Truth about Jewish Expulsions

[ConfusedJew]

The 109 figure that has been circulating anti-semitic and Neo Nazi groups is false but here is the truth.

Between the 12th and 17th centuries, Jews faced major national expulsions from at least 12 countries (although countries didn't really exist back then).

The biggest reason was theological. Jews were often blamed for the death of Jesus (deicide charge), leading to their demonization in Christian Europe. At various times, Popes and religious leaders encouraged segregation and sometimes expulsion, especially as Jewish communities refused to convert to Christianity. False accusations of ritual murder or desecrating Christian symbols fueled mob violence and official action.

Jews were often moneylenders (since Christians were forbidden from lending with interest). When debts became politically or socially inconvenient, rulers or the public would expel Jews to erase obligations. Expulsions sometimes coincided with monarchs seeking to confiscate Jewish assets (e.g., England in 1290 and France multiple times).

Jews lacked political power or allies, making them an easy target for populist or authoritarian rulers.
Unifying scapegoats: Expulsions sometimes served to consolidate national or religious identity (e.g., Spain's 1492 expulsion after the Reconquista, to solidify Catholic identity).

During the Black Death (1347–1351), Jews were falsely accused of poisoning wells and spreading disease. Increasing urbanization and Jewish visibility in economic life led to social resentment.

Here is a more accurate list.

England 1290
France 1182, 1306, 1322, 1394
Spain 1492
Portugal 1497
Austria 1421, again in 1670
Hungary 1349, 1360, 1526
Lithuania 1495 (reversed 1503)
Russia 1742 (under Elizabeth of Russia)
Papal States 1569
Bohemia/Moravia (Czech lands) 1541, 1744 (partial)
Naples & Southern Italy 1540s
Various states in Germany 14th–16th centuries, not a unified state

There were also local expulsions. In areas like modern-day Germany, Italy, Switzerland, and parts of Poland, cities and duchies (e.g., Cologne, Mainz, Milan, Venice) often expelled Jews independently, even if the national ruler did not.

The reason why it happened commonly to Jews was that they were a visible, religiously distinct minority living in Christian Europe without full citizenship. Church doctrine often reinforced antisemitism. Jews were vulnerable due to lack of land ownership, political rights, and dependence on royal protection. Expelling Jews was often a way for monarchs to seize assets or cancel debts.

[Archie]

"Saying Jews were expelled from 109 countries is an outrageous anti-Semitic lie! It was only 97!"

You can quibble about what counts as a country and what the exact number is, but it is simply a fact that Jews have been banished a lot.
https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... cd4d5.html

Think of the 109 as a symbolic number. Like the six million.

[ConfusedJew]

"Saying Jews were expelled from 109 countries is an outrageous anti-Semitic lie! It was only 97!"

You can quibble about what counts as a country and what the exact number is, but it is simply a fact that Jews have been banished a lot.
https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... cd4d5.html

Think of the 109 as a symbolic number. Like the six million.

It's not symbolic because it's offering false and exaggerated precision. Like if I said the exact count of Jews that died in the Holocaust was 9,424,310 it would seem believable to some people because it seems like somebody methodically counted every single one but it would be both false and an exaggeration.

The number of countries is far less than 97. I will look into that. A lot of Jews got expelled from small towns but that really isn't nearly the same thing as being expelled by a king.

From what I understand, a lot of times a single Jew might have done something wrong and then a local mayor might have collectively punished all Jews for that one person's offense. If we did that every time a white person committed a crime, there would be no more white people.

That link you doesn't hold to scrutiny. Just the fourth one on the list is from the Book of Esther which is based on myth. The story, which is probably not even true, doesn't even involve an expulsion. Some evil advisor wanted to expel or kill the Jews living in Persia but he failed and he was hung. Whoever wrote that list was trying to compile as much negative information as they could, regardless of whether or not it was true.

356 B.C. - Persia - Jews Expulsion/Killing plot by Haman (apocryphal ‘Book of Esther’; mythistorical)

[Stubble]

4,000,000,000 jews died in the bar kokba rebellion then?

