Why Do you Guys Think the Holocaust is Fake?

[Stubble]

If words were 'often undefined', language would be absolutely useless.

Without definition words have no value, as they communicate nothing.

[Nessie]

If words were 'often undefined', language would be absolutely useless.

Without definition words have no value, as they communicate nothing.

This is quibbling over semantics. Nazgul tries to use spying as an excuse to dismiss Zabecki's evidence, as if all spying is untrustworthy. It is a typical so-called revisionist excuse to disregard inconvenient evidence, as Zabecki records mass arrivals of people at TII, which Nazgul want to pretend did not happen.

If the station master Zabecki was a spy, then so was Wiernik, the escaped prisoner, who recorded what he saw happen inside the camp. The definition of spy then become very broad, to include all witnesses.

[Stubble]

It isn't semantic.

The guy was, by definition, a spy.

/shrug

The inconvenient thing about him is the lack of evidence, which you are dodging.

You know, the one extant photograph of smoke from treblinka II...

[Nazgul]

This is quibbling over semantics. Nazgul tries to use spying as an excuse to dismiss Zabecki's evidence, as if all spying is untrustworthy. It is a typical so-called revisionist excuse to disregard inconvenient evidence, as Zabecki records mass arrivals of people at TII, which Nazgul want to pretend did not happen.

If the station master Zabecki was a spy, then so was Wiernik, the escaped prisoner, who recorded what he saw happen inside the camp. The definition of spy then become very broad, to include all witnesses.

In those days, intelligence is weaponized as "fake news"; In June 1941, American newspapers reported on a successful and daring British parachute raid within Germany that captured 40 Nazi pilots. The story helped Americans see that the British had the resolve to defeat the Nazis.

But the raid was fiction. Conceived by MI6 in London, the article was written by one of Stephenson’s agents and spread via the Overseas News Agency, a well-known and “reputable” agency that was secretly on Stephenson’s payroll.

Knowing that Adolf Hitler was obsessed with astrology, Stephenson even had his propaganda hit the horoscopes. MI6 had “pet astrologers” around the world, and Stephenson had them “start predicting the Nazi leader’s sudden demise, which they duly did.”

Just before the Dec. 7, 1941, bombing of Pearl Harbor, the number of Americans in favor of intervention had risen to 72% — a tenfold increase from 1940 — due at least in part to Stephenson’s manipulations of the public mind.
The fictional map of Hitler’s South America, for example, came from Stephenson’s team. The idea, Hemming writes, originated with a British stockbroker friend of Fleming’s, Ivar Bryce. When rumors spread that Hitler had his sights on South America, Bryce let his imagination wander.

“Crawling into Hitler’s mind, Bryce enlarged or shrank each country, and in the case of Uruguay abolished it altogether, until he was left with one German colony and four vassal states covering the whole continent,” Hemming writes.

Stephenson approved the idea. To create the map itself, he relied on his crack forgery squad, which was headed by Eric Maschwitz, a songwriter and screenwriter who earned an Oscar nomination the year before for co-writing 1939’s “Goodbye, Mr. Chips.” In just two days, Maschwitz and his team produced a picture-perfect map, down to using including inks consistent with those used by the Nazis. in just two days, Stephenson got the map to Roosevelt through Donovan. It’s unknown if Roosevelt was genuinely fooled or knew it was a useful forgery.

Once the US entered the war, Stephenson’s mission was accomplished. He did more traditional intelligence gathering during the conflict, and was honored with a knighthood.

Stephenson spent the rest of his life working on various business interests from his homes in Jamaica and Bermuda. He died in 1989, at age 92, having had a greater effect on history than his island neighbors could have imagined. https://nypost.com/2019/10/02/the-fake- ... ld-war-ii/

[Stubble]

For the record, it is my opinion that both Elie Wiesel and Warnick were 'plants'.

That is not just a spy, but, a propagandist, spy and false witness.

I need to make a thread on this, I'm still working on unravelling the knot however and am at this point not ready to put pen to paper.

[Nazgul]

For the record, it is my opinion that both Elie Wiesel and Warnick were 'plants'.

That is not just a spy, but, a propagandist, spy and false witness.

I need to make a thread on this, I'm still working on unravelling the knot however and am at this point not ready to put pen to paper.

Wiernik. It is called disinformation, they are agent provocateur's, spies non the less.

[Nessie]

That you are prepared to believe in unevidenced conspiracist claims, is why you think the Holocaust is fake.

[Stubble]

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=174618

Dude...

That man is a plant.

With Warnick, I admittedly have less evidence. Less, not none.

Your willingness to buy their fables wholesale provides insight into how you have bought in to the holy hoax of the century.

[Nessie]

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=174618

Dude...

That man is a plant.

With Warnick, I admittedly have less evidence. Less, not none.

Your willingness to buy their fables wholesale provides insight into how you have bought in to the holy hoax of the century.

I believe the mass murders happened, because of the corroborating evidence. You believe in the unevidenced, survival conspiracy.

[DavidM]

ables wholesale provides insight into how you have bought in to the holy hoax of the century.

I believe the mass murders happened, because of the corroborating evidence. You believe in the unevidenced, survival conspiracy.
[/quote]
Hello Nessie,
I am not sure what you mean by "survival conspiracy."
My position is that the International Military Tribunal (at Nuremberg and first presided over by Iona Nikitchenko)
was pretty much a show trial. Its Judgment and finding of facts, whether the indictment of the Germans for the Katyn murders or the claim of 1.4 million dead at Majdanek are clearly false and need to be Revised.
Majdanek was a horrible tragedy but the death toll is now believed by mainstream scholars to be closer to
78,000 dead.
I respectful ask if you still believe that 1.4 million people died in Majdanek Camp or 2.5- 4 million people
died at the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex?

