Why Do you Guys Think the Holocaust is Fake?

[Keen]

Gee, it sure was convenient for Nessie, who was getting his ass handed to him on multiple threads and dodging like nobody but Nessie can dodge, for ConfusedJew to show up out of the blue with a provocative new thread to draw attention away from Nessie's cowardice.

[Archie]

-Lack of hard documentary evidence for an extermination program or mass scale gassing
-Lack of physical evidence for gas chambers. The Allies discovered "gas chambers" at Majdanek, Dachau, Mauthausen, etc but there were in our view mundane facilities like showers, morgues, delousing chambers, etc. These rooms lacked the technical features needed for a gas chamber. Many of these are not even claimed to be gas chambers anymore. We think all atrocity propaganda by the Allies.

The Wannsee Conference Protocol (1942) was signed by high-ranking Nazi officials and outlined the plan for the Final Solution, including mass extermination. It’s clear from this document that the Nazis intended to kill millions of Jews. Do you think that was a fake document?

Have you read the Wannsee minutes? Or have you just heard that it says that? Can you quote the part where they explicitly discuss plans of "mass extermination"? Can you quote the part where you are seeing this intention "to kill millions of Jews"?

I have read the Wannsee minutes and I do not think it supports the Holocaust story at all. Quite the opposite.

The gas chamber at Majdanek was discovered largely intact after the camp was liberated. Archaeological studies of the structure show evidence of Zyklon B residues (the pesticide used for gassing) on the walls, which is hard scientific evidence that it was indeed used for mass murder. Additionally, the crematoria at Majdanek were found with remains of victims that confirm the scale of the killings. Why else would there have been residue of Zyklon B?

Originally the Soviets/Poles claimed something like 7 different gas chambers at Majdanek. Most of these have been retracted even by the orthodox side. They are still clinging to a few of them because it would be too damning to admit it's entirely a lie, but they now claim there were only occasional gassings there and only modest numbers (78,000 from all causes, including non-Jews).

There are rooms with blue staining at Majdanek but you can't just assume that means humans were gassed in those rooms. This room for instance,



This was claimed to be a homicidal gas chamber initially and Zyklon was certainly used in this room as we can see from the staining. But there is no way to introduce Zyklon pellets into this room with people locked in. You would have to open the door and try to throw the pellets into the room. That's ridiculous and it wouldn't work. This room was for fumigations.

By the way, if you notice the sign in the pic I posted says,

Reinforced concrete chamber for the extermination of prisoners with carbon oxide. The gas was supplied by means of a conduit from the SS-man's booth. Cyclone B was also used here.

This is a weird sign, right? Why do they claim people were gassed in this room with carbon monoxide? Because of what I just said about how gassing people with Zyklon in this room wouldn't work. But they do acknowledge that Zyklon was used in the room although it is carefully worded because notice they don't say people were gassed with Zyklon in this room.

So then not only are the blue stains here not good evidence for homicidal gassings, it is rather the opposite. That they tried to pass off a fumigation chamber as a homicidal gas chamber is good reason to doubt this stuff.

The figure of six million Jews is based on estimates from multiple sources including Nazi records, demographic studies, and post-war investigations. But it is an estimate and not an exact count of every individual victim.

The Nazis themselves kept detailed records of the number of people they transported to the camps. The train schedules, transport lists, and camp registration books, provide evidence of millions of Jews being sent to camps and list kept record of nationality, gender, and age.

The six million figure was already being used in the middle of the war. It has not legitimate basis. All the post-war "calculations" were anchored in a predetermined figure. In late 1942 you see Zionist groups saying things like "2M Jews have already been killed, we must save the remaining 4M!" And by 1944 you already see people saying 6M HAD died. There's no way that could have been determined that early.

But what I was saying about the physical evidence is that if the Germans executed millions of Jews and at precisely known locations, there should be physical evidence that this occurred. The mass graves that would be commensurate with such a slaughter simply do not exist. The explanation for this is that they burned all of the bodies. Millions of bodies.

[borjastick]

By pure chance because I am a very dull bloke and having nothing exciting and joyous to do in my life only the other day I was indeed reading the Wannsee minutes. Archie is correct they do NOT discuss any form of violence or killing which I knew already but was reading them to get a better grip on the numbers.

https://holocaustresearchproject.net/ho ... nutes.html

II.
At the beginning of the discussion Chief of the Security Police and of the SD, SS-Obergruppenführer Heydrich, reported that the Reich Marshal had appointed him delegate for the preparations for the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe and pointed out that this discussion had been called for the purpose of clarifying fundamental questions. The wish of the Reich Marshal to have a draft sent to him concerning organizational, factual and material interests in relation to the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe makes necessary an initial common action of all central offices immediately concerned with these questions in order to bring their general activities into line. The Reichsführer-SS and the Chief of the German Police (Chief of the Security Police and the SD) was entrusted with the official central handling of the final solution of the Jewish question without regard to geographic borders. The Chief of the Security Police and the SD then gave a short report of the struggle which has been carried on thus far against this enemy, the essential points being the following:

a) the expulsion of the Jews from every sphere of life of the German people,

b) the expulsion of the Jews from the living space of the German people.

In carrying out these efforts, an increased and planned acceleration of the emigration of the Jews from Reich territory was started, as the only possible present solution.

By order of the Reich Marshal, a Reich Central Office for Jewish Emigration was set up in January 1939 and the Chief of the Security Police and SD was entrusted with the management. Its most important tasks were

a) to make all necessary arrangements for the preparation for an increased emigration of the Jews,

b) to direct the flow of emigration,

c) to speed the procedure of emigration in each individual case.

The aim of all this was to cleanse German living space of Jews in a legal manner.

Here are the claimed numbers of jews in the total area that German did control or would likely succeed in controlling if they had won all areas they were to invade. These numbers are of course estimates as we all know that jews dislike being counted. However if we take these figures in good faith and then remove the numbers from each area that Germany never controlled we can see a maximum figure of in the region of 5m. Then if we subtract from that those survivor jews, those jews who would have died naturally during the period 1933 - 1945 and those jews who appeared in places where we are always told there were few if any during the war period we can get a figure way way lower than 5m.

Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final solution of the European Jewish question, distributed as follows among the individual countries:

Country Number

A. Germany proper 131,800
Austria 43,700
Eastern territories 420,000
General Government 2,284,000
Bialystok 400,000
Protectorate Bohemia and Moravia 74,200
Estonia - free of Jews -
Latvia 3,500
Lithuania 34,000
Belgium 43,000
Denmark 5,600
France / occupied territory 165,000
unoccupied territory 700,000
Greece 69,600
Netherlands 160,800
Norway 1,300

B. Bulgaria 48,000
England 330,000
Finland 2,300
Ireland 4,000
Italy including Sardinia 58,000
Albania 200
Croatia 40,000
Portugal 3,000
Rumania including Bessarabia 342,000
Sweden 8,000
Switzerland 18,000
Serbia 10,000
Slovakia 88,000
Spain 6,000
Turkey (European portion) 55,500
Hungary 742,800
USSR 5,000,000
Ukraine 2,994,684
White Russia
excluding Bialystok 446,484

Total over 11,000,000

[ConfusedJew]

The six million figure was already being used in the middle of the war. It has not legitimate basis. All the post-war "calculations" were anchored in a predetermined figure. In late 1942 you see Zionist groups saying things like "2M Jews have already been killed, we must save the remaining 4M!" And by 1944 you already see people saying 6M HAD died. There's no way that could have been determined that early.

But what I was saying about the physical evidence is that if the Germans executed millions of Jews and at precisely known locations, there should be physical evidence that this occurred. The mass graves that would be commensurate with such a slaughter simply do not exist. The explanation for this is that they burned all of the bodies. Millions of bodies.

What difference does it make that the 6 million figure was being used during the war, assuming you are right about that? The estimates were not anchored in the predetermined figure, you can look at how they were separately calculated. If you can show me that those estimates were "anchored" then that is OK but the burden of proof would be on you to show that.

There is plenty of physical evidence of the murders. Here are just a few big examples:

Thousands of mass graves have been located and documented, especially in Eastern Europe, where the Einsatzgruppen carried out mass shootings. Babyn Yar, Ponary, Rumbula, Kamenets-Podolsky are all examples. Multiple forensic methods were used to confirm the existence of human remains, bullet casings, bones, and ashes.

Archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls found mass burial pits, layers of human ash, and burnt human bones where the Nazis dug up mass graves in Treblinka. Other archaeological digs uncovered cremation layers, teeth, and bones in Belzec and Sobibor.

In Majdanek, they found a mausoleum with 7 tons of human ash.

Canisters of Zyklon B were discovered in the camps. Were those being used to grow crops?

Maybe there were some questionable pieces of evidence here or there but there is plenty of evidence that has been collected across different locations using different methods.

There are even some photographs of mass graves from different camps.

[Callafangers]

There is plenty of physical evidence of the murders. Here are just a few big examples:

Thousands of mass graves have been located and documented, especially in Eastern Europe, where the Einsatzgruppen carried out mass shootings. Babyn Yar, Ponary, Rumbula, Kamenets-Podolsky are all examples. Multiple forensic methods were used to confirm the existence of human remains, bullet casings, bones, and ashes.

Archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls found mass burial pits, layers of human ash, and burnt human bones where the Nazis dug up mass graves in Treblinka. Other archaeological digs uncovered cremation layers, teeth, and bones in Belzec and Sobibor.

If there was any doubt whatsoever that you know nothing at all on this topic, you have now completely blown it out of the water.

Sturdy-Colls' supposed findings have been laughed out of town, even by Holocaust 'believers'. Nobody claims her findings were significant in identifying corpse material of any kind. You're just ignorant, here - this is not a matter of interpretation. Sturdy-Colls' investigation was an utter failure, from an 'exterminationist' standpoint.

Nobody denies there is evidence of cremation at Belzec and Sobibor. What you don't understand is that the amounts shown there cannot add up beyond the low tens of thousands of corpses' worth of material, which is easily explained by excess deaths from disease in ghettos, partisan activity (executions), and the like in wartime - having nothing to do with any claimed 'gassing'. In order for your narrative to be supported by these findings, you must have quantities of material at least remotely approaching the claimed figures of ~800,000 at Treblinka, ~250,000 at Sobibor, and ~500,000 at Belzec. But what the excavations instead showed is that these figures are likely much closer to a range between 100 to 1,000 at Treblinka, 15,000 to 45,000 at Sobibor, and 10,000 to 20,000 at Belzec. You might stretch these figures by up to 20% or so if you really want to bend to the extremes but, overall, the physical evidence is overwhelmingly in-line with a non-genocidal interpretation, directly refuting claims of the 'Holocaust'. And this is without even considering the sheer stupidity, stark inconsistencies, politico-ideological motives, and patterns of deception surrounding all of the 'testimony' said to support these narratives.

In Majdanek, they found a mausoleum with 7 tons of human ash.

LOL, is Fred Ziffel around? I think he's our Majdanek specialist, here.

Canisters of Zyklon B were discovered in the camps. Were those being used to grow crops?

Wow, yet another BIG exposure of your lack of knowledge. Are you familiar with typhus, typhoid fever, or epidemics in general during WW2? Are you aware that the expressed, well-documented purpose of Zyklon-B was to kill lice which carry disease (actually helping Jews)? This is not even debated on either side. Everyone agrees that at least the vast majority of Zyklon-B at all camps was used for this purpose.

Maybe there were some questionable pieces of evidence here or there but there is plenty of evidence that has been collected across different locations using different methods.

Oof, you're just saying words. You have presented no evidence that has not been discussed on this forum and others at-length. You're a "ConfusedJew" in panic mode, trying to pump out whatever makeshift 'hasbara' you can upon first discovering the strength of the revisionist position. But alas, it gets you nowhere. You have nothing to bring to the table - a table which has already been cleared.

There are even some photographs of mass graves from different camps.

Again, you underestimate the field you have walked into. We are all intimately familiar with any of the photos you would bring into discussion, here. Whether the 'Sonderkommando photographs', the 'Auschwitz album', photographs of alleged 'bone grinders', photos of alleged 'introduction holes', etc. None of it is new.

This forum and the revisionist content it discusses has been around for decades. Do you really think we've been unaware of the photographs that you Googled five minutes ago? What do you suppose we have been discussing all this time?

Have some common sense and humility, maybe spend a few months doing proper research, use the 'Search' function of this forum and also visit our archived version of the old CODOH forum, search there as well. After all of that, if you still feel you have a 'gotcha' argument to throw our way, we'll be waiting.

