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Archie;

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For purposes of the Holocaust debate imo the key thing would be the numbers killed. If it's really true that basically all of the Jews in these territories were killed...
It is largely true. Numerous Nazis boasted about it happening. Many places were declared Jew free. Villages, towns and cities saw their Jewish citizens identified, arrested, transported and rendered Jew free. Meanwhile, nowhere in Europe, was reporting mass influxes of Jews and significant Jewish population increases. By August 1994, there were so few Jews left, all the ghettos, that had contained far larger populations than the camps, had closed down. By 1945, the SS, then the liberating Allies and displaced persons agencies were reporting only a few hundred thousand Jews were left.

France was alone in reporting that a sizeable proportion of its Jewish citizens were still in the country, alive in 1945. Denmark's Jews mostly survived, because in 1943, they escaped to neutral Sweden. Finland's tiny Jewish community were also pretty much untouched. They are the exceptions that prove the rule, that across Europe, every occupied and aligned nation reported significant drops in their Jewish populations.

The Nazis wanted rid of the Jews. They were an enemy to treated as partisans. During a war the enemy is a legitimate target. You accept that, then you deny many of the mass killings, whilst failing, comprehensively, to produce a revised history. You are not revisionists, you are deniers.
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nessie wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 4:16 pm The pretence that there is no evidence to prove mass graves for hundreds of thousands at the AR camps is comical and also quite sad, that some can be so deluded.
If mass graves have been proven, then:

“HUGE MASS GRAVES” are easily identifiable physical entities.

I refuse to believe in the existence of any physical entity that I am not allowed to see.

If you want me to believe, then simply: Show me that which you allege I deny.
BELZEC, CHELMNO, PONARY, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II

Are the remains of 2.145 million Jews really buried in the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves?

(The labeling of asking this legitimate adjudicable question as “hate / antisemitic” is your first clue that they do not want you to know what the answer is.)

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

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A - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least 2 people. (That is less than one tenth of one one thousandth of one percent of the alleged mass murder.)

https://thisisaboutscience.com/
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Nessie wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2026 4:30 pm You are not revisionists, you are deniers.
“HUGE MASS GRAVES” are easily identifiable physical entities.

I refuse to believe in the existence of any physical entity that I am not allowed to see.

If you want me to believe, then simply: Show me that which you allege I deny.

What are you waiting for nessie?

What are you so afraid of?
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
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nessie:
I cannot physically show you mass graves.
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Also nessie:
They are still there. I can point to them in the ground.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

How does that work?

How can you point to something that is there but you can't show us?

Are you saying that these fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" are invisible?

So how can you see them when no one else can?

Does one need a pair of magic glasses or something?

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What else can you see that no one else can nessie?

nessie:
[It is] also quite sad, that some can be so deluded.
Says the mentally ill cult member who alleges that he can see things that no one else can.
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
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Callafangers, still light on the details;

viewtopic.php?p=26720#p26720
What does exist are regional plans explicitly for "resettlement".
Where is the evidence of that happening, in 1944? He then goes on;

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Carrying out destruction of Jewry does not necessitate gassing Jews, nor even 'exterminating' them, which is why the documents say neither of these things. Ransacking and repossessing Jewish homes and all property, then shipping them off to who-cares-where (anywhere but here) -- while conducting shootings without hesitation of groups or even villages suspected of partisanship -- is the full, documented scope of destruction Germany intended for Jews, as had more or less been the intent all along. You (and orthodoxy; which you are not, you're a dweeb on a forum) are required to assume some secret shift had happened, one which you do not evidence with any official (or veritable) contemporary reports.
From 1941, there are numerous reports that explicitly reference the "execution" of Jews. The Einsaztgruppen OSRs, Himmler's Meldung no. 51 to Hitler and Bletchley intercepts all refer to executions, for which there is no doubt that means killing.

https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/document ... opping.pdf

