The CODOH Revisionist Forum

Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 7:47 am

Stubble wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 2:38 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 2:10 pm

I am not using my incredulity, I am going by what is and what is not evidenced. There is no evidence that Latvia is faking the evidence that Latvian Jews were murdered not just by the Einsatzgruppen, but also the Latvian Auxiliary Police. There is no evidence that the Dutch have faked the high level of assistance their civil servants gave to the Nazis, in identifying and registering Jews. There is no evidence Romania has faked its Holocaust, which had very little Nazi involvement.

You just don't understand evidencing.

Why do the Dutch, Latvians and Romanians all admit to their national role in the Holocaust, when it is a hoax?

What a clunky awkward sidestep to avoid evidencing. Stubble is correct, you may not understand evidencing.

curioussoul wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 9:28 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 7:05 am

curioussoul wrote: ↑Fri May 16, 2025 8:17 pm The actual answer to your question is that Holocaust academia wouldn't let anyone into their circle with a differing point of view or a critical approach to the Holocaust (in cases where it wouldn't have been outright illegal to hold such an opinion).

That does not explain why countries such as Latvia admit to shooting Jews, alongside the Nazis. If it had been a Soviet hoax, it would very much be in the Latvian government's interests to blow that hoax, once the SU collapsed.

Because they probably were shooting Jews in Latvia... which, again, has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

The Holocaust was the mass murder of millions of Jews during WWII. That Latvians, Lithuanians, Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians and Serbs joined with the Nazis and killed Jews, is part of the Holocaust. That authorities from Norway to Greece, France to Hungary cooperated with the identification, arrest and transportation of Jews is part of the Holocaust.

The consensus about what took place, has been agreed by every European country since 1945. All admit to their various roles. The reason why the Nazis were able to murder millions in a short space of time, was because of the huge amount of cooperation they received.

Hoaxing that collective admission, is impossible.

AreYouSirius wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 1:26 am

Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 7:47 am

Stubble wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 2:38 pm

You just don't understand evidencing.

Why do the Dutch, Latvians and Romanians all admit to their national role in the Holocaust, when it is a hoax?

What a clunky awkward sidestep to avoid evidencing. Stubble is correct, you may not understand evidencing.

He has asserted, with no explanation or examples, that I do not understand evidencing. When I make that claim, I do so with an explanation.

Why do the Dutch, Latvians, Romanians, Norwegians, Belgians, French, Italians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Austrians, Germans, Serbians, Czech, Slovakians, Slovenians, Croatians, Lithuanians and Estonians all admit to their national role in the Holocaust, when it is a hoax?

How did Denmark and Finland get to avoid being part of the hoax, by protecting their Jewish citizens from the Nazis?

Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 6:39 am

AreYouSirius wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 1:26 am

Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 14, 2025 7:47 am

Why do the Dutch, Latvians and Romanians all admit to their national role in the Holocaust, when it is a hoax?

What a clunky awkward sidestep to avoid evidencing. Stubble is correct, you may not understand evidencing.

He has asserted, with no explanation or examples, that I do not understand evidencing. When I make that claim, I do so with an explanation.

Why do the Dutch, Latvians, Romanians, Norwegians, Belgians, French, Italians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Austrians, Germans, Serbians, Czech, Slovakians, Slovenians, Croatians, Lithuanians and Estonians all admit to their national role in the Holocaust, when it is a hoax?

How did Denmark and Finland get to avoid being part of the hoax, by protecting their Jewish citizens from the Nazis?

I’m sorry, are you attempting an Evidencing right now?

AreYouSirius wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 7:05 am

Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 6:39 am

AreYouSirius wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 1:26 am

What a clunky awkward sidestep to avoid evidencing. Stubble is correct, you may not understand evidencing.

He has asserted, with no explanation or examples, that I do not understand evidencing. When I make that claim, I do so with an explanation.

Why do the Dutch, Latvians, Romanians, Norwegians, Belgians, French, Italians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Hungarians, Austrians, Germans, Serbians, Czech, Slovakians, Slovenians, Croatians, Lithuanians and Estonians all admit to their national role in the Holocaust, when it is a hoax?

How did Denmark and Finland get to avoid being part of the hoax, by protecting their Jewish citizens from the Nazis?

I’m sorry, are you attempting an Evidencing right now?

No, I am asking a question that I know so-called revisionists will struggle to answer. So, they will deflect or ignore it.

ConfusedJew wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 4:15 am

Stubble wrote: ↑Tue May 13, 2025 3:11 am The Eiffel Tower 'homicidal gas chamber' makes its appearance here in this clip.

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1000177

Notice that's from USHMM, so, nothing up my sleeve.

Of course the mock up of a gas chamber exists and you saw it. Nobody says anything different about that. It was a mock up.

What was the room used for? Read the door, it was a shower room. The OSS and Psywar dropped the ceiling and installed dummy shower heads.

Let me go grab you some receipts. If anyone beats me to them, I won't be upset.

Remember, the original claim was gas through pipes, just like the other fake gas chamber at the Eiffel Tower...