[ConfusedJew]

Here's an expanded version (some additional input and AI assistance ):

Aktion Reinhardt (AR) Camps

- Carbon Monoxide (CO) Lethality Issues: CO from diesel engines isn’t lethal in the quantities claimed (0.03% at idle), insufficient for mass gassing as alleged.
- Structural Feasibility of Gas Chambers: No reinforced housing mechanism has been demonstrated to withstand the extreme air pressure buildup (500 g/cm² or 80 metric tonnes on the ceiling alone) required for such operations.
- Engine Stall Due to Equilibrium: It is not possible to avoid reaching equilibrium in the confined space, stalling the engine almost immediately and rendering mass gassing impractical.
- Lack of Fuel Evidence for Cremations: Alleged mass cremations at AR camps (Sobibor, Belzec, Treblinka) would require the largest manual logging operation in history, yet there’s no documentary or physical evidence (e.g., cleared forests, testimonies of massive wood shipments) to support such an endeavor.
- Insufficient Remains: Physical remains at AR camps are far below expected levels—Sobibor shows a maximum of ~15,000-48,000 corpses’ worth, Belzec very low tens of thousands, and Treblinka virtually nothing—disproving claims of millions 'Holocausted,' especially when considering alternative explanations like ghetto corpse disposal due to disease.
- No Documentary Evidence for Arrivals at Treblinka II (T-II): There are no records confirming 800,000 Jews arrived at T-II specifically, only Malkinia/Treblinka; claims of a massive shunting operation to T-II rely on few problematic witness statements with no corroborating documentation.
- Aktion Reinhardt’s Economic Purpose: Research suggests Aktion Reinhardt was named after Fritz Reinhardt, indicating an economic operation focused on dispossession and property reclamation, not extermination.

Auschwitz-Birkenau

- HCN Execution Time Disparity: It has not been demonstrated how to outpace U.S. prison execution times using lower concentrations of HCN, suggesting mass gassing timelines impossible.
- Practical Issues with Zyklon B Handling: There is no conceivable safe method to introduce and remove Zyklon B pellets into basement gas chambers, posing significant logistical and safety contradictions for alleged operations.
- No Incriminating Chemical Fingerprint: Despite claims of mass gassings, there are no significant traces of iron-cyanide (FeCN)—the stable compound indicative of long-term HCN exposure—in Krema brick/mortar at Birkenau, directly contradicting Zyklon B use for killing thousands or millions.
- Aerial Photo Discrepancies: Air photos during the war show no consistent evidence of mass cremation activity (e.g., smoke, burnt ground) at Birkenau during alleged peak operations, contradicting witness testimony about constant crematory activity and pyres.

General Issues Across Claims (AR and Auschwitz)

- Witness Credibility and Lies: Key witnesses and survivors frequently cited by orthodox historians exhibit patterns of obvious falsehoods and inconsistencies (e.g., Treblinka testimonies), with no significant in-group accountability among survivors or Allies to counter these lies, suggesting a coordinated narrative.
- No Explicit Extermination Orders or Admissions: Despite extensive archival control by Allied powers post-war, no contemporary explicit orders, diaries, or decoded messages reference 'Holocaust' extermination or gassing operations; claims rely on alleged 'code words' without verifiable proof of any kind, while Nazi diaries mention expulsion and evacuation instead.
- Lack of Photographic Evidence: Wartime air photos fail to show cleared forests or mass cremation traces (e.g., at Babi Yar or AR camps) where expected based on extermination claims, undermining witness accounts and forcing unsupported assertions of external fuel shipments.
- No Evidence of Gas Vans: No physical 'gas van,' blueprints, or designs have ever been found; claims rely solely on inconsistent rumors, spurious documents, and problematic post-war trial testimonies filled with absurdities and embellishments.
- Political and Narrative Suppression: Revisionist critique is suppressed through censorship and legal bans, not to 'protect victims’ memory' but potentially to shield a vulnerable narrative from informed criticism, as evidenced by historical Allied fabrications (e.g., USA, UK, Soviet Union lies and show trials) and lack of cross-accountability among powers post-war.

I'll address those one by one. I imagine you'll have some response to that but we will see where it takes us.

1. Regarding the claim that diesel engines don't produce enough CO to be lethal:

It's true that modern diesel engines at idle produce less carbon monoxide, but WWII-era diesels, especially under load and with poor maintenance, produced deadly concentrations of CO, especially in enclosed spaces. Multiple SS perpetrators, including Franz Stangl (Treblinka) and Kurt Gerstein (Belzec), testified that engine exhaust was used for mass killing.

Various survivors and members of the SS described dead bodies with blue coloration which is a well documented symptom of CO poisoning.

I know a ton of people doubt eyewitness testimony, despite there being thousands of people corroborating a similar picture across multiple locations, but how do you argue that they are all either lying or mistaken?

2. Regarding the claim that gas chambers would require reinforcement to withstand extreme pressure buildup:

There was no extreme pressure buildup needed in the gas chambers. Zyklon B and diesel CO were used in ventilated or semi-ventilated rooms, not pressure vessels. The gas was introduced and dispersed, not pressurized.

3. Regarding the claim that cremating millions would require massive wood supplies but there was no record of them.

Many eyewitnesses, SS officers, and Nazi documents confirm the use of rail lines, forests, and woodlots near camps like Treblinka for cremation. Several camps were dismantled in Aktion 1005, an operation to exhume and cremate corpses, often using massive open-air pyres, not modern crematoria.

As I mentioned in the prior post, Caroline Sturdy Colls’s forensic work at Treblinka documented many burn layers, bone
fragments, and ash pits. How do you describe what she found?

There is archaeological, documentary and testimonial evidence all showing that large-scale cremation took place.

4. Regarding the claim that physical remains don't match the victim count and only tends of thousands of corpses were found.

Nazi cremation and ash-dispersal policies, combined with intentional site destruction, were specifically designed to eliminate remains. Again, archaeological excavations have still recovered cremation pits, human ash layers, thousands of bone fragments, and even gas chamber foundations.

5. You claim that no record shows Jews arriving at Treblinka II specifically.

Trains went from ghettos (Warsaw, Bialystok, Radom) to Treblinka II. That claim is demonstrably false because there are archives of train records (both arrivals and departures) from the Jewish council, Deutsche Reichsbahn train logs, and SS memos confirm deportations and arrivals.

6. Regarding the argument that a lack of HCN residue proves no gassings occurred.

Zyklon B does not need to leave deep blue staining to be lethal. The presence of iron cyanide compounds depends on temperature, wall composition, exposure duration, and ventilation. Gas chamber exposure (short, high concentration) differs from delousing chambers (long, lower concentration). That’s why delousing rooms show more blue staining.