Just curious, why were the jews expelled from Guatemala?

Also, if Esther is a myth, why do jews dress up as the twin towers for purim?

[I should have said, 'why were the jews in Guatemala expelled?'. The current phrasing is inaccurate and makes it look like all the jews were expelled from Guatemala.]

[ConfusedJew]

4,000,000,000 jews died in the bar kokba rebellion then?

Just curious, why were the jews expelled from Guatemala?

Demographics are very difficult to estimate from 2,000 years ago but at the time of the Bar Kokhba revolt, around 4–5 million Jews were alive worldwide, with around 1 million or fewer in Judea, where the revolt occurred. I'm not sure why you brought that up but that was likely an impossible number.

To your second question, Jews were not expelled from Guatemala but during the Spanish Inquisition in the 15th century, both Jews and Muslims were prohibited from settling in any colony that was under Spanish rule which would have included Guatemala at the time.

If you don't mind, please do a little research to make sure there's a least some potential truth behind these claims otherwise you can keep making stuff up with no grounding in reality.

[Stubble]

Uh, the talmud very plainly says 4,000,000,000 killed by the Romans. Although I've been told some translations say 400,000,000. So yes, a wild exaggeration. Complete with geysers of blood, people being cremated, all kinds of crazy stuff. I get holocaust vibes from it when I read it.

With Guatemala, I think it was for fucking children.

Some links;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 01807.html

At the time, I couldn't put it together, but, last year it kind of came in to focus;

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnv3291z9p2o

(I believe you may owe me an apology, it would appear that I have done my research and I am being truthful...for the record, if you ever think I'm being dishonest, I'm not, I may make a mistake from time to time however.)

[ConfusedJew]

Uh, the talmud very plainly says 4,000,000,000 killed by the Romans. Although I've been told some translations say 400,000,000. So yes, a wild exaggeration. Complete with geysers of blood, people being cremated, all kinds of crazy stuff. I get holocaust vibes from it when I read it.

The Talmud is not a history book. It's a collection of volumes that interpret laws from the Torah.

With Guatemala, I think it was for fucking children.

Some links;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 01807.html

At the time, I couldn't put it together, but, last year it kind of came in to focus;

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnv3291z9p2o

(I believe you may owe me an apology, it would appear that I have done my research and I am being truthful...for the record, if you ever think I'm being dishonest, I'm not, I may make a mistake from time to time however.)

In this case, you may be sort of truthful but you aren't accurate.

Jews were not expelled from Guatemala, but in 2014 a tiny group of Jewish extremists called Lev Tahor got pushed out of the village of San Juan La Laguna by the indigenous Tz’utujil Maya community who accused Lev Tahor of refusing to integrate or respect local customs. Lev Tahor members reportedly refused to greet or interact with locals and did not participate in community life, which was seen as disrespectful and isolating.

Local leaders claimed the group was trying to convert residents to their version of Judaism, despite Lev Tahor generally being opposed to outreach or conversions. This may have been a misunderstanding, but it stoked distrust. Lev Tahor's strict practices (such as women wearing full-body coverings) were viewed with suspicion and discomfort.

While some human rights groups viewed the expulsion as discriminatory and illegal, others argued that it reflected legitimate local governance and cultural protection. The former mayor was later convicted for his role in the coercive removal, suggesting that the expulsion violated legal norms in Guatemala.

Lev Tahor is an extremely small group of Jews (less than 300) that are on the fringe and they did get in trouble later but the local mayor forced them out of his millage and was later arrested.

Should smaller religions not be able to convert locals? Jews typically don't do that but Christians did in the Roman Empire and some were murdered for doing that. Should sub-cultures be forced to integrate into dominant cultures even if they have to do things that are against their religion? Dominant groups throughout history have often oppressed minority groups, not just the Jews.

I don't remember ever accusing you of lying to me but maybe I'm wrong.

[Stubble]

I'm going to be very polite, and I'm going to ask you to read your above statement, then, reread the last paragraph of your statement previous, then tell me if you find anything incongruent...

