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Re: Criticism of Jews as a Collective (Not Just as Individuals) is Ethical and Warranted

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HansHill wrote: Tue Dec 23, 2025 3:06 pm
Nessie wrote: Tue Dec 23, 2025 2:46 pm
"UKLFI provided photographic evidence of Dr Kriesels attending multiple pro-Palestinian demonstrations in London holding a hand-drawn placard depicting the Israeli flag alongside the words: “rape, steal, cry, kill, cheat, lie.”

This sign, aimed at Israelis as a whole, [Israel as a political entity and racist, apatheid ethno-state] constitutes an sweeping [accurate, anti-]racist generalisation and a clear example of [political expression] that [has NOTHING TO DO with race or ethnicity so can not be misrepresented as] antisemitism [except by anti-semites who falsely and dangerously equate Israel with ALL Jews].
She carried the placard at events on 4 June, 19 July, and 6 September 2025, and was also photographed giving an obscene gesture towards Jewish counter-demonstrators [ha-ha-ha :lol: ]

The UKLFI complaint highlighted that Dr Kriesels publicly characterised Hamas as “oppressed resistance fighters” and “not terrorists,” potentially breaching Section 12(1A) of the Terrorism Act 2000, which prohibits expressing support for a designated terrorist organisation."
This is why the world is laughing at the UK. You posted this excerpt thinking that this justifies an arrest? Laughable.
Regretably poor Nessie has psychological issue. But that is no excuse for her supporting the erosion of our civil liberties and for spreading zionist deceits.
So I corrected her racist, genocide-supporting nonsense [above]. :)

Here’s another person from the NHS, also attacked by zionists for her legitimate political views in the UK, commenting on Dr Kriesel’s suspension:
…the UK 'israel' lobby and British jewish supremacists doxxed her, smeared her in the papers, and succeeded in getting her suspended.

Why? Because of a sign she held at the London national demo for Palestine and for exercising her freedom of speech to call out jewish supremacy (zionism).

The irony is palpable. Their message is: "Don't call us jewish supremacists; we are the victims, and 'anti-Semitism' is rife. So now we will attack you like an organised mafia and use our links in the media and the NHS to ruin your career and life."

They don't want us to say jewish supremacy because it prevents them from claiming false victimhood or crying 'anti-Semitism,' which would then expose their jewish privilege and exceptionalism.

Ellen could have said the exact same thing about Christianity or Islam; she could have criticised any country or even the UK itself in the same manner, and she would not have been attacked like this.

Our freedom of speech in Britain stops at 'israel' and any criticism of jewish behaviour.

@WhitHealth, our NHS, and Britain are well and truly occupied by jewish supremacy (zionism).

This pattern of abuse is outrageous.
Ellen did not say or do anything wrong.


These are just two cases amongst hundreds of jews-for-Israel subverting the law:

https://open.substack.com/pub/jonathanc ... medium=ios

https://open.substack.com/pub/craigmurr ... edium=ios⁩

https://open.substack.com/pub/craigmurr ... medium=ios

https://consortiumnews.com/2025/12/10/j ... ne-action/
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Re: Criticism of Jews as a Collective (Not Just as Individuals) is Ethical and Warranted

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Wahrheitssucher wrote: Tue Dec 23, 2025 6:54 pm
HansHill wrote: Tue Dec 23, 2025 3:06 pm
Nessie wrote: Tue Dec 23, 2025 2:46 pm
"UKLFI provided photographic evidence of Dr Kriesels attending multiple pro-Palestinian demonstrations in London holding a hand-drawn placard depicting the Israeli flag alongside the words: “rape, steal, cry, kill, cheat, lie.”