Multiple independent forensic teams found traces of Zykon B in Krema walls. Even revisionist "expert" Germar Rudolf admitted to detecting HCN—he simply disputed its significance.

7. You claim that aerial images show no smoke or activity from cremation.

In reality, US reconnaissance images from 1944 show increased traffic, darkened ground, and changes consistent with cremation activity. Many photos were taken at altitude, in poor resolution, and without the intent to document crimes as the Allies didn't fully understand what was happening on the ground at the time.

8. You claim that there was no explicit extermination order from Hitler.

Nazi leaders frequently used euphemisms (“special treatment,” “resettlement,” “Final Solution”) to hide the nature of their operations. Himmler, Heydrich, and Goebbels all orchestrated mass murder under his authority. Evidence of this can be found in Himmler's notes, Goebbels's diaries, Eichmann’s confessions, and SS orders show the program in action. Historian Christian Gerlach uncovered a December 1941 directive in which Hitler approved “the destruction of the Jews.” Such activities couldn't have logistically been implemented without the knowledge and approval of Hitler. The fact that a smoking gun memo doesn't exist, doesn't prove that it didn't happen. Absence of evidence doesn't prove that something didn't happen.

9. You claim that witness testimony is unreliable.

This can be true as no human memories are perfect. But how do you explain hundreds of independent Nazi testimonies matching thousands of independent survivor accounts? Did they all meet up and conspire and if so, why did they do that? Nearly all of them described the existence of gas chambers, deportation trains, and cremation pits.

10. You claim that no physical gas vans have been found so they are basically mythical.

There are tons of different kinds of evidence that show there were gas vans. German blueprints, SS correspondence, and wartime memos describe the “Sonderwagen” (special vans). There's an abundance of independent survivor and perpetrator testimony that confirm their use. Even the Soviet investigators and trials documented them after the war.

11. You argue that the existence of legal restrictions on Holocaust denial show the Holocaust narrative can’t survive scrutiny.

Holocaust denial is prohibited in some countries in the EU but not in the US and many other countries. Laws against Holocaust denial exist because it is weaponized as hate propaganda, not because the facts are weak.

Basically all revisionist histories consistently rely on cherry-picked data, misleading science, and discredited experts. There basically are no revisionist narratives that hold up to scrutiny. Occasionally they may get a few things right but on the whole the vast majority of revisionist arguments are demonstrably false or weak arguments.

I'm not an expert on this. I am recruiting help from somebody who has looked very deeply into Holocaust "revisionism". I may have made a few small mistakes which doesn't disprove everything that I say. If there's something that you disagree with, we can go through it point by point. Ultimately, it's important to find a baseline of facts that we agree on and then we can discuss how to interpret them.

For example, I imagine you don't deny the existence of a ton of eyewitness and survivor reports, but you may not believe that they are fully accurate. We can debate that kind of thing once we agree that those reports do exist.

[HansHill]

What difference does it make that the 6 million figure was being used during the war, assuming you are right about that? The estimates were not anchored in the predetermined figure, you can look at how they were separately calculated. If you can show me that those estimates were "anchored" then that is OK but the burden of proof would be on you to show that.

There is plenty of physical evidence of the murders. Here are just a few big examples:

Thousands of mass graves have been located and documented, especially in Eastern Europe, where the Einsatzgruppen carried out mass shootings. Babyn Yar, Ponary, Rumbula, Kamenets-Podolsky are all examples. Multiple forensic methods were used to confirm the existence of human remains, bullet casings, bones, and ashes.

Archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls found mass burial pits, layers of human ash, and burnt human bones where the Nazis dug up mass graves in Treblinka. Other archaeological digs uncovered cremation layers, teeth, and bones in Belzec and Sobibor.

In Majdanek, they found a mausoleum with 7 tons of human ash.

Canisters of Zyklon B were discovered in the camps. Were those being used to grow crops?

Maybe there were some questionable pieces of evidence here or there but there is plenty of evidence that has been collected across different locations using different methods.

There are even some photographs of mass graves from different camps.

There are significant problems with alot of the above. My full rebuttal would be extensive, and time consuming so I'll just zone into 3

- 6 million - the figures are not "anchored" to anything except the 6 million itself, as Archie rightly mentioned it pre-dates any (real or imaginary) good-faith accounting of casualties.

- Zyklon cannisters - you rightly mentioned in a previous post that Zyklon was a pesticide. It was used for delousing clothes, linen etc as lice were the carrier of Typhus. Therefore maintaining stores of the commercially available Zyklon product is not incriminating.

- You briefly mentioned Rumbula. You won't have known this, but we have discussed Rumbula to death (no pun intended), and there are many many open questions with Rumbula (and its comparitive sites) - for example the Soviets only found 549 bodies across 10 "massacre" sites, when they should have found 116,000 if you were right. This is orders of magnitude too low. Additionally.... no forensics were performed on these bodies so we can safely assume they were regular WW2 casualties unless you substantiate somewhow that they were not:

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=5617

Confused Jew: I recommended you earlier to pick a topic of your choosing, and to focus on it. You are receiving quite a high degree of attention here, and you are getting remarkably high quality answers from moderators and regular posters alike, however across the various threads, it looks alot like "drinking from the fire hose".

Pick a topic, knuckle down.

EDIT

Damnit Callafangers got there before me

[ConfusedJew]

If there was any doubt whatsoever that you know nothing at all on this topic, you have now completely blown it out of the water.

Sturdy-Colls' supposed findings have been laughed out of town, even by Holocaust 'believers'. Nobody claims her findings were significant in identifying corpse material of any kind. You're just ignorant, here - this is not a matter of interpretation. Sturdy-Colls' investigation was an utter failure, from an 'exterminationist' standpoint.

This seems to be totally false to me based on what I've seen and her studies are highly respected for being both scientifically and ethically rigorous. If you want to present me with an argument as to why, feel free to do so but the burden of proof is on you to show me that a research study is false.