The idea was that it was not actually a shower but they made people think it was a shower. How do you know its a fake fake shower?

CJ, you do see that the United States faked a gas chamber at the Eiffel Tower on camera, right? And do you remember the claims of gas chambers at Bergen Belsen? Let me ask you, were their any gas chambers at the Eiffel Tower, or at Bergen Belsen?

Now, with this in mind, I'm going to ask you, do you think that the 'homicidal gas chamber' 'never used as a homicidal gas chamber' was indeed a 'homicidal gas chamber'?

Did you ever even bother to follow up on this at all, or apply any thought to it? Or, did you just dismiss it all out of hand, because 'the wannsee minutes explicitly talk about the genocide of the jews'?

I'm curious about your bias and I am curious about your evidence selection.

You see, on the one hand, you clown me for reading a document as it is written, but, on the other hand, here we have 3 fake gas chambers.

We can talk about the majdanek gas chambers some time if you have the time, and we can talk about the life and times of commander Koch. We could even talk about Konrad Morgen if you like.

These 'trivial details' that 'amount to just 1% of the evidence' or whatever tripe you are going to say, they are non trivial, and surely you understand truth isn't contingent on volume of jilted or coerced testimony.

Vae Victus after all...

Stubble wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 3:10 am CJ, you do see that the United States faked a gas chamber at the Eiffel Tower on camera, right? And do you remember the claims of gas chambers at Bergen Belsen? Let me ask you, were their any gas chambers at the Eiffel Tower, or at Bergen Belsen?

Now, with this in mind, I'm going to ask you, do you think that the 'homicidal gas chamber' 'never used as a homicidal gas chamber' was indeed a 'homicidal gas chamber'?

Did you ever even bother to follow up on this at all, or apply any thought to it? Or, did you just dismiss it all out of hand, because 'the wannsee minutes explicitly talk about the genocide of the jews'?

I'm curious about your bias and I am curious about your evidence selection.

I looked at that video and it didn't have very much context and didn't look at all to me like you were accurate.

Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 6:37 am

curioussoul wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 9:28 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 7:05 am

That does not explain why countries such as Latvia admit to shooting Jews, alongside the Nazis. If it had been a Soviet hoax, it would very much be in the Latvian government's interests to blow that hoax, once the SU collapsed.

Because they probably were shooting Jews in Latvia... which, again, has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

The Holocaust was the mass murder of millions of Jews during WWII. That Latvians, Lithuanians, Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians and Serbs joined with the Nazis and killed Jews, is part of the Holocaust. That authorities from Norway to Greece, France to Hungary cooperated with the identification, arrest and transportation of Jews is part of the Holocaust.

The consensus about what took place, has been agreed by every European country since 1945. All admit to their various roles. The reason why the Nazis were able to murder millions in a short space of time, was because of the huge amount of cooperation they received.

Hoaxing that collective admission, is impossible.

Auxiliary forces participating in shootings in Latvia and Lithuania has nothing to do with the Holocaust. Latvia recognizing that Latvians shot Jews carry no implications whatsoever for the Holocaust. You're clearly confused.

curioussoul wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 9:01 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 6:37 am

curioussoul wrote: ↑Tue May 20, 2025 9:28 pm

Because they probably were shooting Jews in Latvia... which, again, has nothing to do with the Holocaust.

The Holocaust was the mass murder of millions of Jews during WWII. That Latvians, Lithuanians, Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians and Serbs joined with the Nazis and killed Jews, is part of the Holocaust. That authorities from Norway to Greece, France to Hungary cooperated with the identification, arrest and transportation of Jews is part of the Holocaust.

The consensus about what took place, has been agreed by every European country since 1945. All admit to their various roles. The reason why the Nazis were able to murder millions in a short space of time, was because of the huge amount of cooperation they received.

Hoaxing that collective admission, is impossible.

Auxiliary forces participating in shootings in Latvia and Lithuania has nothing to do with the Holocaust. Latvia recognizing that Latvians shot Jews carry no implications whatsoever for the Holocaust. You're clearly confused.

That the Nazis found that they had a lot of support for the policy of killing Jews, in Eastern Europe, speeded up the Holocaust and made it more deadly for the Jews. If Latvians had been non-cooperative and had, say, behaved like the Danes, and had their Jewish citizens escape to neutral Sweden, then many more Jewish Latvians would have lived.

The reason why so many Hungarian Jews survived till 1944 and then died, is because of the protection of the Hungarian government, that was lost in 1944.

The Netherlands had the second-highest death rate of its Jewish citizens, after Poland, because the Dutch authorities were so cooperative with the Nazis, identifying, registering and arresting Jews. Poland had the highest death rate, as it ceased to exist, so its Jewish citizens had no protection at all. Jews in Free France had a higher survival rate than those in occupied France.

How occupied and aligned countries reacted to Nazi policies regarding the Jews, had a huge impact on their survival and is an integral part of the Holocaust. You do not want to acknowledge that, as it implicates pretty much all of Europe in the Holocaust and makes the hoax even more implausible.

