Details on the alleged Nazi resettlement of Jews action.

[Nessie]

Could I please get some details about the resettlement action that revisionists say took place instead of mass murders?

What was the name of the department responsible for the resettlement?

What were the names of the senior Nazis who ran the department?

What was the name of the action?

What were the main locations of resettled Jews in late 1944, early 1945?

[TlsMS93]

Reversal of the burden of proof. But even if we accept this, what leads you to believe that we have unrestricted access to the documents of the victorious powers, especially those east of the Iron Curtain?

The question presupposes that the opposite case, that is, genocide, is not as probable as a common case of murder, and therefore requires ad hoc explanations that revisionists are accused of using to explain what actually happened to the Jewish masses.

[HansHill]

Nothing about this series of questions lead me to believe they are being asked in anything resembling good faith. It strikes me as another merry-go-round of the missing jews fiasco.

(Hint: Missing jews is Orthodoxy's problem, since you claim to know exactly where they are no ifs and or buts).

For the interested reader (OP doesn't read so he will ignore this) here is a primer on resettlment of Jews as it existed in the Third Reich.

https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/plan- ... ement/799/

[Nessie]

Reversal of the burden of proof.

How is asking revisionists to provide details on the resettlement action that they allege took place, instead of mass murders, a reversal of proof?

But even if we accept this, what leads you to believe that we have unrestricted access to the documents of the victorious powers, especially those east of the Iron Curtain?

I would expect the answers to be contained in documents left by the Nazis responsible for the action, statements they gave and from those who worked on the action. Just as is the case for the mass murders, I would expect the majority of the evidence to come from Nazi sources.

The question presupposes that the opposite case, that is, genocide, is not as probable as a common case of murder, and therefore requires ad hoc explanations that revisionists are accused of using to explain what actually happened to the Jewish masses.

Many revisionists make the historical revision of there were no mass murders and Jews were instead the subject of a resettlement action. Hannover, from this forum, used to rather vague and say they went where they went. I am looking for more detail, starting with the department responsible etc.

[Nessie]

Nothing about this series of questions lead me to believe they are being asked in anything resembling good faith. It strikes me as another merry-go-round of the missing jews fiasco.

(Hint: Missing jews is Orthodoxy's problem, since you claim to know exactly where they are no ifs and or buts).

For the interested reader (OP doesn't read so he will ignore this) here is a primer on resettlment of Jews as it existed in the Third Reich.

https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/plan- ... ement/799/

You seem reluctant to answer my questions, then you link to an attempt to answer at least some of them.

"Resettlement in Documents"

That is where I would expect to find a lot of evidence of resettlement as it would require a large bureaucracy to run such an action, as it involved millions of people.

"On 25 November 1939, German officials wrote the first draft of what was later called the “Generalplan Ost,” which aimed at Germanizing the territories annexed from Poland by resettling Poles living there in the remaining occupied Polish territories, and by resettling the Jews of Germany (including Austria, the Sudetenland, the Protectorate and annexed parts of western Poland) into those territories as well."

It is not clear what territories that refers to, but they are in what had been eastern Poland. The person responsible was Heydrich and the department was Homeland Security. But, we know that millions of Jews were not resettled in eastern Poland. The article quickly runs out of steam with that as an answer, as 1940 to 1945 is conspicuously absent.

The Madagascar Plan is not the answer, since the article admits it never happened and was abandoned in 1942. The 1940 Nisco Plan was opposed and did not take place. The next suggestion comes from Wannsee in 1942;

"As a further possible solution, and with the appropriate prior authorization by the Führer, emigration has now been replaced by evacuation to the East. This operation should be regarded only as a provisional option, though in view of the coming final solution of the Jewish question it is already supplying practical experience of vital importance"

That would be an answer, with the department, senior Nazis, action name all being known. But, like Generalplan Ost, what happened with the Final Solution, in 1943 to 45? The article admits "After Stalingrad (1942-3), the string of documents talking about resettlements in the East subsided."

