that is what is in the expert report from the Polish Government in Exile the Americans submitted to The Tribunal...

The guy said what he was told to say or he repeated atrocity propaganda rumors, point blank. He did so to dodge the noose. He also, you know, mentions being tortured and beaten in John Toland's 'Adolf Hitler' c1976 p845.

You can not square this. He executed 2 separate men for unauthorized killings of a handful of inmates, and yet, turned a blind eye to the murder of millions? It doesn't make any sense.

RE: He never denied the existence of gas chambers...
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HERR PELCKMANN: Since so many visitors to concentration camps say they were deceived, do you consider it possible that you, too, were a victim of such deceit?

MORGEN: I have just pointed out that I was not a mere visitor to a concentration camp but I had settled down there for a long residence, I might almost say I established myself there. It is almost impossible to be deceived for such a long time. In addition, the commissions from the Reich Criminal Police Department worked under my instructions, and I placed them directly in the concentration camps themselves. I do not mean to say that in spite of these very intensive efforts I was able to learn of all the crimes, but I believe that there was no deception in regard to what I did learn.

HERR PELCKMANN: Did you gain the impression, and at what time, that the concentration camps were places for the extermination of human beings?

MORGEN: I did not gain this impression. A concentration camp is not a place for the extermination of human beings. I must say that my first visit to a concentration camp-I mentioned the first one was Weimar-Buchenwald-was a great surprise to me. The

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camp is situated on wooded heights, with a wonderful view. The installations were clean and freshly painted. There was much lawn and flowers. The prisoners were healthy, normally fed, sun-tanned, working ...

PRESIDENT: When are you speaking of? When are you speaking of?

MORGEN: I am speaking of the beginning of my investigations in July 1943.

HERR PELCKMANN: What crimes did you discover?

MORGEN: Pardon me, I had not-may I continue?

HERR PELCKMANN: Please, be more brief.

MORGEN: The installations of the camp were in good order, especially the hospital. The camp authorities, under the Commander Diester, aimed at providing the prisoners with an existence worthy of human beings. They had regular mail service. They had a large camp library, even books in foreign languages. They had variety shows, motion pictures, sporting contests and even had a brothel. Nearly all the other concentration camps were similar to Buchenwald.

PRESIDENT: What was it they even had?

MORGEN: A brothel.
There is also his testimony, I assume about Wirths, but, perhaps Mengele;
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HERR PELCKMANN: Did you speak to the doctor of the Concentration Camp Auschwitz?

MORGEN: Yes. When I arrived, the doctor showed me the mortality figures at the time he took over. He pointed out with a gleam in his eye how since his transfer to Auschwitz these huge figures had dropped precipitately through extensive hygienic measures and changes. In this connection he came to talk about Grabner. Grabner had expected him to kill pregnant Polish women. The doctor had refused since it was irreconcilable with his professional duties. Thereupon Grabner had reproached him for not realizing the importance of his, Grabner's, tasks. The doctor did not give in and a quarrel arose which was carried on before the commander, and neither Hoess nor Grawitz said anything. Thus the doctor, at the time when I met him by accident, was in a distressed frame of mind and said "What shall I do?" I said to him "What you have done so far, absolute refusal, is quite in order, and tomorrow I will arrest Grabner."
You can see that the preservation of life was important to the good doctor, not the extermination of it. How one squares this with his supposed observations of the homicidal gassings, I can not say, and yet, those on the other side of this issue do.

In July of '43, conditions in the camps were good (barring the odd calamity of epidemic here or there), internees were healthy, tanned and working. It wasn't until the collapse that living conditions became problematic.
Bit of a non sequitur though.

Again, this is the issue.
Stubble wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:17 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:10 am
bombsaway wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2026 8:38 pm Morgen gave extensive information on gassings at the Reinhardt camps.
No he didn’t. Now you are blatantly lying. At his first appearance in court in Nuremburg he first denied any gassings. Then (curiously) on subsequent appearances he gave very little detail but narrated being aware of gassings at Auschwitz-Monowitz. Something that is not accepted as factual.
This was the bone of contention.
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As you can see, he said stuff about 'Lublin', 'in the woods'. Didn't mention the Bug River though, so, maybe the 2,000,000 really did die at Majdanek, not the Bug River camps. Guys, we've been looking for the dead in the wrong spot all along, Korherr and Morgen and the Soviet all have the same number for Lublin, around Majdanek.

We've solved Aktion Rhinehardt Murder Mills, and established that the Homicidal Gas Chambers were at Monowitz!