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 8:17 am

curioussoul wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 9:01 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 21, 2025 6:37 am

The Holocaust was the mass murder of millions of Jews during WWII. That Latvians, Lithuanians, Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians and Serbs joined with the Nazis and killed Jews, is part of the Holocaust. That authorities from Norway to Greece, France to Hungary cooperated with the identification, arrest and transportation of Jews is part of the Holocaust.

The consensus about what took place, has been agreed by every European country since 1945. All admit to their various roles. The reason why the Nazis were able to murder millions in a short space of time, was because of the huge amount of cooperation they received.

Hoaxing that collective admission, is impossible.

Auxiliary forces participating in shootings in Latvia and Lithuania has nothing to do with the Holocaust. Latvia recognizing that Latvians shot Jews carry no implications whatsoever for the Holocaust. You're clearly confused.

That the Nazis found that they had a lot of support for the policy of killing Jews, in Eastern Europe, speeded up the Holocaust and made it more deadly for the Jews.

German-occupied countries arresting Jews and providing auxiliary forces for combating partisans and shooting Jews in reprisal actions carry no implications whatsoever for the historicity of the Holocaust.

curioussoul wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 8:35 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 8:17 am

curioussoul wrote: ↑Fri May 23, 2025 9:01 pm

Auxiliary forces participating in shootings in Latvia and Lithuania has nothing to do with the Holocaust. Latvia recognizing that Latvians shot Jews carry no implications whatsoever for the Holocaust. You're clearly confused.

That the Nazis found that they had a lot of support for the policy of killing Jews, in Eastern Europe, speeded up the Holocaust and made it more deadly for the Jews.

German-occupied countries arresting Jews and providing auxiliary forces for combating partisans and shooting Jews in reprisal actions carry no implications whatsoever for the historicity of the Holocaust.

Those countries and their historians would disagree with you.

Nessie wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 6:35 am

curioussoul wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 8:35 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat May 24, 2025 8:17 am

That the Nazis found that they had a lot of support for the policy of killing Jews, in Eastern Europe, speeded up the Holocaust and made it more deadly for the Jews.

German-occupied countries arresting Jews and providing auxiliary forces for combating partisans and shooting Jews in reprisal actions carry no implications whatsoever for the historicity of the Holocaust.

Those countries and their historians would disagree with you.

And what are the arguments of these countries and their historians, and what exactly are these 'admissions' you're talking about?

curioussoul wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 7:26 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 6:35 am

curioussoul wrote: ↑Mon May 26, 2025 8:35 pm

German-occupied countries arresting Jews and providing auxiliary forces for combating partisans and shooting Jews in reprisal actions carry no implications whatsoever for the historicity of the Holocaust.

Those countries and their historians would disagree with you.

And what are the arguments of these countries and their historians, and what exactly are these 'admissions' you're talking about?

For example, Quisling in Norway, the civil service and police in the Netherlands and the Auxiliary Police in Latvia. They all assisted the Nazis, in identifying, arresting and even killing Jews. Those countries still admit to their roles, rather than blowing the hoax.

Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 6:52 am

curioussoul wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 7:26 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 6:35 am

Those countries and their historians would disagree with you.

And what are the arguments of these countries and their historians, and what exactly are these 'admissions' you're talking about?

For example, Quisling in Norway, the civil service and police in the Netherlands and the Auxiliary Police in Latvia. They all assisted the Nazis, in identifying, arresting and even killing Jews. Those countries still admit to their roles, rather than blowing the hoax.

Arresting, deporting and, occassionally, shooting Jews in the OET, is not under dispute. You were implying that countries 'admitting' (what admissions, you've yet to show any) they arrested and sent Jews away is evidence of the Holocaust, which is obviously ridiculous on its face.

curioussoul wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 10:01 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 6:52 am

curioussoul wrote: ↑Tue May 27, 2025 7:26 pm

And what are the arguments of these countries and their historians, and what exactly are these 'admissions' you're talking about?

For example, Quisling in Norway, the civil service and police in the Netherlands and the Auxiliary Police in Latvia. They all assisted the Nazis, in identifying, arresting and even killing Jews. Those countries still admit to their roles, rather than blowing the hoax.

Arresting, deporting and, occassionally, shooting Jews in the OET, is not under dispute. You were implying that countries 'admitting' (what admissions, you've yet to show any) they arrested and sent Jews away is evidence of the Holocaust, which is obviously ridiculous on its face.

The identification, arrest and deportation of Jews from Nazi occupied and aligned countries, is part of the circumstantial evidence. That Denmark and Finland did not cooperate and with very few exceptions, prevented their Jewish citizens from being arrested, is why we know where they were in 1944.

As for evidence of the identification, arrests and transports, search online for "Holocaust" and then each country's name. For example, the Dutch national museum;

https://jck.nl/en/location/national-holocaust-museum

"Learn all about the Nazi persecution of the Jews in the Netherlands"

Why do the Dutch still admit to their role in assisting the Nazis, that resulted in the second highest death rate of a country's Jewish citizens, if it was a WWII, Soviet hoax?