Where were the Jews, in 1944?

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Re: Where were the Jews, in 1944?

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Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 9:06 am You found 4, thinking you had found 6.

The issue is that you cannot evidence millions alive in camps in 1944, which, since there is an evidence trail for the handful who did survive, means that survival leaves evidence, and you have none.
You failed to investigate your own question. They are all Jews. Read their testimony carefully, there are plenty more examples. You asked for information and got some. No one has claimed that millions of Jews were sent to the Kaiserwald, specifically Mezaparks, but a trend noticed over many years, and many many more names given above is that Stuthoff is the return point for these Jews.

It was also mentioned by a German, previously cited at RODOH, the Jews and other workers lived in cardboard huts in mid winter. I bet you cry when your power goes out for an hour in winter.

The millions went east, many could not handle it, some shot for various infractions, they went to Belarus, Latvia and Ukraine all in work camps of one sort or another. It is interesting with you that Korherr lied about Jews going East but is correct about his analysis of the number of Jews in Europe.
You trust this man when it suits you. He also used Sonderbehandlung which is the term for 14f13.
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Re: Where were the Jews, in 1944?

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Nazgul wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 9:23 am
Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 9:06 am You found 4, thinking you had found 6.

The issue is that you cannot evidence millions alive in camps in 1944, which, since there is an evidence trail for the handful who did survive, means that survival leaves evidence, and you have none.
You failed to investigate your own question. They are all Jews. Read their testimony carefully, there are plenty more examples. You asked for information and got some. No one has claimed that millions of Jews were sent to the Kaiserwald, specifically Mezaparks, but a trend noticed over many years, and many many more names given above is that Stuthoff is the return point for these Jews.

It was also mentioned by a German, previously cited at RODOH, the Jews and other workers lived in cardboard huts in mid winter. I bet you cry when your power goes out for an hour in winter.
You found a Pole and a Lithuanian and tried to pass them off as Germans, transported to Latvia. That is evidence to prove how few Germans sent to Latvia were still alive in 1944. You found 4.
The millions went east, many could not handle it, some shot for various infractions, they went to Belarus, Latvia and Ukraine all in work camps of one sort or another. It is interesting with you that Korherr lied about Jews going East but is correct about his analysis of the number of Jews in Europe.
You trust this man when it suits you. He also used Sonderbehandlung which is the term for 14f13.
There is evidence of millions being put onto transports heading east (or north for the Southern European Jews). Korherr did not lie about Jews being transported east. Please evidence millions of Jews in Belarus, Latvia and Ukraine in 1944.
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Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 9:36 am You found a Pole and a Lithuanian and tried to pass them off as Germans, transported to Latvia. That is evidence to prove how few Germans sent to Latvia were still alive in 1944.
Are German Jews different to other Jews?
There is evidence of millions being put onto transports heading east (or north for the Southern European Jews). Korherr did not lie about Jews being transported east. Please evidence millions of Jews in Belarus, Latvia and Ukraine in 1944.
Korherr is the evidence as well as the Belarus govt, the Ukrainian camps fixing roads and railways.

The late Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Belarus, Vladimir Makei made brief mention of the number of judenlager in Belarus Ostland during those dark times:
more than 260 concentration camps including more than 70 Jewish ghettos. mfa.gov.by
As each camp could hold about 2,000 I think the math is easy.
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Re: Where were the Jews, in 1944?

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Nazgul wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 10:05 am
Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 9:36 am You found a Pole and a Lithuanian and tried to pass them off as Germans, transported to Latvia. That is evidence to prove how few Germans sent to Latvia were still alive in 1944.
Are German Jews different to other Jews?
Obviously not. If you knew what you were doing, you would break down the task into smaller parts, such as the German Jews sent to Latvia, 1941-2, or the Dutch to Sobibor in 1943, or the Hungarians to A-B in 1944 and then evidence where they were in 1944.
There is evidence of millions being put onto transports heading east (or north for the Southern European Jews). Korherr did not lie about Jews being transported east. Please evidence millions of Jews in Belarus, Latvia and Ukraine in 1944.
Korherr is the evidence as well as the Belarus govt, the Ukrainian camps fixing roads and railways.
Korherr himself said that he was told the Jews going east were being resettled in the Lublin area. If that was the case, there would be evidence of a huge camp population in the Lublin area.
The late Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Belarus, Vladimir Makei made brief mention of the number of judenlager in Belarus Ostland during those dark times:
more than 260 concentration camps including more than 70 Jewish ghettos. mfa.gov.by
As each camp could hold about 2,000 I think the math is easy.
That is your theory, now evidence it.
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Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 10:16 am Korherr himself said that he was told the Jews going east were being resettled in the Lublin area. If that was the case, there would be evidence of a huge camp population in the Lublin area.
Korherr said:
Transportation of Jews from the eastern Provinces to the Russian East: . . . . . . . .1,449,692 Jews