This sign, aimed at Israelis as a whole, [Israel as a political entity and racist, apatheid ethno-state] constitutes an sweeping [accurate, anti-]racist generalisation and a clear example of [political expression] that [has NOTHING TO DO with race or ethnicity so can not be misrepresented as] antisemitism [except by anti-semites who falsely and dangerously equate Israel with ALL Jews].
She carried the placard at events on 4 June, 19 July, and 6 September 2025, and was also photographed giving an obscene gesture towards Jewish counter-demonstrators [ha-ha-ha :lol: ]

The UKLFI complaint highlighted that Dr Kriesels publicly characterised Hamas as “oppressed resistance fighters” and “not terrorists,” potentially breaching Section 12(1A) of the Terrorism Act 2000, which prohibits expressing support for a designated terrorist organisation."
This is why the world is laughing at the UK. You posted this excerpt thinking that this justifies an arrest? Laughable.
Regretably poor Nessie has psychological issue. But that is no excuse for her supporting the erosion of our civil liberties and for spreading zionist deceits.
So I corrected her racist, genocide-supporting nonsense [above]. :)

Here’s another person from the NHS, also attacked by zionists for her legitimate political views in the UK, commenting on Dr Kriesel’s suspension:
…the UK 'israel' lobby and British jewish supremacists doxxed her, smeared her in the papers, and succeeded in getting her suspended.

Why? Because of a sign she held at the London national demo for Palestine and for exercising her freedom of speech to call out jewish supremacy (zionism).

The irony is palpable. Their message is: "Don't call us jewish supremacists; we are the victims, and 'anti-Semitism' is rife. So now we will attack you like an organised mafia and use our links in the media and the NHS to ruin your career and life."

They don't want us to say jewish supremacy because it prevents them from claiming false victimhood or crying 'anti-Semitism,' which would then expose their jewish privilege and exceptionalism.

Ellen could have said the exact same thing about Christianity or Islam; she could have criticised any country or even the UK itself in the same manner, and she would not have been attacked like this.

Our freedom of speech in Britain stops at 'israel' and any criticism of jewish behaviour.

@WhitHealth, our NHS, and Britain are well and truly occupied by jewish supremacy (zionism).

This pattern of abuse is outrageous.
Ellen did not say or do anything wrong.
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Re: A proper Sonthofen thread (Himmler's speeches)

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bombsaway wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 5:46 pm …I believe the Holocaust happened…
This is either:
i.) a moronic statement by a dimwitted person,
or
ii.) a deliberately deceitful statement designed to reduce discussion to an oversimplified and idiotic dichotomy that stupid people won’t notice.

[Mod comment: no ad hominem, please.]
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Re: Best case for the Holocaust.

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HansHill wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 9:32 pm 6) The Need For Conspiracy pt II – The user suggests that this hoax conspiracy requires millions of people acting in unison to prolong the Holocaust hoax. No it doesn’t, and this is not how large scale conspiracies, such as WMDs were propagated. It simply requires millions of survivors to each consider themselves, and themselves alone, as surivors. Consider – X million Jews subsumed into the interior of the Soviet Union. Each Jew considers him/herself and their family as lucky survivors. No conspiracy needed at the million scale.
Isn't it true that Jews have a tendency to talk about their experiences, particularly if they were really difficult? You might frame this as complaining, seeking sympathy, vindictiveness towards the abuser, exploiting their trauma.

So I think the answer to the question - why would they talk? - is obvious. Why wouldn't they talk, that's what you have to describe. And when you get into that, you will see why a perfect "no leak" conspiracy involving millions is required for your belief system to remain intact.
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Re: Best case for the Holocaust.

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bombsaway wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 10:34 pm
HansHill wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 9:32 pm 6) The Need For Conspiracy pt II – The user suggests that this hoax conspiracy requires millions of people acting in unison to prolong the Holocaust hoax. No it doesn’t, and this is not how large scale conspiracies, such as WMDs were propagated. It simply requires millions of survivors to each consider themselves, and themselves alone, as surivors. Consider – X million Jews subsumed into the interior of the Soviet Union. Each Jew considers him/herself and their family as lucky survivors. No conspiracy needed at the million scale.
Isn't it true that Jews have a tendency to talk about their experiences, particularly if they were really difficult? You might frame this as complaining, seeking sympathy, vindictiveness towards the abuser, exploiting their trauma.

