How did the sonderkommando deal with the settled and condensed cyanide in the homicidal gas chambers?

[Stubble]

The narrative is that people went into the chamber under the auspices of taking a shower. Once the chamber was loaded, the door was shut and hydrogen cyanide bound to gypsum was lowered into the room via some chutes made from perforated steel or wire mesh on a string. After 20 minutes, this gypsum, supposedly spent (I have my doubts, check the temperature/release chart on the label) was retrieved. Then the sonderkommando immediately went into the chamber and began to handle the bodies...

Every exposed surface in that room would be soaked in cyanide and its derivatives, having condensed on every surface in the chamber.

https://codoh.com/library/document/the- ... f-gassing/

In the US, before high speed ventilation and I assume supplemental heat for extraction, the entire room and the condemned had to be washed with ammonia to mitigate this risk.

So I ask you, where are the ammonia kommando?

[Stubble]

Seriously, nobody wants to touch this one? From 8°f to 80°f hydrogen cyanide is a liquid. In its liquid phase, it would absolutely cover every exposed surface uniformly and without any exposed gap, crevasse or fold untouched.

It would stay this way for at least 24 to 48 hours, regardless of ventilation at 10x air exchange per hour. This is why it is so useful for extermination of termites, wood beetles etc.

The chambers would have been absolutely lethal for at least a day. Anyone who went in 20 minutes after a homicidal gassing, regardless of ventilation of the room, would have been killed in minutes.

This is not conjecture, it is scientific fact.

The orthodox narrative cannot be true, and the witness accounts cannot be accurate. They are either black propaganda, of somehow, flawed memory recall, although I find the idea of the latter quite dubious.

[TlsMS93]

It wouldn't be enough to wear protective masks; the entire body would have to be protected, as it is toxic even in contact with the skin and body fluids. Even with the best ventilation, there would be gases trapped between the bodies, especially if they were in a humid environment.

It has nothing to do with the topic, but it would be good to open a new one. How did they drag the bodies to the elevator to go to the ovens? Dario Gabbai said that they used ropes tied around their necks. This work would be exhausting for the first bodies, and no matter how many Sonderkommandos there were, it would be a herculean task to retrieve 2,000 bodies, especially those at the bottom of the supposed gas chamber, which was 20 meters long. They would also have to look for gold in their teeth and valuables in the holes.

[Stubble]

Had to be mopp 3, no gloves, because Hoss said they were eating their lunch. I guess they lifted their mask to take a bite.

He also said they were smoking, which also presents the issue with the mask.

[fireofice]

Had to be mopp 3, no gloves, because Hoss said they were eating their lunch. I guess they lifted their mask to take a bite.

He also said they were smoking, which also presents the issue with the mask.

Hoss said they didn't need gas masks though.

[TlsMS93]

Had to be mopp 3, no gloves, because Hoss said they were eating their lunch. I guess they lifted their mask to take a bite.

He also said they were smoking, which also presents the issue with the mask.

Hoss said they didn't need gas masks though.

For me, these absurd testimonies from Nazi defendants about the Holocaust were intended to make it seem like none of that happened, like “I confess but I also refute between the lines”.

[Callafangers]

My neighbor Shmuel is 88 years old, he says he was in the AmmoniaKommando. It was a brutal life, the Germans would force all of the AmmoniaKommando to drink the cyanide-ammonia liquid before bringing in new recruits every few weeks, and that's why only Shmuel survived (by escaping in the AmmoniaWagen).

Shmuel has saved his wartime diary as well, it's been under his pillow all these years. I just provided this document to the Bundesarchiv, so that this story is now officially documented™.

Suck it, deniers.

[Stubble]

See, I KNEW there had to be ammonia kommando.

Now, quick, get goldberg, we have to make a film. It will win 8 awards.

[Nessie]

Tauber;

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=82890

"Despite the fact that the ventilation remained on for some time after the opening of the gas chamber, we wore gas masks to work there."

That is consistent with evidence from non Holocaust related sources that a 10 times air change rate is just enough to make a room safe. The Nazis did not worry about health and safety, or losing Jewish workers.

[Stubble]

That does not mitigate skin exposure through contact in any way.

They'd be dead.

D e a d dead.

If the historical narrative is to be believed, you must take out your brain and set it on the shelf. The description of gassing would have resulted in the deaths of every single sonderkommando in minutes.

[Nessie]

That does not mitigate skin exposure through contact in any way.

They'd be dead.

D e a d dead.

If the historical narrative is to be believed, you must take out your brain and set it on the shelf. The description of gassing would have resulted in the deaths of every single sonderkommando in minutes.

You have the mistaken impression that people telling the truth describe events accurately and those who lie, are inaccurate.

[blake121666]

That does not mitigate skin exposure through contact in any way.

They'd be dead.

D e a d dead.

If the historical narrative is to be believed, you must take out your brain and set it on the shelf. The description of gassing would have resulted in the deaths of every single sonderkommando in minutes.

Faurisson way overstates those risks. You should be aware of that.

If one bases his opinions of fraudulence on testimonies - such as you keep appearing to do - then you will of course come to a conclusion that there's alot of fraudulence to be found. The question is whether or not people were mass gassed, though, not JUST are we being BSed.

Hoess is a particularly bad case of fraudulence, unfortunately. The things ascribed to him come across to me as being a slightly changing story based on different ways fraudsters think about what must have been the case - or a better way to defraud. Or it could be that Hoess was out of his mind, I guess. His story is quite incorrect when anyone today tries to square it with facts, though.

