The CODOH Revisionist Forum

Callafangers wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2026 8:10 pm Nonetheless, even regarding the documents shared in my last post, I consider that an interpretation of forgery may be unnecessary, e.g. I suggest:

4) Rauff was a casual and simply spoke out of ignorance; also, there were some CO experiments for delousing purposes around this time.
5) Turner refers to a "delousing van" explicitly and mentions he had to obtain it on his own (with local SD help; not provisioned automatically) -- this in any case (even if for homicide, which isn't apparent since a literal delousing interpretation remains valid) reflects his own individual pursuit, not any larger German policy.
9) Numerous problems with this document, from medical, engineering, and security logic to inconsistent and abnormal phrasing and a lack of corroboration (e.g. radio messages). Possible forgery, and not even clearly referring to Jews (mentions "detainees" / Häftlinge).
10) The Just memo; absurd logistics and timeline if interpreted as homicidal, especially when compared with Becker letter and timeline (Becker's alleged travels are completely incoherent).

I feel you have to go through these slowly.

Well lookihg at #4 I'd say off the bat Rauff is also implicated in #9 - the letter is to him , and makes clear they're about homicidal vans.

"The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. "

I think it's wild you refer to this as a "possibly forgery" (within your viewpoint that were no state sponsored gassings). I mean I suppose it is possible that the writer of this letter was having schizophrenic break from reality and just imagined that they were using gas vans, or was playing a prank, but I don't think hypotheses like that can be taken seriously. Any other ones?

bombsaway wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2026 2:47 pm https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... to_16.html

On 9 November 1942, the leader of 10th company of SS-Polizeiregiment 15, Helmut Saur, reported that the men were employed for "guarding at the assembly point, securing the individual transports to the execution site, which was about 4 km outside Pinsk". He goes on that "10,000 people were executed. On 30 October, the ghetto was searched through for second time, on 31 October for the third time and on 1 November for the fourth time. A total of about 15,000 Jews were brought to the assembly point. Sick Jews and some children left in the houses were immediately executed in the ghetto in the courtyard. In the ghetto, about 1,200 Jews were executed." (VEJ 8, document 219).

It is absolutely trivial to find documents that revisionists will find suspicious here. I could go on for hours, days. It seems like willful self-ignorance at this point.

It seems you are very focused on shootings which will skew things greatly. On Einsatzgruppen, I would not believe those numbers even if you had a million documents. If you are really serious about this line of argument I would recommend separating "documents" among several distinct categories. I already explained this in my first reply but I will repeat myself since you didn't address anything.

Here are some suggested categories
1) Stationary gas chambers (maybe a subgroup for euthanasia)
2) Gas vans
3) Ausrottung/vernichtung sort of documents
4) Einsatzgruppen

Many (not all) purportedly incriminating documents can be resolved interpretationally. For instance, I don't need to argue that the document below was forged to deal with it. They just pulled it out of context. This is one of very few Nuremberg "gassing" documents.



Do you claim to have dozens of compelling gas van documents? If so why do people always cite the same two over and over? You claimed only "5 or 6" in the OP. Taking that as given for sake of argument, that doesn't to me like an impossible degree of forgery.

If it can be shown that the number of truly unexplainable documents (perhaps there would need to categories for this as well, i.e., for something purely numerical vs more substantial difficulties) is much higher than I am assuming then I would acknowledge that revisionists would need to develop a more comprehensive explanations for potential large scale forgery.

One more point on Einsatzgruppen, you seem to take "incriminating" to mean any killing of Jews but I don't think that's the relevant standard in the Holocaust debate since shooting deaths are (generally) admitted to an extent, with most revisionists arguing primarily that the numbers are wildly inflated. It seems like you are presenting a bit of a false dichotomy of "no shootings" and the six million.

I'd say what Israel is doing in Gaza is genocidal and their larger policy is genocidal. There is an aim at reducing or damaging the population beyond any reasonable military objective.

Of course this is a spectrum and we could say all war has a genocidal aspect. Israeli acts are beyond a certain threshold of brutality where I would say yes it is, but in truth the Nazis make the Israelis look like the doviest of doves.

Precise numbers don't matter much, because the documents speak of a systematic campaign of going to into cities and villages where ghettoized Jews are, saying we're going to resettle you, and then killing virtually everyone. This didn't happen once but across hundreds of localities. This alone elevates the Holocaust above any other act in recent history on the genocide scale, (aside from other things the Nazis did)

If you're agreed that the SS police shootings would constitute the most extreme genocidal act in recent history, then I will happily move on. I just think you deny this too, because at your heart you are a cartoon conspiracist