So I think the answer to the question - why would they talk? - is obvious. Why wouldn't they talk, that's what you have to describe. And when you get into that, you will see why a perfect "no leak" conspiracy involving millions is required for your belief system to remain intact.
bombs, I know I didn't really explain this, but in the essay discussion threads can we try to stay more focused on substantive reviews of the original essay (like what Hans posted) rather than having back-and-forth discussion on individual points, most of which already have dedicated threads? If you want to participate in the essay discussion, you don't necessarily need to post anything as long as what Hans did but at least tell us what you thought of the essay and give us some high-level commentary. Otherwise it will quickly end up being a bunch of reactions to the reactions to the reactions ... on a bunch of miscellaneous topics.

ETA: Maybe we can loosen it up at some point, but let's at least give people some time to read and review it before letting it degenerate into a general debate thread with no thematic focus.
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Re: Reviews for Best Case - Essay #2 (Archie)

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I think the definition on wikipedia is pretty good

The Holocaust (/ˈhɒləkɔːst/ ⓘ HOL-ə-kawst),[1] known in Hebrew as the Shoah (/ˈʃoʊə/ ⓘ SHOH-ə; Hebrew: שּׁוֹאָה, romanized: Shoah, IPA: [ʃoˈʔa], lit. 'Catastrophe'), was the genocide of European Jews during World War II. From 1941 to 1945, Nazi Germany and its collaborators systematically murdered some six million Jews across German-occupied Europe, around two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population. The murders were committed primarily through mass shootings across Eastern Europe and poison gas chambers in extermination camps, chiefly Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, and Chełmno in occupied Poland.

The only thing to be quibbled with here is the 6 million, I think I would revise that to between 5-6, though saying 'some' indicates a level of approximation already

I glanced through your essay Archie and I don't have much to say. I'm not impressed at being able to take a devil's advocate position in theory. More impressive would be highlighting the arguments you believe are strongest and actually engaging with them, which you haven't done, eg you've avoided discussion of the conspiracy you believe in (or lack thereof) and resettlement - see this thread https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=663&start=15
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Re: Reviews for Best Case - Essay #2 (Archie)

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bombsaway wrote: Tue Jan 27, 2026 12:54 am I think the definition on wikipedia is pretty good

The Holocaust (/ˈhɒləkɔːst/ ⓘ HOL-ə-kawst),[1] known in Hebrew as the Shoah (/ˈʃoʊə/ ⓘ SHOH-ə; Hebrew: שּׁוֹאָה, romanized: Shoah, IPA: [ʃoˈʔa], lit. 'Catastrophe'), was the genocide of European Jews during World War II. From 1941 to 1945, Nazi Germany and its collaborators systematically murdered some six million Jews across German-occupied Europe, around two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population. The murders were committed primarily through mass shootings across Eastern Europe and poison gas chambers in extermination camps, chiefly Auschwitz-Birkenau, Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, and Chełmno in occupied Poland.

The only thing to be quibbled with here is the 6 million, I think I would revise that to between 5-6, though saying 'some' indicates a level of approximation already

I glanced through your essay Archie and I don't have much to say. I'm not impressed at being able to take a devil's advocate position in theory. More impressive would be highlighting the arguments you believe are strongest and actually engaging with them, which you haven't done, eg you've avoided discussion of the conspiracy you believe in (or lack thereof) and resettlement - see this thread https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=663&start=15
This is not an adequate review.
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Re: Why does SanityCheck evade the Physical Evidence Question?

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Stubble wrote: Mon Feb 09, 2026 2:43 am Wait, they get to just make new shit up on the fly? No, god damit, they have to go find supporting testimony from their damn stars...

I call bullshit on this 'build your own holocaust' method of history. They have to use the brick and mortar they have on hand, can't go ordering new shit 80 years later because it's stupid and doesn't work.
There is clearly a lot of history and evidence you don't know about. That does not make it "new shit".