Even someone such as Tauber needs to be looked at warily. He and others make alot about stuffing muffles with many corpses at a time when that could ONLY help with incineration times in a "diminishing returns" type way. The time to incinerate a corpse is more controlled by the time to evaporate liquids from that corpse - which would be determined by the surface area exposed to heat. More corpses = less exposed surface area. Tauber also NEVER mentions that a corpse violently combusts in the muffle and its parts drop through the grating it sits on and continues incinerating in the ash bin below. And THAT is how a quicker average throughput of corpses is achieved - much more so than just stuffing a muffle with more corpses. As with Hoess, his testimony comes across as a coached and discussed testimony - even if the coaching and discussing might have been done by only he and 1 or 2 others. The way he exaggerates things suggests that he desires to state higher results than one would actually achieve - based on his misunderstandings of the physics of the situation.

Such is the type handwaving Nessie would like "deniers" to do. But the question remains of what DID happen - regardless of all of the fraudulence you can pick out of testimonies.

If one ONLY makes his decision based on testimonies alone, then the Holocaust is, indeed, a hoax.

[Nessie]

Filip Mueller

https://archive.org/details/three-years ... 2up?q=mask

"During the removal of corpses from the gas chambers bearers had to wear gas-masks because the fans were unable to disperse the gas completely. In particular there were remnants of the lethal gas in between the dead bodies, and this was released during cleaning out operations."

That is consistent with evidence that a 10 times air change, as reported by the Topf & Sons engineer Schultze, was insufficient to fully clear the chambers of gas.

[Stubble]

That does not mitigate skin exposure through contact in any way.

They'd be dead.

D e a d dead.

If the historical narrative is to be believed, you must take out your brain and set it on the shelf. The description of gassing would have resulted in the deaths of every single sonderkommando in minutes.

Faurisson way overstates those risks. You should be aware of that.

If one bases his opinions of fraudulence on testimonies - such as you keep appearing to do - then you will of course come to a conclusion that there's alot of fraudulence to be found. The question is whether or not people were mass gassed, though, not JUST are we being BSed.

Hoess is a particularly bad case of fraudulence, unfortunately. The things ascribed to him come across to me as being a slightly changing story based on different ways fraudsters think about what must have been the case - or a better way to defraud. Or it could be that Hoess was out of his mind, I guess. His story is quite incorrect when anyone today tries to square it with facts, though.

Even someone such as Tauber needs to be looked at warily. He and others make alot about stuffing muffles with many corpses at a time when that could ONLY help with incineration times in a "diminishing returns" type way. The time to incinerate a corpse is more controlled by the time to evaporate liquids from that corpse - which would be determined by the surface area exposed to heat. More corpses = less exposed surface area. Tauber also NEVER mentions that a corpse violently combusts in the muffle and its parts drop through the grating it sits on and continues incinerating in the ash bin below. And THAT is how a quicker average incineration is achieved - much more so than stuffing a muffle with corpses. As with Hoess, his testimony comes across as a coached and discussed testimony - even if the coaching and discussing might have been done by only he and 1 or 2 others. The way he exaggerates things suggests that he desires to state higher results than one would actually achieve - based on his misunderstandings of the physics of the situation.

Such is the type handwaving Nessie would like "deniers" to do. But the question remains of what DID happen - regardless of all of the fraudulence you can pick out of testimonies.

If one ONLY makes his decision based on testimonies alone, then the Holocaust is, indeed, a hoax.

I appreciate your vigor, shall we carve this turkey and see if we can get to the facts of the matter then?

Do we agree that the volume of the room is 150m^3 or there about?

Do we assume 4 1kg tins?

Do we assume a 20 minute exposure time for the gypsum?

If we do these things, we have to look at how much hydrogen cyanide would release in 20 minutes. I assumed 60°f so consulting the chart that was a 22% release in 20 minutes, 2 hours for full release, referred to the label.

That put me at roughly 420ppm.

This gas would uniformly condense and have strong adhesion to every exposed surface, because every contact surface is below 80°f. (Ok, almost all, maybe not 100%) this is the nature of the product. It transitions from gas to liquid to enter its active working phase, which is between 24 and 48 hours minimum, maybe longer in cold of damp environments. The directions say to test before entry.

So, you vent the room, this would excite some of the liquid hydrogen cyanide and pull it away. You run the fan for 20 minutes.

The level of hydrogen cyanide in the room is still absolutely lethal, what's more, you are going to handle the bodies without skin protection.

No, you are dead. D e a d dead. Absolutely dead.

Am I wrong? Do I misunderstand the product label? Am I misunderstand the toxicity of hydrogen cyanide? What am I missing here? You are over 400ppm hydrogen cyanide. That's death, in minutes.

[Nessie]

....Such is the type handwaving Nessie would like "deniers" to do.

I would like revisionists to learn more about witness testimony, memory and recollection, so that they do not make so many mistakes regarding the assessment of witness evidence. As it stands, revisionists have decided, without even bothering to read much of the witness testimony, that 100% of those who worked at, or otherwise entered the A-B Kremas, lied. Considering there are over 100 eyewitnesses who worked there, and hundreds of thousands entered the buildings, that is quite a claim.

But the question remains of what DID happen - regardless of all of the fraudulence you can pick out of testimonies.

If one ONLY makes his decision based on testimonies alone, then the Holocaust is, indeed, a hoax.

The Krema testimonies consist of SS, civilian and Jewish Sonderkommados, who came from Germany, Poland, Hungary, Greece, Czechoslovakia, Romania and France. For such a disparate group of people, with no cause to collaborate, all agree, that is compelling, corroborative evidence. That there is also documentary, physical and circumstantial evidence that corroborates the witnesses, means that it is proven beyond all doubt that gassings took place inside the Kremas.

It is only because the conclusion is gassings, that revisionists discard such a volume of evidence. A similar volume of evidence about something they are inclined to believe in, would be accepted as proof without question.