We've explained the lack of evidence for the holy h, people just didn't look at the primary sources!
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 5:48 am
Stubble wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:17 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:10 am No he didn’t. Now you are blatantly lying. At his first appearance in court in Nuremburg he first denied any gassings. Then (curiously) on subsequent appearances he gave very little detail but narrated being aware of gassings at Auschwitz-Monowitz. Something that is not accepted as factual.
This was the bone of contention… he said stuff about 'Lublin', 'in the woods'
Here is Morgen’s very first answers to the very first questions put to him — so is his “initial” trial testimony.

This took place at Nürnberg on 7th Aug. 1946.
MORGEN: I investigated Weimar-Buchenwald, Lublin [Majdanek], Auschwitz, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Hertogenbosch, Krakow; Plaszow, Warsaw, and the Concentration Camp Dachau. And others were investigated after my time.

HERR PELCKMANN: Did you have any opportunity of gaining personal insight into the conditions in concentration camps?

MORGEN: Yes, because I had authority to visit concentration camps. Only a very few persons had this permission. Before beginning an investigation, I examined the concentration camp in question in all its details very closely, inspecting especially those arrangements which seemed particularly important to me. I visited them repeatedly and without notice. I was working mostly in Buchenwald itself for 8 months and have lived there. I was in Dachau for one or two months.

HERR PELCKMANN: Since so many visitors to concentration camps say they were deceived, do you consider it possible that you, too, were a victim of such deceit?

MORGEN: I have just pointed out that I was not a mere visitor to a concentration camp but I had settled down there for a long residence, I might almost say I established myself there. It is almost impossible to be deceived for such a long time. In addition, the commissions from the Reich Criminal Police Department worked under my instructions, and I placed them directly in the concentration camps themselves. I do not mean to say that in spite of these very intensive efforts I was able to learn of all the crimes, but I believe that there was no deception in regard to what I did learn.

HERR PELCKMANN: Did you gain the impression — and at what time — that the concentration camps were places for the extermination of human beings?

MORGEN: I did not gain this impression. A concentration camp is not a place for the extermination of human beings.
I must say that my first visit to a concentration camp — I mentioned the first one was Weimar-Buchenwald — was a great surprise to me. The camp is situated on wooded heights, with a wonderful view. The installations were clean and freshly painted. There was much lawn and flowers. The prisoners were healthy, normally fed, sun-tanned, working...

PRESIDENT: When are you speaking of? When are you speaking of?

MORGEN: I am speaking of the beginning of my investigations in July 1943.

…MORGEN: The installations of the camp were in good order, especially the hospital. The camp authorities, under the Commander Diester, aimed at providing the prisoners with an existence worthy of human beings. They had regular mail service. They had a large camp library, even books in foreign languages. They had variety shows, motion pictures, sporting contests and even had a brothel.
Nearly all the other concentration camps were similar to Buchenwald.
I know.
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Stubble wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 12:57 pm Bombsaway: asks for the testimony and statements of Konrad Morgen.

Also Bombsaway: I don't know the point of this...

Regarding my being a fanatic, please do excuse my being skeptical about some of the contents of his testimony. If you could kindly explain to me the process of cremating a body with no fuel developed by Wirth, that would be helpful. There is also the question of what gas he refers to, it doesn't seem to be engine exhaust. Another problem here is he describes a ventilation being done at the Bug River camps after gassing. Anybody else ever talk about venting the homicidal gas chambers at those camps? There's a lot of testimony, right, and witness statements? Anybody else? Anyone at all?

I'm also surprised he didn't go with steam chambers as that is what is in the expert report from the Polish Government in Exile the Americans submitted to The Tribunal...

The guy said what he was told to say or he repeated atrocity propaganda rumors, point blank. He did so to dodge the noose. He also, you know, mentions being tortured and beaten in John Toland's 'Adolf Hitler' c1976 p845.

You can not square this. He executed 2 separate men for unauthorized killings of a handful of inmates, and yet, turned a blind eye to the murder of millions? It doesn't make any sense.

RE: He never denied the existence of gas chambers...
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HERR PELCKMANN: Since so many visitors to concentration camps say they were deceived, do you consider it possible that you, too, were a victim of such deceit?

MORGEN: I have just pointed out that I was not a mere visitor to a concentration camp but I had settled down there for a long residence, I might almost say I established myself there. It is almost impossible to be deceived for such a long time. In addition, the commissions from the Reich Criminal Police Department worked under my instructions, and I placed them directly in the concentration camps themselves. I do not mean to say that in spite of these very intensive efforts I was able to learn of all the crimes, but I believe that there was no deception in regard to what I did learn.

HERR PELCKMANN: Did you gain the impression, and at what time, that the concentration camps were places for the extermination of human beings?

MORGEN: I did not gain this impression. A concentration camp is not a place for the extermination of human beings. I must say that my first visit to a concentration camp-I mentioned the first one was Weimar-Buchenwald-was a great surprise to me. The

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camp is situated on wooded heights, with a wonderful view. The installations were clean and freshly painted. There was much lawn and flowers. The prisoners were healthy, normally fed, sun-tanned, working ...