Nobody denies there is evidence of cremation at Belzec and Sobibor. What you don't understand is that the amounts shown there cannot add up beyond the low tens of thousands of corpses' worth of material, which is easily explained by excess deaths from disease in ghettos, partisan activity (executions), and the like in wartime - having nothing to do with any claimed 'gassing'. In order for your narrative to be supported by these findings, you must have quantities of material at least remotely approaching the claimed figures of ~800,000 at Treblinka, ~250,000 at Sobibor, and ~500,000 at Belzec. But what the excavations instead showed is that these figures are likely much closer to a range between 100 to 1,000 at Treblinka, 15,000 to 45,000 at Sobibor, and 10,000 to 20,000 at Belzec. You might stretch these figures by up to 20% or so if you really want to bend to the extremes but, overall, the physical evidence is overwhelmingly in-line with a non-genocidal interpretation, directly refuting claims of the 'Holocaust'. And this is without even considering the sheer stupidity, stark inconsistencies, politico-ideological motives, and patterns of deception surrounding all of the 'testimony' said to support these narratives.

Your first claim is that excavations show only 100 to 1,000 bodies at Treblinka, 15,000–45,000 at Sobibor, and 10,000–20,000 at Belzec. This is not supported by the excavation dimensions, material volume or sample density. Each site's recovered remains used minimal excavation and partial documentation to avoid disturbing the remains of the deceased out of respect.

The second claim is that these remains could be explained by typhus, wartime disease, or partisan execution casualties. However, the bodies were not buried as in typhus epidemics, but burned en masse, often exhumed and cremated after initial burial — consistent with Aktion 1005, not public health. The mass graves contain mixed, uncoffined remains, cremated and crushed. Belzec and Treblinka were not near front lines and had no significant partisan combat, especially not in early/mid-1942, when bulk killing occurred. Gas chamber building foundations were uncovered at Sobibor and Treblinka, matching architectural plans and witness accounts.

The third claim is that there must be hundreds of thousands of corpses' worth of remains to match the "exterminationist" claims. To do some basic math, each cremated person produces about 2.5 kg of ash. At 500,000 victims (Belzec), that’s ~1,250 metric tons of ash. Archaeologists have confirmed bone ash strata several centimeters thick across wide areas. Forensic soil analysis at Treblinka and Belzec confirmed persistent elevated phosphate and calcium levels, consistent with large-scale cremation. The Nazi destruction efforts deliberately spread ash, often mixed with sand, or dumped in rivers or pits, per SS accounts and forensic sampling. Cremation does not result in skeletons, but dispersed ash and small bone fragments, which were found in appropriate distribution and volume.

Your fourth claim here is that no record exists showing mass arrivals at Treblinka II, only Treblinka (rail junction). I addressed this in the other post as well but simply put there were records from the Jewish council, SS communications, and German deportation orders mention deportation to Treblinka. The fact that there was no "next destination" recorded after trains arrived at Treblinka is very strong evidence as well.

Your fifth clam is that burn evidence and site clearing are inconsistent with mass cremation. Based on the aerial surveys from 1944, dark soil burn zones and altered vegetation patterns were found. The ground surveys found fire residue, wood ash, and cremated human remains on-site. Additionally, multiple SS witnesses (e.g., Paul Blobel, Heinrich Matthes) described wood-based open-air cremation, using layered corpses and fuel which was consistent with the survey findings.

Your sixth and last claim here is that the demographic collapse is explainable without genocide. This is theoretically true but the demographic collapse would have to come from natural deaths, emigration, or death from military service which can't explain the 6m population collapse. Emigration was halted by 1941, military service was documented, and natural deaths alone couldn't come close to explaining the massive population decline based on the short amount of time and age of those who disappeared. Jewish communities in towns like Radom, Lublin, Lviv, Białystok disappeared entirely, with no trace of population relocation so where did they go?

Canisters of Zyklon B were discovered in the camps. Were those being used to grow crops?

Wow, yet another BIG exposure of your lack of knowledge. Are you familiar with typhus, typhoid fever, or epidemics in general during WW2? Are you aware that the expressed, well-documented purpose of Zyklon-B was to kill lice which carry disease (actually helping Jews)? This is not even debated on either side. Everyone agrees that at least the vast majority of Zyklon-B at all camps was used for this purpose.

You are mostly right about this so we can ignore that since I am admittedly not an expert on this topic. But that still doesn't contradict the well-documented parallel use of Zyklon B for mass murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau as Zyklon B was used both for delousing and also to murder prisoners. Zyklon B was a dual use good which can be used for both peaceful or violent purposes.

Maybe there were some questionable pieces of evidence here or there but there is plenty of evidence that has been collected across different locations using different methods.

Oof, you're just saying words. You have presented no evidence that has not been discussed on this forum and others at-length. You're a "ConfusedJew" in panic mode, trying to pump out whatever makeshift 'hasbara' you can upon first discovering the strength of the revisionist position. But alas, it gets you nowhere. You have nothing to bring to the table - a table which has already been cleared.

I don't know why you think I'm panicking. Are you trying to troll me and provoke an emotional response? I am just chilling in my bed while exploring your proposed facts and arguments on a logical basis. I am new to this subject. Am I required to do an exhaustive search through every post on this forum before I make a post? I don't see that anywhere in the rules of this forum.

There are even some photographs of mass graves from different camps.

Again, you underestimate the field you have walked into. We are all intimately familiar with any of the photos you would bring into discussion, here. Whether the 'Sonderkommando photographs', the 'Auschwitz album', photographs of alleged 'bone grinders', photos of alleged 'introduction holes', etc. None of it is new.

So what's your problem with the photographs? I'm trying to get a read on what you think about the known evidence that seems very compelling to me and figure out how and why you interpret it differently. I am not pretending to be familiar with these arguments so I don't see how that is a gotcha?

This forum and the revisionist content it discusses has been around for decades. Do you really think we've been unaware of the photographs that you Googled five minutes ago? What do you suppose we have been discussing all this time?

Have some common sense and humility, maybe spend a few months doing proper research, use the 'Search' function of this forum and also visit our archived version of the old CODOH forum, search there as well. After all of that, if you still feel you have a 'gotcha' argument to throw our way, we'll be waiting.

There are no rules on this forum that say I need to do months of research in order to engage with the debate here. If you go look at my original post, I sincerely asked why you guys deny the historical reporting on the Holocaust and I asked for your best arguments. I'm not trying to throw a "gotcha", I am not even trying to convince you that I'm right because you know more than me and maybe you know something that I don't. I'm just kinda fascinated by the fact that there are people that don't believe the Holocaust happened despite what I see as the massive abundance of research including the disappearance of my own relatives. I'm trying to find out what facts you have and why you interpret them in that way. I'm just asking questions.

