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Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2025 7:06 am
by Fred Ziffel
Here is a brainstorming and my want to get ALL my observations on digital about the so-called Gas Chamber Bunker at Majdanek behind B41
that could not have housed a gas chamber
There are the same old same old slides plus other newer slides to demonstrate my arguments. And there are many.
It comes in 3 separate parts: CO gas related, Zyklon B or HCN gas related, and various related.
CO gas:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6gsf1sn7 ... iqa63&dl=0
Zyklon B:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/gbtcjbbs ... m9r0z&dl=0
Various:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/mw0w5rkp ... hm5ss&dl=0
Attached is a "He said she said" in regard to the bunker from people that should be in the know and a drawing I submitted to the USHMM in Washington DC as reference to the email, Note the #3 is "A" Chamber. #2 is B2 Chamber and #1 is B1 Chamber.
If any problems with the links, please let me know
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 1:10 am
by Booze
Fred, or anyone else for that matter, do you have links to videos in which guides are telling tourists that the undressing room was a gas chamber?
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:23 am
by Fred Ziffel
No video on hand.
But this sign was once in the undressing room in B41
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 3:49 pm
by Fred Ziffel
Question
See the attached photo
Can this photo be made even more sharper and clearer? I need to see the vertical seams between the boards on the outside wall of this building.
is anyone willing to assist? Thanks
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:43 pm
by Booze
Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 4:23 am
No video on hand.
But this sign was once in the undressing room in B41
it seems like YouTube has been scrubbed of all videos with tourists or student groups being told the undressing room was a gas chamber.
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 7:53 pm
by Wetzelrad
Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 3:49 pm
Question
See the attached photo
Can this photo be made even more sharper and clearer? I need to see the vertical seams between the boards on the outside wall of this building.
is anyone willing to assist? Thanks
I can't make that photo any better, but here's one from another Youtube tour video.
Link. Timestamp 7:20.
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And another from another video.
Link. Timestamp 3:00.
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Tough to discern anything from this. Are the boards tighter together where there used to be an entry room? You might need a higher quality closeup to do what you're trying to do.
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:53 pm
by Fred Ziffel
Thanks anyways
Your first photo is before 2021 so too old
the second photo is fine and I have it in my inventory yet still a bit foggy
What I am looking for is a horizontal seam about halfway up that would indicate the past doorway that was there
Did they stain over it or reboard it up? Regardless, you cannot clearly see Eric Hunt's argument on process direction through the buildings
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:18 am
by InuYasha
Were there gas chambers at all in Majdanek?
The trial report of Erich Bauer at the Berlin Court (the first Sobibor trial) in '50* defined one of the charges as follows:
"One day a transport arrived with about fifteen thousand Jewish prisoners from the Majdanek camp, where there were no gas chambers. Since the gas chamber in Sobibor was not functioning at the time, the prisoners in Camp I had to wait for several days to be exterminated. During this time they were not fed. Many of them died of starvation. When others who had received some food attacked it, the SS men, including the accused, opened fire on the crowd of these defenseless people. The accused killed at least four or five people."
Düsseldorf Majdanek Trial, '81**
(excerpt from the guilty verdict presented to the KL personnel):
"The selections for gassing, which began in late autumn 1942 and continued in the spring and summer of 1943, were a terrible burden for the prisoners, especially the Jews. […] The gassing always took place in the same way. The prisoners selected for execution were driven into a barracks and there, after undressing, were pushed into one of the gas chambers. As soon as the door was hermetically sealed behind them, carbon monoxide or Zyklon B was released into the chamber."
This is very strange. In 1950, there were "no gas chambers" in Majdanek, and in 1981 gassings were already taking place. Has the official narrative about Majdanek changed during this time, or is this an error in the Berlin court's determination?
*Berlin Regional Court, op. cit., p. 3.
**Landgericht Düsseldorf, Urteil Hackmann u. a., (Land Court of Düsseldorf, Judgment in the Case of Hackmann and Others), XVII 1/75, Volume I, pp. 86 et seq.
