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[Stubble]

The piles of shoes is also circumstantial evidence of mass killing

At Treblinka II alone the physical evidence that would be in the fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" (IF the orthodox story was true) would be 6.75 million pounds of bone fragments / comeplete skeletons, including about 29 million teeth - and the retard is talking about shoes.

It isn't just him, Berman and Colls and the Auschwitz Museum and the Majdanek Museum and various other sources talk about shoes for some reason. I guess it is because they represent a lot of, lost soles, 2 soles per pair.

[Eye of Zyclone]

The piles of shoes and other property, is physical evidence corroborating the claims of seizure of the personal property of those who arrived at the camps. It is also circumstantial evidence of mass killing, since killing someone means that their personal property is now available for re-use. It is inconsistent with the revisionist claims of mass resettlement, as it means people were supposedly resettled with no shoes, clothing or other personal possessions.

Pure nonsense. The confiscation of personal property is not proof of mass murder. The deportees did not need the contents of their suitcases to stay alive and the forced laborers of concentration camps were given a uniform that included shoes anyway. Your laughable speculation certainly illustrates the trap of a priori assumptions and confirmation bias.

[Keen]

It isn't just him, Berman and Colls and the Auschwitz Museum and the Majdanek Museum and various other sources talk about shoes for some reason. I guess it is because they represent a lot of, lost soles, 2 soles per pair.

The reason is because there is no actual physical evidence of mass murder.

[Keen]

Maybe the shoes weighed less and fit in his luggage better than a picture of corpses spread over a 2 hectare area, up to 7 meters deep, equivalent to 56 swimming pools?

I wonder why Colls chose to talk about air photo evidence of graves between the work camp and the murder mill instead of talking about the swimming pools.

[Stubble]

It isn't just him, Berman and Colls and the Auschwitz Museum and the Majdanek Museum and various other sources talk about shoes for some reason. I guess it is because they represent a lot of, lost soles, 2 soles per pair.

The reason is because there is no actual physical evidence of mass murder.

Holy shit! Where was this picture taken? What is the name of this murder site?

[Nessie]

The piles of shoes and other property, is physical evidence corroborating the claims of seizure of the personal property of those who arrived at the camps. It is also circumstantial evidence of mass killing, since killing someone means that their personal property is now available for re-use. It is inconsistent with the revisionist claims of mass resettlement, as it means people were supposedly resettled with no shoes, clothing or other personal possessions.

Pure nonsense. The confiscation of personal property is not proof of mass murder.

I did not say it was. It is part of the evidence, that proves mass murder.

The deportees did not need the contents of their suitcases to stay alive and the forced laborers of concentration camps were given a uniform that included shoes anyway. Your laughable speculation certainly illustrates the trap of a priori assumptions and confirmation bias.

Removing everything from people, down to their underwear and the gold from their teeth, is consistent with killing them and inconsistent with mass resettlement. There is evidence of mass murder. There is no evidence of mass resettlement.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Removing everything from people, down to their underwear and the gold from their teeth, is consistent with killing them and inconsistent with mass resettlement.

No, it's not inconsistent with mass resettlement. There's no such thing as a mass resettlement with nobody dying in the process. Why do you think there were crematory ovens on Ellis Island ?

[Nessie]

Removing everything from people, down to their underwear and the gold from their teeth, is consistent with killing them and inconsistent with mass resettlement.

No, it's not inconsistent with mass resettlement. There's no such thing as a mass resettlement with nobody dying in the process. Why do you think there were crematory ovens on Ellis Island ?

People processed through Ellis Island had everything taken from them and sold?

https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/docum ... 724%22#p.1

[HansHill]

Document says "evacuated", so Zyclone is right this isn't evidence of mass murder, just as it wouldn't for a pile of shoes sold, destroyed, or retained.

Also - reported for shifting the goalposts.

[Stubble]

Even if we considered belongings not returned to their owners during a war after their intake into the system, or incomplete records, to be circumstantial evidence of an intentional mass murder campaign, we would still require direct evidence of both the scale and scope of the operation, would we not?

In an effort to be a reasonable man, I would be willing, out of hand, to grant anyone who died was a victim of an intentional campaign of genocide, now can you tell me who died? Give me the names of the dead and their disposition? And be willing to show me, where this happened?

Colls couldn't even come up with 3 names she could prove were attached to the 'murder mill' at Treblinka, and she couched it as 'we know they went, but, their names might pop up some place else'.