[ConfusedJew]

Confused Jew: I recommended you earlier to pick a topic of your choosing, and to focus on it. You are receiving quite a high degree of attention here, and you are getting remarkably high quality answers from moderators and regular posters alike, however across the various threads, it looks alot like "drinking from the fire hose".

Pick a topic, knuckle down.

OK, so the most basic question is, what the hell happened to the population collapse of 6 million Jews before and after WW2? This is quite well documented by credible demographic methods as I understand it but I'm open to disagreement on that. And the data collection was from nearly 100 years ago at this point so you can expect that it definitely will not be perfect?

Also, where did all of my great-grandma's brothers and sisters go??? All of them but one "disappeared". Can you help me find them?

From ChatGTP -

The pre- and post-WWII Jewish population in Europe has been accounted for through a combination of official census data, community records, immigration/emigration statistics, refugee reports, and postwar demographic studies.

The estimates are based on national censuses (e.g., 1931 Polish census, 1933 German census), Jewish community organization records, cross-checks with tax rolls, synagogue memberships, and civil registries. The approximate Jewish population in Europe in 1939 was about 9.5 million.

The post-war demographics are drawn from Allied occupation records, Jewish relief organizations (e.g., American Joint Distribution Committee), UN refugee records (UNRRA), and emigration documents (e.g., ship manifests, Israeli immigration logs). Estimates for the postwar surviving Jewish populations depend on the source and method, but they are roughly 3.5m between 1945 and 1950.

To estimate the wartime losses, historians tend to subtract:
500,000 verified emigrants who fled to the UK, USA, Palestine, or Latin America.
Military losses which were small in number as many Jews in Soviet forces survived.
Confirmed survivors.

But this still leaves a gap of 5.7 to 6.3m Jews that are not accounted for. These disappearances correlate geographically and temporally with Nazi deportation records, mass shootings in the East, Operation Reinhard and Auschwitz killings, and the destruction of entire communities (e.g., Vilna, Lviv, Warsaw, Białystok).

Traditional historians (which aren't always right) have used a comparative census analysis, Jewish community registries pre- and post-war, Birth/death/emigration tracking, camp and transport records, and survivor registration logs (DP camps, Palestine, USA) to calculate the number of casualties in the Holocaust. Most methods yield a death toll estimate between 5.7 and 6.3 million Jews.

What's wrong with these estimates, how are these anchored to numbers used during wartime, and can you help me find my long lost cousins?

[Keen]

If you want to present me with an argument as to why, feel free to do so but the burden of proof is on you to show me that a research study is false.

Look at CJ try to shift the burden of proof!

CJ,

VI - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Blacks Law Dictionary defines - Burden of Proof - as: “The necessity or duty of affirmatively proving a fact or facts in dispute on an issue raised between the parties in a cause.” - ??

VII - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The maxims of law found in Bouvier's Law Dictionary include: “The claimant is always bound to prove: the burden of proof lies on him.” - and - “The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms, not he who denies.” - ??

[Callafangers]

I'll address those one by one. I imagine you'll have some response to that but we will see where it takes us.

1. Regarding the claim that diesel engines don't produce enough CO to be lethal:

It's true that modern diesel engines at idle produce less carbon monoxide, but WWII-era diesels, especially under load and with poor maintenance, produced deadly concentrations of CO, especially in enclosed spaces. Multiple SS perpetrators, including Franz Stangl (Treblinka) and Kurt Gerstein (Belzec), testified that engine exhaust was used for mass killing.

Various survivors and members of the SS described dead bodies with blue coloration which is a well documented symptom of CO poisoning.

I know a ton of people doubt eyewitness testimony, despite there being thousands of people corroborating a similar picture across multiple locations, but how do you argue that they are all either lying or mistaken?

You need to quantify your claim of 'WWII-era diesels', insofar as how you claim they differ. "Trust me bro, they were poorly maintained so the Holocaust happened" doesn't cut it.

On Kurt Gerstein: https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... -kurt/307/

And Franz Stangl: https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... franz/856/

2. Regarding the claim that gas chambers would require reinforcement to withstand extreme pressure buildup:

There was no extreme pressure buildup needed in the gas chambers. Zyklon B and diesel CO were used in ventilated or semi-ventilated rooms, not pressure vessels. The gas was introduced and dispersed, not pressurized.

Some key witnesses have claimed they were hermetically sealed. If you dispute this, you refute the credibility of those witnesses more broadly. Whichever direction you choose, your story doesn't add up.

3. Regarding the claim that cremating millions would require massive wood supplies but there was no record of them.

Many eyewitnesses, SS officers, and Nazi documents confirm the use of rail lines, forests, and woodlots near camps like Treblinka for cremation. Several camps were dismantled in Aktion 1005, an operation to exhume and cremate corpses, often using massive open-air pyres, not modern crematoria.

As I mentioned in the prior post, Caroline Sturdy Colls’s forensic work at Treblinka documented many burn layers, bone
fragments, and ash pits. How do you describe what she found?

There is archaeological, documentary and testimonial evidence all showing that large-scale cremation took place.

Let's make this as easy as possible: please list what specific evidence Sturdy-Colls found which you believe is evidence of a significant quantity of cremated humans.

Spoiler alert: your list will contain exactly zero (0) items.

4. Regarding the claim that physical remains don't match the victim count and only tends of thousands of corpses were found.

Nazi cremation and ash-dispersal policies, combined with intentional site destruction, were specifically designed to eliminate remains. Again, archaeological excavations have still recovered cremation pits, human ash layers, thousands of bone fragments, and even gas chamber foundations.

You're claiming 'ash-dispersal policies' which you completely invented and for which not a single document exists supporting your claim. You're also clearly underestimating the quantities of ash we are dealing with, here. You also seem to have circumvented the issue of fuel (wood) entirely, as well, among others.

5. You claim that no record shows Jews arriving at Treblinka II specifically.

Trains went from ghettos (Warsaw, Bialystok, Radom) to Treblinka II. That claim is demonstrably false because there are archives of train records (both arrivals and departures) from the Jewish council, Deutsche Reichsbahn train logs, and SS memos confirm deportations and arrivals.

You missed the point. None of the documents show arrival to T-II, specifically. Malkinia was a major juncture and station where arrivals were common for transit purposes. All of the documents you're referring to mention either "Malkinia" or "Treblinka". Treblinka II was a distinct site, and is where Jews are said to have arrived. But there is no documentation showing they arrived here, specifically.