PRESIDENT: When are you speaking of? When are you speaking of?

MORGEN: I am speaking of the beginning of my investigations in July 1943.

HERR PELCKMANN: What crimes did you discover?

MORGEN: Pardon me, I had not-may I continue?

HERR PELCKMANN: Please, be more brief.

MORGEN: The installations of the camp were in good order, especially the hospital. The camp authorities, under the Commander Diester, aimed at providing the prisoners with an existence worthy of human beings. They had regular mail service. They had a large camp library, even books in foreign languages. They had variety shows, motion pictures, sporting contests and even had a brothel. Nearly all the other concentration camps were similar to Buchenwald.

PRESIDENT: What was it they even had?

MORGEN: A brothel.
There is also his testimony, I assume about Wirths, but, perhaps Mengele;
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HERR PELCKMANN: Did you speak to the doctor of the Concentration Camp Auschwitz?

MORGEN: Yes. When I arrived, the doctor showed me the mortality figures at the time he took over. He pointed out with a gleam in his eye how since his transfer to Auschwitz these huge figures had dropped precipitately through extensive hygienic measures and changes. In this connection he came to talk about Grabner. Grabner had expected him to kill pregnant Polish women. The doctor had refused since it was irreconcilable with his professional duties. Thereupon Grabner had reproached him for not realizing the importance of his, Grabner's, tasks. The doctor did not give in and a quarrel arose which was carried on before the commander, and neither Hoess nor Grawitz said anything. Thus the doctor, at the time when I met him by accident, was in a distressed frame of mind and said "What shall I do?" I said to him "What you have done so far, absolute refusal, is quite in order, and tomorrow I will arrest Grabner."
You can see that the preservation of life was important to the good doctor, not the extermination of it. How one squares this with his supposed observations of the homicidal gassings, I can not say, and yet, those on the other side of this issue do.

In July of '43, conditions in the camps were good (barring the odd calamity of epidemic here or there), internees were healthy, tanned and working. It wasn't until the collapse that living conditions became problematic.
Bit of a non sequitur though.

This is the issue;
Stubble wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:17 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:10 am
bombsaway wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2026 8:38 pm Morgen gave extensive information on gassings at the Reinhardt camps.
No he didn’t. Now you are blatantly lying. At his first appearance in court in Nuremburg he first denied any gassings. Then (curiously) on subsequent appearances he gave very little detail but narrated being aware of gassings at Auschwitz-Monowitz. Something that is not accepted as factual.
This was the bone of contention.
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As you can see, he said stuff about 'Lublin', 'in the woods'. Didn't mention the Bug River though, so, maybe the 2,000,000 really did die at Majdanek, not the Bug River camps. Guys, we've been looking for the dead in the wrong spot all along, Korherr and Morgen and the Soviet all have the same number for Lublin, around Majdanek.

We've solved Aktion Rhinehardt Murder Mills, and established that the Homicidal Gas Chambers were at Monowitz!

We've explained the lack of evidence for the holy h, people just didn't look at the primary sources!
Perhaps if I repeat myself.
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 5:48 am
Stubble wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:17 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 4:10 am No he didn’t. Now you are blatantly lying. At his first appearance in court in Nuremburg he first denied any gassings. Then (curiously) on subsequent appearances he gave very little detail but narrated being aware of gassings at Auschwitz-Monowitz. Something that is not accepted as factual.
This was the bone of contention… he said stuff about 'Lublin', 'in the woods'
Here is Morgen’s very first answers to the very first questions put to him — so is his “initial” trial testimony.

This took place at Nürnberg on 7th Aug. 1946.
Morgen talks about gassings in that same Aug 7 testimony.
I asked Wirth whether this report was true or what it meant.
To my great astonishment, Wirth admitted it. I asked him why he
permitted members of his command to do such things and Wirth
then revealed to me that on the Fiihrer's order he had to carry out
the destruction of Jews.
HERR PELCKMANN: Please go on, Witness, to describe your
investigations.
MORGEN: I asked Wirth what this had to do with the Jewish
wedding. Then, Wirth described the method by which he carried
out the extermination of Jews, and he said something like this: "One
has to fight the Jews with their own weapons, that is to say"-
pardon me for using this expression-"one
has to cheat them." (IMT XX, pg. 493)
[...]
After the last stop they reached a big room,
and were told that this was the bath. When the last one was in,
the doors were shut and the gas was let into the room. (pg. 494)
Bombsaway's statement that Morgen testified to gassings at the AR camps was accurate.
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Archie wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 6:43 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 5:48 am Here is Morgen’s very first answers to the very first questions put to him — so is his “initial” trial testimony.
This took place at Nürnberg on 7th Aug. 1946… [snip]
Morgen talks about gassings in that same Aug 7 testimony.
…Wirth then revealed to me that on the Führer's order he had to carry out the destruction of Jews.
…Then, Wirth described the method by which he carried out the extermination of Jews, and he said something like …After the last stop they reached a big room, and were told that this was the bath. When the last one was in, the doors were shut and the gas was let into the room. (pg. 494)
Bombsaway's statement that Morgen testified to gassings at the AR camps was accurate.
Oh God! :roll:
Not you as well. Am I really that imprecise in my language that it is hard to understand me? :o