the following numbers transited through the camps in the General Government . . . .1,274,166 Jews

through the camps in the Warthegau . . . . . . . . . . . . . .145,301 Jews


This is the Lublin district.
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Korherr said in a letter he sent to the German magazine Der Spiegel in July 1977

The statement that I had mentioned that over a million Jews had died in the camps of the Generalgouvernement and the Warthegau through special treatment is also inaccurate. I must protest against the word 'died' in this context. It was the very word 'Sonderbehandlung' ['special treatment'] that led me to call the RSHA by phone and ask what this word meant. I was given the answer that these were Jews who were settled [angesiedelt] in the Lublin district.

Here are the camps in the GG 42, work out where Lublin is and hey look at the camps.
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Korherr was lied to. Special treatment meant euthansia of the invalids.
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Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 10:16 am That is your theory, now evidence it.
Why do you not do any work but just ask to evidence without providing anything of substance, little evidence. That is the average number in camps considering how many there were. Nazi Germany and its allies established over 44000 concentration camps and incarceration sites (labour camps) during the War. If you think these could not house millions of Jews, reconsider. Your issue is that when we discuss macro event, macro number of camps you then instantly demand evidence of micro stuff like individual camps, which you know stuff all exists. When we discuss individual camps and events you immediately go to the macro stuff. Not sure if you contribute much except to troll.
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Re: Where were the Jews, in 1944?

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Nazgul wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 11:03 am
Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 10:16 am Korherr himself said that he was told the Jews going east were being resettled in the Lublin area. If that was the case, there would be evidence of a huge camp population in the Lublin area.
Korherr said:
Transportation of Jews from the eastern Provinces to the Russian East: . . . . . . . .1,449,692 Jews

the following numbers transited through the camps in the General Government . . . .1,274,166 Jews

through the camps in the Warthegau . . . . . . . . . . . . . .145,301 Jews


This is the Lublin district.
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Korherr said in a letter he sent to the German magazine Der Spiegel in July 1977

The statement that I had mentioned that over a million Jews had died in the camps of the Generalgouvernement and the Warthegau through special treatment is also inaccurate. I must protest against the word 'died' in this context. It was the very word 'Sonderbehandlung' ['special treatment'] that led me to call the RSHA by phone and ask what this word meant. I was given the answer that these were Jews who were settled [angesiedelt] in the Lublin district.

Here are the camps in the GG 42, work out where Lublin is and hey look at the camps.
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Korherr was lied to. Special treatment meant euthansia of the invalids.
Ok, you agree millions of Jews had not been resettled in the Lublin area, by 1944. So, where were they?
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Nazgul wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 11:19 am
Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 10:16 am That is your theory, now evidence it.
Why do you not do any work but just ask to evidence without providing anything of substance, little evidence. That is the average number in camps considering how many there were. Nazi Germany and its allies established over 44000 concentration camps and incarceration sites (labour camps) during the War. If you think these could not house millions of Jews, reconsider. Your issue is that when we discuss macro event, macro number of camps you then instantly demand evidence of micro stuff like individual camps, which you know stuff all exists. When we discuss individual camps and events you immediately go to the macro stuff. Not sure if you contribute much except to troll.
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IOW, you cannot evidence millions of Jews, in those camps, in 1944.
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Nazgul wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 11:19 am
Why do you not do any work but just ask to evidence without providing anything of substance, little evidence. That is the average number in camps considering how many there were. Nazi Germany and its allies established over 44000 concentration camps and incarceration sites (labour camps) during the War. If you think these could not house millions of Jews, reconsider. Your issue is that when we discuss macro event, macro number of camps you then instantly demand evidence of micro stuff like individual camps, which you know stuff all exists. When we discuss individual camps and events you immediately go to the macro stuff. Not sure if you contribute much except to troll.
This would give an average of 136 prisoners for each concentration-labor camp if we consider the aforementioned 6 million. But we only have news of the liberation of media camps and not of the entire complex.
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If I posted a map, with lots of dots representing mass graves and said, there, evidence, you would also reply, err no, we need more than that. So, I want more than dots on maps. I want camp names, and population figures.
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Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 6:37 am
curioussoul wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 9:48 pm
borjastick wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 3:23 pmFor the hard of understanding (read fucking dumb assholes) exact figures were never known, could not be known and will never be known.
Not known = they were all gassed, according to the official story. That's literally the official explanation. Since we have no idea what happened, they must have been gassed.
Wrong.