6. Regarding the argument that a lack of HCN residue proves no gassings occurred.

Zyklon B does not need to leave deep blue staining to be lethal. The presence of iron cyanide compounds depends on temperature, wall composition, exposure duration, and ventilation. Gas chamber exposure (short, high concentration) differs from delousing chambers (long, lower concentration). That’s why delousing rooms show more blue staining.

Multiple independent forensic teams found traces of Zykon B in Krema walls. Even revisionist "expert" Germar Rudolf admitted to detecting HCN—he simply disputed its significance.

No one is talking about 'deep blue staining', as though it needs to be visible. But it does need to be measurable within a reasonable range suggesting it ever could have been at a certain concentration reflecting at least the possibility of thousands/millions 'gassed'. Your reference to temperature, wall composition, exposure duration, ventilation (as well as weathering, humidity, and every other conceivable variable) have already been comprehensively accounted for in the most authoritative forensic study on any alleged 'gas chamber' to-date, on either side of debate -- in Germar Rudolf's report, the 'Chemistry of Auschwitz', here: https://holocausthandbooks.com/wp-conte ... 2-tcoa.pdf

If you wish to challenge this, you are going to have a very difficult time, as every chemist who has tried has failed in impressive fashion.

7. You claim that aerial images show no smoke or activity from cremation.

In reality, US reconnaissance images from 1944 show increased traffic, darkened ground, and changes consistent with cremation activity. Many photos were taken at altitude, in poor resolution, and without the intent to document crimes as the Allies didn't fully understand what was happening on the ground at the time.

You need to specify which site you are talking about. There are air photos of many alleged 'extermination sites' (Babi Yar, Auschwitz, etc.). Overwhelmingly, the key (and necessary) criminal traces are consistently missing. No massive burnt areas at Babi Yar, no rutted grounds suggesting mass activity, no cleared forests at any alleged mass cremation site, etc. At Auschwitz (which was mainly where my previous point was focused), the crematoria and/or outdoor pyres are frequently not in operation even in periods where they necessarily should have been. When you're claiming constant, industrialized 'gassing' and cremation, it's necessarily concerning when the photos taken at random points throughout that period do not show mass cremation activity in proportion to your claims.

8. You claim that there was no explicit extermination order from Hitler.

Nazi leaders frequently used euphemisms (“special treatment,” “resettlement,” “Final Solution”) to hide the nature of their operations. Himmler, Heydrich, and Goebbels all orchestrated mass murder under his authority. Evidence of this can be found in Himmler's notes, Goebbels's diaries, Eichmann’s confessions, and SS orders show the program in action. Historian Christian Gerlach uncovered a December 1941 directive in which Hitler approved “the destruction of the Jews.” Such activities couldn't have logistically been implemented without the knowledge and approval of Hitler. The fact that a smoking gun memo doesn't exist, doesn't prove that it didn't happen. Absence of evidence doesn't prove that something didn't happen.

LOL, so code words? Got it. You have tacitly conceded that there is indeed no explicit extermination order from Hitler, you've just also deflected and moved the goalposts.

Your excuses about "code words" is identical to an argument like, "my dog ate my homework". You do not have such orders (homework), so you claim it was all 'coded' or destroyed (my dog ate it).

As for your Gerlach 'directive', you are apparently referring to Goebbels' notes (per his diary as cited by Gerlach) on a meeting with Hitler of December 12, 1941, where Hitler refers back to his 'prophecy' from 1939, where it is 100% clear he was not referring to 'extermination' -- nobody within the field of Holocaust studies even claims Hitler had decided to exterminate Jews as of 1939:

Regarding the Jewish Question, the Führer is determined to clear the table. He [in 1939]
warned the Jews that if they were to cause another world war, it would lead to their own
destruction. Those were not empty words. Now the world war has come. The destruction of
the Jews must be its necessary consequence. We cannot be sentimental about it. It is not for
us to feel sympathy for the Jews. We should have sympathy rather with our own German
people. If the German people have to sacrifice 160,000 victims in yet another campaign in
the east, then those responsible for this bloody conflict will have to pay for it with their
lives.

p. 785: https://holocaust.umd.umich.edu/news/up ... annsee.pdf

This 1939 'prophecy' was about a global awakening of all nations to rid themselves internally of Jewish power (and territorially of Jews themselves). This of course would entail the executions of the Jews who have organized the world war, which is also what the prophecy pertained to. This altogether would be the destruction of 'Jewry' which was marked by its parasitism upon other nations. This had nothing whatsoever to do with genocide of all Jews or its related 'gassing' claims. Such a connection is baseless in fact.

9. You claim that witness testimony is unreliable.

This can be true as no human memories are perfect. But how do you explain hundreds of independent Nazi testimonies matching thousands of independent survivor accounts? Did they all meet up and conspire and if so, why did they do that? Nearly all of them described the existence of gas chambers, deportation trains, and cremation pits.

This is a common (and quite ridiculous) tactic of 'Holocaust' apologists: any outright lies or outrageous falsehoods were simply 'imperfect memories'. This is too stupid of a claim to engage with further. Lies and patterns thereof cannot reasonably be interpreted as 'imperfect memory'. It is really that simple.

'Nazi testimonies' were easily coerced and captured given that every 'Nazi' had their entire families held captive with the implicit threat of deportation to Siberia or worse throughout the course of their trials. Moreover, some defendants were tortured and others knew, regardless, that their best legal defense was to acknowledge the truth of the narrative while denying personal guilt. Only with total disregard of postwar power dynamics and the nature of 'victor's justice' can one even begin to suggest that the judicial historiography of the 'Holocaust' has been a mission of truth and its products ('confessions') as credible forms of evidence.

10. You claim that no physical gas vans have been found so they are basically mythical.

There are tons of different kinds of evidence that show there were gas vans. German blueprints, SS correspondence, and wartime memos describe the “Sonderwagen” (special vans). There's an abundance of independent survivor and perpetrator testimony that confirm their use. Even the Soviet investigators and trials documented them after the war.

There were no blueprints. You either just lied there, or you're just ignorant. Either way: nope.

'Special vans'? Your local grocer likely has 'special vans', or your dentist, or your delivery driver. 'Special vans' is such a broad term so as to be hilarious for anyone to claim this counts as evidence of 'homicidal gas-mobiles'. Testimony about absurdities against one's mortal enemies in the heat of wartime and in the theme of revenge which are totally uncorroborated by verifiable evidence of any kind simply do not hold up.