"Perhaps the most pertinent class list, HW 16, is
the German Police decrypts. This collection consti-
tutes the most complete set of existing police
decrypts. Within this department there are four
pieces or series, 16/44 to 16/47, which are titled,
“GP (German Police) War Atrocities – Executions
in Russia.” The first, 16/44, contains miscellaneous
notes and working aids to the police decrypts, such
as order of battle, names of the police units’ com-
manding officers, breakouts of the police and SS
radio callsigns, and of the abbreviations to the
addresses of the decrypts. This series closely follows
the contents of those in boxes 1386 and 202 of the
HCC in the NARA RG 457 and probably was the
source for the latter. The next three series contain a
number of decrypts that illustrate the scope and
nature of the executions carried out by the police
units, especially in the central and southern fronts
of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union"

Dismissing the alleged resettlement programme as shipping them off to who cares where, is typical denier neglect of the need to evidence and prove their claims. The secret shift to mass executions, in 1941, in Eastern Europe, is proven evidence;

"The first intercept that referred to a massacre
probably was an 18 July 1941 radio message from
the Police Regiment Center (that is, assigned to
Army Group center) that reported the execution of
1,153 Jewish “plunderers” near the town of Slonim
in Belorussia.9And the numbers of victims moun-
ted as the police and other groups moved east into
the Soviet Union. On 3 August the SS Cavalry
brigade reported it had liquidated some 3,274
partisans and “Jewish Bolshevists” (judische
Bolschewisten).10 On 7 August 1941 the same
brigade reported that it had executed some 7,819
people since the invasion had begun, while an
accounting of all actions in the sector where Army
Group Center operated totaled some 30,000 execu-
tions.11 On 11 September 1941 Police Regiment
South reported to Police and SS Headquarters that
it had liquidated 1,548 Jews.12 One of its subordi-
nate battalions, the 314th, had shot 69 Jews.13
Within a short period, the German units were sup-
plemented by formations composed of ethnic
groups such as Ukrainians, Lithuanians, and others
in the newly conquered territories."

Stop pretending that was a resettlement action. There was no such thing. The plan was to clear the east of Jews, not to fill it with more.
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Nessie wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2026 10:37 am The secret shift to mass executions, in 1941, in Eastern Europe, is proven
Liar.


No mass graves = no mass murder = no mass gassings.

Simple as that.

“HUGE MASS GRAVES” are easily identifiable physical entities.

I refuse to believe in the existence of any physical entity that I am not allowed to see.

If you want me to believe, then simply: Show me that which you allege I deny.

What are you waiting for nessie?

What are you so afraid of?
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
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Can this claim by Callafangers be more detailed, with dates, numbers and locations, particularly in 1944-5?

viewtopic.php?p=26756#p26756
Jews were (an incomplete list):

At labor camps (hundreds to thousands, poorly documented due to a confirmed lack of labor administration in the East but opened late into the war),
In transit (in better conditions than Soviet trains but still extremely high mortality)
In and out of the General Government (sifted through all of its camps)
Dead from various causes (typhus, starvation, exposure, killings by locals, isolated executions, etc.)
In the forests as or among partisans (easy to undercount)
Pushed over the front lines (per Himmler, stated explicitly)
On marches between camps, especially in late war (westward movement)
At various remaining or exceptional quarantine/concentration sites throughout the hundreds of thousands of square kilometers of Eastern Europe (with little or no formal record due to mass decentralization).
Evidencing that is what happened to the Jews and accounting for a significant number of them, in the millions, would be a true revision of history.

What department ran the "various remaining or exceptional quarantine/concentration sites"? Or was responsible for pushing Jews "over the front lines"?
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Nessie wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2026 8:35 am Evidencing that is what happened to the Jews and accounting for a significant number of them, in the millions, would be a true revision of history.
The history has already been revised - you just don't have the courage, integrity or character to admit it.
BELZEC, CHELMNO, PONARY, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II

Are the remains of 2.145 million Jews really buried in the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves?

(The labeling of asking this legitimate adjudicable question as “hate / antisemitic” is your first clue that they do not want you to know what the answer is.)

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

...
A - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least 2 people. (That is less than one tenth of one one thousandth of one percent of the alleged mass murder.)

https://thisisaboutscience.com/
What are you waiting for nessie?

What are you so afraid of?
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
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Nessie wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2026 8:35 am Can this claim by Callafangers be more detailed, with dates, numbers and locations [bla, bla, bla].
Callafangers is waiting for you here:
Why does Nessie cravenly run away from Callafangers?

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What are you waiting for nessie?

What are you so afraid of?
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
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