Fact is, the scientific theory about HCN levels and PB Sanity Check is supporting, is backed by the historical evidence of how the Kremas were used. So-called revisionism has had 80 plus years to produce an evidenced revised use of the Kremas and it has failed, meaning the scientific theory you support, from Rudolf, is contradicted or at least not supported by the evidence.

When you say "a rolled up newspaper and some twigs 'just to start cremation' was sufficient" you are distorting the evidence, in a way that is designed to support your argument from incredulity. When you say "You can't properly vent LK-1 in half an hour either." you are correct, as the witnesses described having to wear gas masks as there was still gas within the chamber. The Topf & Sons engineer responsible for the ventilation was confident it worked and that you do not believe him, nor the other witnesses and think, somehow, Germans could not get LK-1 to vent, it not evidence to prove there were no gassings.

Your claim here is plain wrong, "Ultimately, in our disagreement, at its core, I can't show you the living, and you can't show me the dead. In my defense, human remains are significantly easier to find after 80 years than a footprint.". Historians and archaeologists can show you where the dead ended up. How the Nazis disposed of remains at the different camps and massacre sites, is evidenced by numerous, corroborating sources. When they cremated remains and dumped that into rivers, or mixed it into the ground in a haphazard way, they were deliberately making them difficult to find. Historians can also track the living, made easier by the Nazis not destroying many transport, ghetto and camp records. The living also leave a lot of witness evidence. Despite that, so-called revisionism cannot provide a new chronological narrative, that has millions of Jews in the camps and ghettos in 1944 and liberated in 1945, which is what would have happened if the millions of arrested Jews had been kept alive.

So, your ignorance and distortion of the historical narrative, your reliance on an illogical argument and your inability to provide an evidence revised history, all explain why you are wrong. Neither Sanity Check, nor anyone else who participates here, avoids the "Physical Evidence Question". That you are not convinced by our answers is not evidence to prove mass gassings did not happen.
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Re: The Actual Jewish Death Toll

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Stubble wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 5:44 am Around 2,300,000 'missing' and 602,511 missing presumed dead under the stewardship of 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔗𝔥𝔦𝔯𝔡 ℜ𝔢𝔦𝔠𝔥

Natural attrition from the conditions based on other cohorts indicates roughly one and a quarter million were expected to die during the war.
While these figures focus on those 'missing,' it is crucial to recognize that genocide, as defined by the UN Genocide Convention (1948), does not only mean immediate murder. It also explicitly includes:
  • Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about a group's physical destruction, such as the systematic deprivation of food, clean water, and medical care.
  • Measures intended to prevent births, such as the forced segregation of sexes and the separation of families.
What is often categorised as 'natural' attrition was, in the context of the Shoah, a manufactured catastrophe. By the end of the war, the Nazi regime prioritized all remaining food and infrastructure for the Heer (military), leaving those in the camps to face total collapse. The collapse was not merely an accident of war; it was a policy choice. Late-war decrees, such as the Nero Decree and the WVHA ration cuts, formalised a hierarchy where the Heer consumed all remaining resources, effectively using starvation and infrastructure collapse as a passive method of genocide.

Survivors like Peter Lantos document this in memoirs like Parallel Lines, describing how his father died of starvation and heart failure just weeks before liberation because the camps were deprived of even the most basic necessities while the military was prioritized. This 'attrition'—whether from typhus, starvation, or exhaustion—was a tool of the Shoah, ensuring the destruction of many Jewish people's past, present, and biological future. The total breakdown of infrastructure at war's end made this inevitable, especially in overcrowded camps like Bergen-Belsen.
While it is generally accepted by major historical bodies that approximately 6 million Jews were killed during the Shoah (based on pre-war versus post-war demographic data suggesting a fall from 16.5 million in 1939 to 11 million by 1945), I do not agree with this figure.