[ConfusedJew]

I'm going to be very polite, and I'm going to ask you to read your above statement, then, reread the last paragraph of your statement previous, then tell me if you find anything incongruent...

I guess you didn't make that up but you did present inaccurate information and it is not possible to tell the difference when you don't provide sources or evidence.

Jews were not expelled from Guatemala. A tiny fringe sect was pushed out a single village in Guatemala and the mayor who did so was later indicted.

I think you can see how it is a problem if you look with a magnifying class for every individual fraction of any group, over thousands of years, exaggerate what happened and then ascribe it to an entire civilization of people (in this case "the Jews".

To be accurate and truthful, you need to look at the whole picture and take things into context.

[Stubble]

You guess I didn't make it up?

Dude, seriously, go have intercourse with yourself.

1) were they jews?
2) were they expelled?
3) did they fuck kids?

[ConfusedJew]

You guess I didn't make it up?

Dude, seriously, go have intercourse with yourself.

1) were they jews?
2) were they expelled?
3) did they fuck kids?

1. You said "the Jews" and no, "the Jews" were not expelled from Guatemala
2. No they were not expelled, that's not an accurate or balanced way to describe what happened
3. Not in that article, I can't say what happened in other times because I haven't researched it

[Stubble]

I assert the facts,

1) they were and continue to be jews. This should not be in dispute.

2) they were expelled, after all, your cope is that the legal system prosecuted the mayor 3 years after the fact.

3) this group of jews fucks kids. They fucked kids in Canada, they fucked kids in Mexico and they were fucking kids in Guatemala all the way up to last year. They have a history of child sexual abuse.

Perhaps I should have used the words 'these jews' and if you think that has lead to some kind of misframing of the situation on my part, that's your prerogative. The facts still remain.

Now, I really don't think this is the thread to go in to sexual proclivities of people inside the jewish culture and I can only think that such a discussion would merely lead to further animus between you and I.

If you would like to talk about Romanian orphans etc, we can do that, but, it is not a pretty subject and conversation is likely to rapidly become toxic. Furthermore it merits it's own thread.

[ConfusedJew]

I assert the facts,

1) they were and continue to be jews. This should not be in dispute.

2) they were expelled, after all, your cope is that the legal system prosecuted the mayor 3 years after the fact.

3) this group of jews fucks kids. They fucked kids in Canada, they fucked kids in Mexico and they were fucking kids in Guatemala all the way up to last year. They have a history of child sexual abuse.

Perhaps I should have used the words 'these jews' and if you think that has lead to some kind of misframing of the situation on my part, that's your prerogative. The facts still remain.

Now, I really don't think this is the thread to go in to sexual proclivities of people inside the jewish culture and I can only think that such a discussion would merely lead to further animus between you and I.

If you would like to talk about Romanian orphans etc, we can do that, but, it is not a pretty subject and conversation is likely to rapidly become toxic. Furthermore it merits it's own thread.

You are being sloppy with words and arguments. For the types of extreme claims you are making, that doesn't work.

I don't feel animus towards you, I am trying to understand why you believe the things that you do. Where did these beliefs come from?

There are no unusual sexual proclivities inside of Jewish culture. Sure there will be some Jews with strange sexual proclivities, but they are certainly the exception rather than the norm. Just like any other religious group.

[ConfusedJew]

I keep getting accused of diverging but I am being derailed by people on here. And then if I decline to answer, people accuse me of dodging. The double standards that I'm being held to here are very problematic.

[Stubble]

I keep getting accused of diverging but I am being derailed by people on here. And then if I decline to answer, people accuse me of dodging. The double standards that I'm being held to here are very problematic.

These topics are not particularly wieldy. Part of the issue is overly broad discussion. This occurs on both sides of the fence. I personally have been working on reigning in my topic drift tendency.

Let's stick to expulsions in this thread.

So far as how I formed my opinions, that would take a book. Needless to say, it didn't occur over night and this is not some unsubstantiated racial hatred or baseless set of accusations. It is the result of intense study and research.