[Nessie]

ables wholesale provides insight into how you have bought in to the holy hoax of the century.

I believe the mass murders happened, because of the corroborating evidence. You believe in the unevidenced, survival conspiracy.

Hello Nessie,
I am not sure what you mean by "survival conspiracy."

I mean that instead of being killed, millions of the Jews arrested by the Nazis, 1939-44, were still alive in camps and ghettos and were then liberated in 1945.

My position is that the International Military Tribunal (at Nuremberg and first presided over by Iona Nikitchenko)
was pretty much a show trial. Its Judgment and finding of facts, whether the indictment of the Germans for the Katyn murders or the claim of 1.4 million dead at Majdanek are clearly false and need to be Revised.
Majdanek was a horrible tragedy but the death toll is now believed by mainstream scholars to be closer to
78,000 dead.

The revisions you want, have already been done.

I respectful ask if you still believe that 1.4 million people died in Majdanek Camp or 2.5- 4 million people
died at the Auschwitz-Birkenau complex?

No, I never believed those figures. There were Soviet figures and I have always believed, because of the evidence, that western figures are more accurate, since they derived from German sources.

[DavidM]

Hello Nessie,
I am not sure what you mean by "survival conspiracy."

I mean that instead of being killed, millions of the Jews arrested by the Nazis, 1939-44, were still alive in camps and ghettos and were then liberated in 1945. [/quote]

My position is that the International Military Tribunal (at Nuremberg and first presided over by Iona Nikitchenko)
was pretty much a show trial. Its Judgment and finding of facts, whether the indictment of the Germans for the Katyn murders or the claim of 1.4 million dead at Majdanek are clearly false and need to be Revised.
Majdanek was a horrible tragedy but the death toll is now believed by mainstream scholars to be closer to
78,000 dead.

[/quote]The revisions you want, have already been done. [/quote]

Yes, honest researchers have made A decent start but Believer fanatics are trying to erase the scholarship of the last several years.
See the attempt of the Believer Exaggerationists at the USHMM.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... f-research

The total number of prisoners to go through the Majdanek main camp has not yet been recalculated consistent with the latest research..

"The number of Jewish prisoners who died in Majdanek’s subcamps between October 1943 and January 1945 is not known. Hence, at a minimum, between 95,000 and 130,000 prisoners died in the Majdanek system between November 1941 and January 1945. Between 89,000 and 110,000 were Jews. At least 20,000 prisoners who were not Jews died at the Majdanek main camp.

Note the conflation of Majdanek and the "Majdanek system".

The corrected figures were released by the Auschwitz State Museum in 2005...78,000 and the liars at the
USHMM are still trying to "recalculate."

What do you think of people in positions of authority who continue to grossly exaggerate the deaths in
Majdanek compared to honest Revisionists (Graf and Mattogno) who have been prosecuted or threatened for releasing honest and correct figures?

[Nessie]

Hello Nessie,
I am not sure what you mean by "survival conspiracy."

Why do you not produce any evidence of millions of Jews alive in camps and ghettos in 1944, which would prove there cannot have been mass murders?

My position is that the International Military Tribunal (at Nuremberg and first presided over by Iona Nikitchenko)
was pretty much a show trial. Its Judgment and finding of facts, whether the indictment of the Germans for the Katyn murders or the claim of 1.4 million dead at Majdanek are clearly false and need to be Revised.
Majdanek was a horrible tragedy but the death toll is now believed by mainstream scholars to be closer to
78,000 dead.

The revisions you want, have already been done.

Yes, honest researchers have made A decent start but Believer fanatics are trying to erase the scholarship of the last several years.
See the attempt of the Believer Exaggerationists at the USHMM.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/ ... f-research

The total number of prisoners to go through the Majdanek main camp has not yet been recalculated consistent with the latest research..

"The number of Jewish prisoners who died in Majdanek’s subcamps between October 1943 and January 1945 is not known. Hence, at a minimum, between 95,000 and 130,000 prisoners died in the Majdanek system between November 1941 and January 1945. Between 89,000 and 110,000 were Jews. At least 20,000 prisoners who were not Jews died at the Majdanek main camp.

Note the conflation of Majdanek and the "Majdanek system".

The corrected figures were released by the Auschwitz State Museum in 2005...78,000 and the liars at the
USHMM are still trying to "recalculate."

What do you think of people in positions of authority who continue to grossly exaggerate the deaths in
Majdanek compared to honest Revisionists (Graf and Mattogno) who have been prosecuted or threatened for releasing honest and correct figures?

I am not surprised there have been disagreements over the death toll for Majdanek. Graf and Mattogno are Holocaust deniers, who have broken denial laws.

[Nazgul]

Why do you not produce any evidence of millions of Jews alive in camps and ghettos in 1944, which would prove there cannot have been mass murders?

Let me present the movement of camps over time. Every single camps is verified by a Jew.

labourtrend.jpg (309.65 KiB) Viewed 484 times

[Nessie]

Why do you not produce any evidence of millions of Jews alive in camps and ghettos in 1944, which would prove there cannot have been mass murders?

Let me present the movement of camps over time. Every single camps is verified by a Jew.
labourtrend.jpg

Why do you never produce evidence of the Jewish population of each camp, in 1944?