My reasons for disagreeing with the 5–6 million figure are as follows:
Much of the standard narrative relies on a pre-war Jewish population figure of roughly 16.5 million. However, if one considers that these figures may have been significantly inflated prior to the World Wars—by as much as 7 million—the 'missing' figures must be viewed differently. (I have discussed this inflated data elsewhere.)
Using linear back-extrapolation from post-war population data suggests a different starting point, which in turn suggests that the total number of deaths resulting from the Shoah is closer to 1.5 million. This perspective shifts the focus from purely mass execution to the catastrophe of total infrastructure collapse, where the Heer was prioritized for resources, and the attrition caused by the prevention of births and manufactured deprivation achieved the same genocidal end.

Note: I am using the term Shoah specifically to refer to the Jewish experience, rather than "the Holocaust," which I use to include all people who died, not just one specific group.

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Research shows:

1. The "Hunger Plan" Logic (Backe-Plan)

Herbert Backe, the Reich Minister for Food, developed the Hunger Plan. Its core principle was that the German military and civilian population must be fed at all costs, even if it meant the "death of 30 million people" in occupied territories.

The Decree: As the war turned against Germany in 1944–45, this logic was applied to the camps. The SS-Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt (WVHA), which managed the camps, issued orders that rations for "non-working" prisoners (the sick, the elderly, and children) were to be cut to the absolute minimum to ensure food for the military and "productive" labourers.

2. The Transport Hierarchy (1944–1945)
In the final months, the German railway system (Deutsche Reichsbahn) was failing.
Priority Orders: Official decrees stated that military transports (Wehrmachtstransporte) had absolute priority over "evacuation" trains (the cattle cars moving prisoners away from the front).
The Result: Prisoner trains were often left on sidings for days or weeks without food or water because the tracks were reserved for moving the Heer. This created the "natural" attrition of thousands dying of dehydration and suffocation before even reaching a destination like Bergen-Belsen.

3. The "Scorched Earth" Decree (Nero Decree)
In March 1945, Hitler issued the Nero Decree (Befehl betreffend Zerstörungsmaßnahmen im Reichsgebiet).
The Command: It ordered the destruction of all German infrastructure—transport, communication, and supply stores—to prevent them from falling into Allied hands.
The Impact: This effectively severed the last supply lines to the concentration camps. While the Heer scavenged what was left, the camp populations were left with zero incoming resources, leading directly to the "hell on earth" infrastructure collapse described by Peter Lantos.

4. Belsen’s Specific Collapse
In the case of Bergen-Belsen, the camp's commandant, Josef Kramer, actually wrote to his superiors in early 1945 complaining that he had no food to give the thousands of new arrivals from the death marches.
The Response: His requests were ignored because the food was being diverted to the collapsing Eastern Front. This confirms a point: the death of Lantos's father and thousands of others was the inevitable result of the military being prioritized over the lives of those in the camps.

By April 1945, the situation in Bergen-Belsen was so catastrophic that it became a massive liability for the retreating German forces.
Kramer’s "choice" was driven by two stark realities:

The Typhus Epidemic: The "natural attrition" mentioned had manifested as a massive typhus outbreak. The Germans were terrified the disease would spread to their own retreating troops. Turning the camp over was, in part, a desperate biological quarantine measure.

A Rare Truce: In an unusual move, a local ceasefire was negotiated specifically for the area around the camp. The Heer actually helped facilitate the handover to the British 11th Armoured Division because they didn't want thousands of starving, infected people wandering into the path of their retreating armies.

As Peter Lantos highlights, by the time Kramer handed over the keys, the "infrastructure" wasn't just broken—it was non-existent. There was no food, no water, and no medical care left to give, as every resource had been vacuumed up by the military effort

The fact that Kramer remained at the camp to be arrested, rather than fleeing like many other SS officers, underscores how the "stewardship" of the Third Reich had reached its absolute dead end.