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:09 am
by Booze
Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 04, 2025 10:53 pm
What I am looking for is a
horizontal seam about halfway up that would indicate the past doorway that was there
Did they stain over it or reboard it up? Regardless, you cannot clearly see Eric Hunt's argument on process direction through the buildings
I don't think there is a horizontal seam in that photo.
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 5:42 am
by Fred Ziffel
Here is the latest rundown from Germar. I do not agree with Majdanek since no one I know made any decoration or statement that Zyklon B was not used
see attached
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:58 pm
by Booze
InuYasha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:18 am
Were there gas chambers at all in Majdanek?
The trial report of Erich Bauer at the Berlin Court (the first Sobibor trial) in '50* defined one of the charges as follows:
"One day a transport arrived with about fifteen thousand Jewish prisoners
from the Majdanek camp, where there were no gas chambers. Since the gas chamber in Sobibor was not functioning at the time, the prisoners in Camp I had to wait for several days to be exterminated. During this time they were not fed. Many of them died of starvation. When others who had received some food attacked it, the SS men, including the accused, opened fire on the crowd of these defenseless people. The accused killed at least four or five people."
Düsseldorf Majdanek Trial, '81**
(excerpt from the guilty verdict presented to the KL personnel):
"The selections for gassing, which began in late autumn 1942 and continued in the spring and summer of 1943, were a terrible burden for the prisoners, especially the Jews. […] The gassing always took place in the same way. The prisoners selected for execution were driven into a barracks and there, after undressing, were pushed into one of the gas chambers. As soon as the door was hermetically sealed behind them, carbon monoxide or Zyklon B was released into the chamber."
This is very strange. In 1950, there were "no gas chambers" in Majdanek, and in 1981 gassings were already taking place. Has the official narrative about Majdanek changed during this time, or is this an error in the Berlin court's determination?
*Berlin Regional Court, op. cit., p. 3.
**Landgericht Düsseldorf, Urteil Hackmann u. a., (Land Court of Düsseldorf, Judgment in the Case of Hackmann and Others), XVII 1/75, Volume I, pp. 86 et seq.
InuYasha please give your source
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 12:04 am
by Wetzelrad
Fred Ziffel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 5:42 am
Here is the latest rundown from Germar. I do not agree with Majdanek since no one I know made any decoration or statement that Zyklon B was not used
see attached
Yeah, that doesn't make sense. The
Majdanek page gives a good explanation of what was and is no longer claimed, but it doesn't claim that Zyklon is totally abandoned. It might be difficult to include Majdanek in that table at all because all the claims have been dialed back without being abandoned.
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:35 am
by Fred Ziffel
I speculate that the staff themselves know that Zyklon played no role in any gassings at Majdanek. If they could be confronted on camera by Mr. Rudolf, both CO and Zyklon GC claims would die
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 11:29 am
by InuYasha
Booze wrote: ↑Thu Jun 05, 2025 8:58 pm
InuYasha please give your source
The documents themselves from the Düsseldorf regional courts and the ruling of June 30, 1981 can be found on a German legal website, it should be on one of the pages there:
https://dejure.org/dienste/vernetzung/r ... 0Ks%201/75
The exact mention that there were no gas chambers in Majdanek is contained in point 6 of the indictment of Berlin land court (1950, during first Sobibor trial):
https://junsv.nl/seiten?tx_junsv_pi2%5B ... ca6fbbad6d
The original definition states:
"6. Transport aus Maidanek.
Einmal kam ein Transport jüdischer Häftlinge in einer Stärke von ungefähr 15000 Mann aus
dem Lager Maidanek, das keine Vergasungsanlage besass, zum Vergasen an.".
It can be translated as:
"6. Transport from Maidanek.
On one occasion, a transport of Jewish prisoners, approximately 15,000 strong, arrived from the
Maidanek camp, which had no gassing facility, to be gassed."
It turns out that, according to the original version, there were no gas chambers in Majdanek.
At what point did the Zionists and exterminationists include the gassings in Majdanek in the Holocaust narrative?
Re: Majdanek this and that
Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 12:10 am
by Fred Ziffel
Here is what I found in regard to this even of no GCs at Majdanek