As I have repeatedly explained, I NEVER denied that he testified to gassings LATER ON. (Cheeses of Lazurus! :? )
I explained exactly that NUMEROUS TIMES, specifying with the example of his Monowitz fictional testimony.

I explained that he initially DENIED gassings/exterminations, and I have now given the exact quote.
So I do not see how I have made any incorrect statement. The only one I could imagine is that I wrote that he testified to Monowitz “in later” or “subsequent” court appearances.
But that is accurate isn’t it?

What else? That I denied Bombsaway’s statement he went into accurate detail [“extensive information on gassings at the Reinhardt camps”] about it?
A ‘holocaust’ believer’s problem is not technical, factual, empirical or archeological — their problem is psychological.
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Mr Seeker,

If you'll pardon this question, and dignify it with a response, I'd like to ask; have you read Herr Morgen's testimony? I have linked it on the first page of the thread in the original post.

Your chronology of the events does not firmly adhere to the correct order of things as they occurred.

At the root of this disagreement remains Morgen's description of operations at the Bug River camps as well. You still haven't really addressed that.

I'd prefer not defend bombsaway, but, you keep leaving me no choice by not recognizing your slight errors here.
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Morgen denied gassings at Buchwenald and during the same session (a few minutes later probably) talked of gassings conducted under Wirth.
Archie wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2026 6:14 pm Well, I have a lot of opinions about you which I generally keep to myself so as not to distract from the substance of the debates at hand. You in contrast seem to prefer to be personally invidious. In which case, I will say for the record that I think you are a dishonest hack, and I think you are far more invested in this than you claim to be. You are not objective at all, and your attempts to pretend like you are fall embarrassingly flat.

Can you name a revisionist whom you don't regard to be a "fanatic"? Your critiques would hold more weight if there were some variation in your assessments and they were precise and tailored rather than broad insults against revisionists in general.
No I think someone can be a casual revisionist, believe there was a hoax and what not, but not put too much of their time or mental energy into it. That is not the case for the revisionist posters here, who are invested to a much larger degree.

I would use this definition:
A person with an extreme and uncritical enthusiasm or zeal, especially in religious or political matters
Your fanaticism can be seen in a lot of different ways, for example in your attachment to conspiratorial beliefs, which extend to making personal assumptions about me.

I've said before that I am on this forum because it is interesting talking to people who I believe have extremely unreasonable beliefs about subject I am familiar with. I am also interested, generally, in how people arrive at and maintain unreasonable beliefs, which is particular importance now with how 'online' humanity is becoming.

The accusation of fanaticism a particular strategy I am taking, to see what the response is, but it's also one I believe is true. If I was talking to a Jehovah's witness I would probably not call them a fanatic to their face, especially on a first meeting, but that is what I would be thinking.

I think fanaticism is rampant in society and extends to people who will defend the actions of states no matter what they do (eg Russia, Israel).

Maybe you can tell me what I really believe though, and why I'm here.
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Bombs,

Leave the headshrinking at the door.

While I will admit my bias, that doesn't rise to a level of being un-objective. Further, it has nothing to do with the evidence.

Un-objective is just saying 'the lk's were painted' to excuse away the lack of iron blue. That's not something I do. That's all you buddy. I could go through and make this a list, but, it would get very long.

Assuming that powered buried in places no one talked about because those are places where no one has looked is also an example of your un-objective bias.
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Stubble wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 8:56 pm Bombs,

Leave the headshrinking at the door.

While I will admit my bias, that doesn't rise to a level of being un-objective. Further, it has nothing to do with the evidence.

Un-objective is just saying 'the lk's were painted' to excuse away the lack of iron blue. That's not something I do. That's all you buddy. I could go through and make this a list, but, it would get very long.

Assuming that powered buried in places no one talked about because those are places where no one has looked is also an example of your un-objective bias.
I offered (as a possibility- not what definitely happened) that the chambers were coated in a special paint similar to the ones used in the Dachau fumigation chambers, which prevented absorption, according to Rudolf. If it was a good enough reason for Rudolf to explain away the lack of staining there, why not?

Can't understand your last sentence.
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