1 - There is evidence they were gassed.
2 - There is no evidence of millions still alive in 1944.
3 - They must have been gassed.

You cannot dispute that, so you misrepresent it by missing out part 1.
(1) There's evidence they weren't gassed. You've ignored this.
(2) Yes, there is. Not that 'millions alive in 1944' is in any way a standard for whether they were gassed or not.
(3) Clearly not (see above).
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Re: Where were the Jews, in 1944?

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curioussoul wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 7:31 pm
Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 6:37 am
curioussoul wrote: Mon May 26, 2025 9:48 pm

Not known = they were all gassed, according to the official story. That's literally the official explanation. Since we have no idea what happened, they must have been gassed.
Wrong.

1 - There is evidence they were gassed.
2 - There is no evidence of millions still alive in 1944.
3 - They must have been gassed.

You cannot dispute that, so you misrepresent it by missing out part 1.
(1) There's evidence they weren't gassed. You've ignored this.
(2) Yes, there is. Not that 'millions alive in 1944' is in any way a standard for whether they were gassed or not.
(3) Clearly not (see above).
If millions were not gassed or shot, then millions were still alive in 1944. You say there is evidence, please produce it so we can discuss it. Dots on a map is not enough.
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Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 6:04 pm So, I want more than dots on maps. I want camp names, and population figures.
No one cares what you want. Each of the dots in those pics represents a camp not just Jews except for the dots in the deutschland-ein-denkmal.de map. The authors of this map took their site offline immediately after you were given their web address. They were not a revisionist group but did extensive research into all the camps of the Reich and territories. Each of the Labour camps for Jews was mentioned to exist by at least a single person. From memory a few years ago to try and argue there was only about 20 camps, due to ignorance of the true extent of the camps system. You were not aware of millions working for the Todt and Schmelt organizations, not all Jews of course. We here are not interested in what you think or want as you are only here to troll and disrupt.
Most here are satisfied there were close to 44 thousand camps of all kinds.
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Nazgul wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 8:30 am
Nessie wrote: Tue May 27, 2025 6:04 pm So, I want more than dots on maps. I want camp names, and population figures.
No one cares what you want. Each of the dots in those pics represents a camp not just Jews except for the dots in the deutschland-ein-denkmal.de map. The authors of this map took their site offline immediately after you were given their web address. They were not a revisionist group but did extensive research into all the camps of the Reich and territories. Each of the Labour camps for Jews was mentioned to exist by at least a single person. From memory a few years ago to try and argue there was only about 20 camps, due to ignorance of the true extent of the camps system. You were not aware of millions working for the Todt and Schmelt organizations, not all Jews of course. We here are not interested in what you think or want as you are only here to troll and disrupt.
Most here are satisfied there were close to 44 thousand camps of all kinds.
If I show you a map covered in dots and state that is evidence to prove millions of Jews in mass graves, will you accept that as proof? Yes or no.
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Nessie wrote: Wed May 28, 2025 8:49 am If I show you a map covered in dots and state that is evidence to prove millions of Jews in mass graves, will you accept that as proof? Yes or no.
Fangers has the evidence in the archives section which you quoted. The information that is currently known to exist is there. Do some work.
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