11. You argue that the existence of legal restrictions on Holocaust denial show the Holocaust narrative can’t survive scrutiny.

Holocaust denial is prohibited in some countries in the EU but not in the US and many other countries. Laws against Holocaust denial exist because it is weaponized as hate propaganda, not because the facts are weak.

An obnoxious and stupid claim, here, not worth addressing further.

Basically all revisionist histories consistently rely on cherry-picked data, misleading science, and discredited experts. There basically are no revisionist narratives that hold up to scrutiny. Occasionally they may get a few things right but on the whole the vast majority of revisionist arguments are demonstrably false or weak arguments.

More ass-talking. Hot methane and aerosolized turd vapor is all you bring us.

I'm not an expert on this.

No kidding.

Yes, you've made quite clear you are first and foremost a "ConfusedJew".

I am recruiting help from somebody who has looked very deeply into Holocaust "revisionism".

Ah yes, your wise and noble mentor, Mr. ChatGPT.

I may have made a few small mistakes which doesn't disprove everything that I say. If there's something that you disagree with, we can go through it point by point. Ultimately, it's important to find a baseline of facts that we agree on and then we can discuss how to interpret them.

Yes, but you know nothing about the 'Holocaust' nor about revisionist arguments, which is why you just keep panic-spamming your ChatGPT outputs and Google results. Maybe read some books or at least spend a few weeks reading through some forum threads before you continue pretending you have enough context and understanding to challenge anyone here.

For example, I imagine you don't deny the existence of a ton of eyewitness and survivor reports, but you may not believe that they are fully accurate. We can debate that kind of thing once we agree that those reports do exist.

Oh yes, there are tons of claims. But what the evidence clearly shows is highly-incentivized "continuation of the war effort" in which seeking reparations, revenge and advancing 'denazification' efforts came in the form of fabricating narratives which portrayed Germans as the 'ultimate evil'. No story was too absurd, too gruesome, too completely ridiculous to be omitted from consideration post-war. And those which were the least ridiculous (even though still completely false and easily challenged with modest scrutiny) managed to advance into our official definition of the 'Holocaust'.

Truly, ConfusedJew, spent a few weeks at least putting together your very best effort at disrupting the revisionist position. Not this half-assed, copy-paste nonsense you have given us thus far. I want you to 'disprove Holocaust denial' just as much as you do but, from experience, I would say that is highly unlikely to become the case.

[ConfusedJew]

Look at CJ try to shift the burden of proof!

CJ,

VI - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Blacks Law Dictionary defines - Burden of Proof - as: “The necessity or duty of affirmatively proving a fact or facts in dispute on an issue raised between the parties in a cause.” - ??

VII - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The maxims of law found in Bouvier's Law Dictionary include: “The claimant is always bound to prove: the burden of proof lies on him.” - and - “The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms, not he who denies.” - ??

I'm not shifting the burden of proof. I presented a credible source and described its methodology. Based on the guidelines for social interaction on the Holocaust Revisionist forum, members are "to refrain from unsupported disagreement. This means that if you disagree with something or think it is incorrect, you must explain why you disagree or show why it's incorrect. A mere expression of disapproval is not sufficient."

The burden of proof is on YOU!!!

I'll come back to CF's responses once we wrap up the main issue so let's focus on the causality estimates to avoid derailing the discussion. That in my opinion is the most compelling evidence that the Holocaust happened and I simply can't find any possible way to explain how 6 million Jews disappeared off the face of the Earth.

[Keen]

There is plenty of physical evidence of the murders. Here are just a few big examples:

Thousands of mass graves have been located and documented, especially in Eastern Europe, where the Einsatzgruppen carried out mass shootings. Babyn Yar, Ponary, Rumbula, Kamenets-Podolsky are all examples. Multiple forensic methods were used to confirm the existence of human remains, bullet casings, bones, and ashes.

Archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls found mass burial pits, layers of human ash, and burnt human bones where the Nazis dug up mass graves in Treblinka. Other archaeological digs uncovered cremation layers, teeth, and bones in Belzec and Sobibor.

In Majdanek, they found a mausoleum with 7 tons of human ash.

Canisters of Zyklon B were discovered in the camps. Were those being used to grow crops?

Maybe there were some questionable pieces of evidence here or there but there is plenty of evidence that has been collected across different locations using different methods.

There are even some photographs of mass graves from different camps.

CJ, there are 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves / cremation pits at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. You can read all about it and even see the maps of these alleged "scientific discoveries" at this website: http://thisisaboutscience.com/

There is even a reward offered for proving the existence of these alleged "huge mass graves:"

A - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain, or to have been collected from, the remains of - at least 2 people.

I'll even help you out getting started on claiming the reward. Look at this CJ:



Now how can this site deny you the $100.00 reward when they themselves claim to accept the above photo as proof of a grave with the remains of at least 2 people?

[Archie]

OK, so the most basic question is, what the hell happened to the population collapse of 6 million Jews before and after WW2? ...

Hi CJ. A lot of the topics you are raising get discussed regularly. Generally we try to have a coherent topic (be it specific or general) for each thread so that the discussion can be more productive and people aren't pivoting all over the place.

For Majdanek, see here
viewtopic.php?t=120

For demographic sort of stuff, see here.
viewtopic.php?t=45
viewtopic.php?t=58
https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... c1bde.html
viewtopic.php?t=68

For the "final solution," see
https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... 23c-2.html
https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=38

You're welcome to use this as a general thread for you to orient yourself, but if you go beyond surface level, you might want to pick a topic to focus on instead of raising numerous points at the same time.

[Keen]

There basically are no revisionist narratives that hold up to scrutiny.

Not true CJ. Though not considered a "revisionist narrative," the "convergence of the lack of physical evidence" method has proven that the "huge mass graves" alleged at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II do not exist. (That is, unless you believe a grave containing the remains of 5 people can be defined as "huge").

CJ:

I simply can't find any possible way to explain how 6 million Jews disappeared off the face of the Earth.

This "magically disappearing jew" theory of yours sounds interesting. Can you please explain how it works?

CJ,

III - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The alleged “eyewitnesses” to the alleged Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II holocausts - allege that jews were murdered, buried, dug up, stacked in huge piles and burned like cordwood, and their remains were then reburied into the same “huge mass graves” and covered over with “a thick layer of sand” - ??

IV - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Covering millions upon millions of pounds of bones and teeth with “a thick layer of sand” makes them magically disappear - ??