Given the lack of any direct evidence of the claim, I am apprehensive to blindly accept the claims levied based on lost shoes and unclaimed suitcases.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Removing everything from people, down to their underwear and the gold from their teeth, is consistent with killing them and inconsistent with mass resettlement.

No, it's not inconsistent with mass resettlement. There's no such thing as a mass resettlement with nobody dying in the process. Why do you think there were crematory ovens on Ellis Island ?

People processed through Ellis Island had everything taken from them and sold?

https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/docum ... 724%22#p.1

Everything? Nothing in the document you posted says that the clothes and shoes they were wearing when they arrived in Auschwitz were taken from them (forgot about their suitcases?). And nothing in the document you posted says that the evacuated Jews who had to work as forced laborers in Auschwitz were not given uniforms (including shoes). Therefore, this document does not prove that those deportees were killed. Caught red-handed in drawing a priori conclusions and using confirmation biases again.

[Keen]

There is no evidence of mass resettlement.

If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

[Keen]

Even if we considered belongings not returned to their owners during a war after their intake into the system, or incomplete records, to be circumstantial evidence of an intentional mass murder campaign, we would still require direct evidence of both the scale and scope of the operation, would we not?

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Given the lack of any direct evidence of the claim, I am apprehensive to blindly accept the claims levied based on lost shoes and unclaimed suitcases.

That's why the statements of so-called witnesses are not good evidence and even not evidence at all. In other words, Carl Sagan said that several people saying the same untrue thing don't make that thing real and proven as long as there is no unimpeachable tangible evidence that it's real. In short, he said that only strong tangible evidence is real evidence and that testimonial "evidence" is not real evidence, as any scientist of the modern era would say.

[Eye of Zyclone]

They lost, you dumb fuck, and they capitulated. Under the Soviet, it was a good way to get elected, and under denazification, it was a good way to show 'purity' basically 'I'm not nazi, nazi = bad'.

How are you this deaf, and blind? Oh how i wish you were also a mute.

France did not lose. The French see themselves as an Allie that was finally victorious. The Soviets had no influence over them. So, why has every French government admitted to their role and the collaboration of many French people, in the Holocaust?

That's a false story made up after WW2. Just another myth of the French roman national. During the war years, most French people supported Marshal Pétain's pro-Axis government & policies and disregarded General De Gaulle's pro-Allies speeches on Radio Londres, which made France more of an Axis country than an Allied country.

And not "every French government admitted to their role and the collaboration of many French people in the Holocaust." It started with Jacques Chirac (president of the French Republic from 1995 to 2007), a very corrupt politician (who used to be nicknamed "Super Menteur", which means "Super Liar"), under pressure (and bribes?) from the Zionist lobby. When the Jewish star journalist Jean-Pierre Elkabbach asked his predecessor (François Mitterand, president of the French Republic from 1981 to 1995) to apologize in the name of France for the alleged involvement of France in the Holocaust, he was curtly told that it was not going to happen and President Mitterand even called such demands "the perpetuation of hatred" (« c'est l'entretien de la haine »).








"40 million Pétainists"

[Nessie]

No, it's not inconsistent with mass resettlement. There's no such thing as a mass resettlement with nobody dying in the process. Why do you think there were crematory ovens on Ellis Island ?

People processed through Ellis Island had everything taken from them and sold?

https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/docum ... 724%22#p.1

Everything? Nothing in the document you posted says that the clothes and shoes they were wearing when they arrived in Auschwitz were taken from them (forgot about their suitcases?). And nothing in the document you posted says that the evacuated Jews who had to work as forced laborers in Auschwitz were not given uniforms (including shoes). Therefore, this document does not prove that those deportees were killed. Caught red-handed in drawing a priori conclusions and using confirmation biases again.

The people who were resettled via Ellis Island, did not have all of their personal possessions taken from them and sold by the US authorities. The Jews sent to A-B and the AR camps did. Items such as clothing, spectacles, walking sticks and especially gold teeth, are items re-settlers would keep, or else the Nazis would have then had to provide them with such.

At best, all you can admit to is not resettlement, but imprisonment, which would mean that you should be able to trace millions of Jews in camps and ghettos in 1944, but you cannot.

My conclusion that there was mass killing, is down to corroborating evidence that is what happened. That document is not used as proof, it is part of the evidence. It is documentary and circumstantial evidence. It is consistent with the evidence of murder. It is not consistent with resettlement, because there is no evidence of mass resettlement.