If Generalplan Ost or the Final Solution and the named Nazis responsible for those actions are the answer, where is evidence from 1943-45? The article finishes with the claim that Thomas Kues traced "thousands upon thousands of Jews" in the "temporarily German-occupied eastern territories." But if there was a mass resettlement programme, why was that not millions upon millions of Jews who were still there is 1945?

I am most interested in 1944-45 and that article makes no reference to either year.

[Keen]

You seem reluctant to answer my questions

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[Keen]

Could I please get some details about the resettlement action that revisionists say took place instead of mass murders?

Sure. My pleasure:

BELZEC, CHELMNO, PONARY, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II

Are the remains of 2.145 million Jews really buried in the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves?

(The labeling of asking this legitimate adjudicable question as “hate / antisemitic” is your first clue that they do not want you to know what the answer is.)

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.


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[Keen]

Just as is the case for the mass murders

So is this a mass murder case or a missing persons case?

Let's see what nessie has had to say about the matter recently:

nessie:

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps.

The mass graves have not disappeared.

The evidence is there, despite the best attempts of the Nazis to destroy it.

They were not full cremations to ashes at the AR camps either.

Proof, from multiple sources of corroborating evidence, has been produced.

As it stands, there have been two main archaeological surveys of TII.

There is a ton of archaeological evidence proving mass graves.

They are still there. I can point to them in the ground.

No matter what the claim is, the burden of proof is on the claimant.

I have never had any issue with accepting the burden of proof.

There is no circumstance in which I reverse the burden of proof.

If you make a claim, it is up to you to prove it. If I make one, it is up to me.

Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

[Keen]

Nothing about this series of questions lead me to believe they are being asked in anything resembling good faith.

See the post above.

It claims it wants "details about the resettlement action" when it alleges that it has been proven that there was no resettlement.

It also alleges this:

nessie:

A mass grave is defined as a grave containing multiple human corpses, or the remains of multiple people.

nessie, how many actual mass graves did CSC actually prove actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

nessie's answer:

12 - G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54.

nessie:

The evidence TII was a death camp, far exceeds the evidence it had a different function. Only a determined denier, who has lost grip on reality, will pretend that the corroborating evidence from multiple witnesses who describe mass graves, the aerial photo that shows disturbed ground and rectangular outlines and the site surveys that identified disturbed ground and pits in the areas of the camp that the witnesses said contained the mass graves, is not evidence to prove mass graves.

I believe the death toll is in the range of 800-900,000.

You doubt and deny the evidence I produce.

You ignore corroboration. You deny the gathered evidence.

Claiming that multiple pits found by geophysics in the same part of the camp that witnesses state the main mass graves were dug, is not corroborating evidence to prove mass graves, is denial of reality.

It spews re-settlement talk out of one side of its mealy mouth, and "proven mass murder / graves" out of the other side in a lame attempt to turn an alleged "proven" mass murder case into an unsolved missing persons case.

Typical low IQ HC cult member nonsense.

[Keen]

Reversal of the burden of proof.

How is asking revisionists to provide details on the resettlement action that they allege took place, instead of mass murders, a reversal of proof?

This is how:

nessie:

All the mass graves dug by the Nazis, and the corpses they cremated, are still at the AR camps.

They were not full cremations to ashes at the AR camps either.

The mass graves have not disappeared.

There is a ton of physical and archaeological evidence proving mass graves.

The evidence is there, despite the best attempts of the Nazis to destroy it.

Mass graves are proven. By all normal standards of evidencing, they are proven.

They are still there. I can point to them in the ground.

No matter what the claim is, the burden of proof is on the claimant.

If you make a claim, it is up to you to prove it. If I make one, it is up to me.

I have never had any issue with accepting the burden of proof.

There is no circumstance in which I reverse the burden of proof.

[Keen]

What were the main locations of resettled Jews in late 1944, early 1945?

Also nessie:

nessie, how many actual mass graves did CSC actually prove actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

nessie's answer:

12 - G32, G29, G1, G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54.

I believe the death toll is in the range of 800-900,000.