Sources:
[1] www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
[2] en.wikipedia.org
[3] www.iwm.org.uk
[4] www.bbc.co.uk
[5] www.ushmm.org
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Re: The Actual Jewish Death Toll

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The UN definition is overly broad and applies to 'Ethnic Cleansing'. Note that Ethnic Cleansing need not include Genocide.

The second World War had no shortage of misery to go around. I won't argue that jews took a share of it. They weren't alone in it and it wasn't because the German Authorities were trying to exterminate the jewish people.

There is a lot of bait in your last post, but, I'm not going to take it. I will say that our perspectives on this matter differ radically and that I feel some of the above mentioned items in your post lack the proper context.
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 6:57 am There is a lot of bait in your last post, but, I'm not going to take it. I will say that our perspectives on this matter differ radically and that I feel some of the above mentioned items in your post lack the proper context.
To understand the 1.5 million figure, one has to look at the baseline. The standard narrative relies on a pre-war 'spike' of 16.5 million that lacks a linear growth foundation. By back-extrapolating from post-war data, it becomes clear that millions of these 'victims' were likely paper inflations from the 1930s. When you remove the statistical 'ghosts' from the pre-war census, the 'missing' delta aligns much more closely with the 1.5 million deaths caused by the functional collapse and manufactured attrition I’ve described.
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You are ignoring evidence that 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔗𝔥𝔦𝔯𝔡 ℜ𝔢𝔦𝔠𝔥 made extreme efforts to reduce attrition. This involves everything from trying to form Auschwitz into a medical hub to the extreme measures (tantamount to literally billions of dollars in current monetary value) for sanitation to control and eliminate epidemics.

You are just moving the slaughter from the gas chamber to the factory line.

Sure, you have the eggs out of the basket now and so don't have to explain the lack of mass graves at the mass murder sites, but, you are still peddling the annihilation of a people, just by different means.

What happened in the shoah, wasn't intentional or planned. It was a result of losing a war.
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Stubble wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 7:26 am Sure, you have the eggs out of the basket now and so don't have to explain the lack of mass graves at the mass murder sites, but, you are still peddling the annihilation of a people, just by different means.
You say I’m "peddling annihilation," but I am actually identifying the legal and logistical reality of how it occurred.
The UN Genocide Convention (1948) defines genocide not just as "mass murder," but as the deliberate infliction of conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction. When I document the lack of food, clean water, and medicine—prioritized for the Heer—and the total infrastructure collapse, I am describing a documented method of genocide often called "Genocide by Attrition". Columbia University
  • Forensic Integrity: Identifying that death was caused by a manufactured catastrophe of disease, starvation, and industrial neglect (like the T1 Quarry) isn't "peddling" a different narrative; it's providing the forensic explanation for the lack of mass graves you've mentioned.
  • The "Means" of Destruction: Whether a person perishes from a bullet or from a 20% starvation ration and typhus in a camp where the military has seized all resources, the end result for the victim is the same. I am not denying the "annihilation"; I am identifying the industrial and administrative system that made it inevitable.
  • Statistical Reality: My point regarding "paper people" is a demographic audit. If the pre-war baseline was inflated, the "missing" are a statistical artifact. Identifying the true number of victims as 1.5 million doesn't make their deaths any less of a "catastrophe" (Shoah)—it just makes the history more accurate.
I’m not "emptying the basket"; I’m showing you that the basket was filled with the victims of a functionalist genocide—one driven by the "yellow death" of neglect and the brutal prioritization of the German war machine.
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It's an interesting choose your own, I'll give you that. You still didn't address the fact that the German Authorities made strides to reduce mortality in the camps.
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Stubble wrote: Tue Feb 24, 2026 2:27 pm It's an interesting choose your own, I'll give you that. You still didn't address the fact that the German Authorities made strides to reduce mortality in the camps.
Of course they would if people were needed for the war effort. The people in some of the camps were businessmen who exploited people in their care especially HASAG. I have written posts on their exploitation.
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