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Re: Auschwitz Crematorium 1 topics

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Fred Ziffel wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2026 10:05 am unfortunately for you guys, I have a new argument I want to put out for peer review

It is about the accuracy of the April 10 1942 blue print drawing of Auschwitz Crem 1.
I use the characteristics of one door Da Wooden Door (and Urn Room door) to show accuracy for the swinging door
Look it over and let me know what you think
I use this argument. Most common response, 'because a swinging door can't be made gas tight'.

They just can't believe the blueprint.

If the swinging door was bricked for the 'homicidal gas chamber', how did they get bodies to the cremation furnaces? If it was a different door, where is the invoice?

They have no answers, but, can't concede the point.
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Re: Auschwitz Crematorium 1 topics

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Fred Ziffel wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2026 10:05 am Is the swinging door accurate depiction [...]
Poor grammar.
Both photo and drawing show:
1. Door hinges are on mounted on the doorway trimmer stud closest to the wall
This is true-ish, but it's also apparent that the existing doorframe is much closer to the exterior wall than the drawing depicts. So close that the door can't open much further than 90 degrees. I'm not sure if this is the result of inaccurate drawing, or the wall later being reinforced, or some other reason. Regardless, it goes against your point slightly.

Also poor grammar again.
3. The Nov. 30, 1940 and Sept. 21, 1944 drawings show same characteristics.
And perhaps other drawings too?

It just occurred to me that one of the drawings you use in your presentation you have the wrong date on, or some other confusion about. On page 20 you label it as the "April 10, 1942 blueprint", which would be plan number 1241, but the inner caption (presumably from Jean-Claude Pressac) marks it as "August 3, 1942" and plan number 1434. In fact the original date still legible in the image is "3.VII 1942", therefore actually July. Here is a scan of the same thing.

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To be fair, the two drawings (April 10 and July 3rd) are identical in most features. The latter was clearly made from the former.

In any event, this drawing is dated in the middle of gassings. Even at this date, the doors appear to have been drawn the same, including the double swing door.
4. The Urn Room door characteristics are also match [...]
Grammar.
The argument is:
If the characteristics of this 'Wooden Door' doorway shown with a current photo and the April 10, 1942 drawing are a match, why would the existence of a double swing door (Red Rectangle) not be an accurate depiction?? Both photo and drawing are the same in relation to this door.
This is a good point, but you've made it too long-windedly. I at first read this sentence and thought you were questioning the drawing. I had to reread the whole page to get your actual meaning. I think you could make the point more effectively by replacing the beginning question with its answer: "We know the drawings of the double swing door are accurate depictions because they accurately depicted the other doors in the building." And then get into the details however you like.

I do think adding other doors to the slide helps to support the point. I'm not familiar with the urn room door myself.
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