Why Do you Guys Think the Holocaust is Fake?

[Keen]

Gee, it sure was convenient for Nessie, who was getting his ass handed to him on multiple threads and dodging like nobody but Nessie can dodge, for ConfusedJew to show up out of the blue with a provocative new thread to draw attention away from Nessie's cowardice.

[Archie]

-Lack of hard documentary evidence for an extermination program or mass scale gassing
-Lack of physical evidence for gas chambers. The Allies discovered "gas chambers" at Majdanek, Dachau, Mauthausen, etc but there were in our view mundane facilities like showers, morgues, delousing chambers, etc. These rooms lacked the technical features needed for a gas chamber. Many of these are not even claimed to be gas chambers anymore. We think all atrocity propaganda by the Allies.

The Wannsee Conference Protocol (1942) was signed by high-ranking Nazi officials and outlined the plan for the Final Solution, including mass extermination. It’s clear from this document that the Nazis intended to kill millions of Jews. Do you think that was a fake document?

Have you read the Wannsee minutes? Or have you just heard that it says that? Can you quote the part where they explicitly discuss plans of "mass extermination"? Can you quote the part where you are seeing this intention "to kill millions of Jews"?

I have read the Wannsee minutes and I do not think it supports the Holocaust story at all. Quite the opposite.

The gas chamber at Majdanek was discovered largely intact after the camp was liberated. Archaeological studies of the structure show evidence of Zyklon B residues (the pesticide used for gassing) on the walls, which is hard scientific evidence that it was indeed used for mass murder. Additionally, the crematoria at Majdanek were found with remains of victims that confirm the scale of the killings. Why else would there have been residue of Zyklon B?

Originally the Soviets/Poles claimed something like 7 different gas chambers at Majdanek. Most of these have been retracted even by the orthodox side. They are still clinging to a few of them because it would be too damning to admit it's entirely a lie, but they now claim there were only occasional gassings there and only modest numbers (78,000 from all causes, including non-Jews).

There are rooms with blue staining at Majdanek but you can't just assume that means humans were gassed in those rooms. This room for instance,



This was claimed to be a homicidal gas chamber initially and Zyklon was certainly used in this room as we can see from the staining. But there is no way to introduce Zyklon pellets into this room with people locked in. You would have to open the door and try to throw the pellets into the room. That's ridiculous and it wouldn't work. This room was for fumigations.

By the way, if you notice the sign in the pic I posted says,

Reinforced concrete chamber for the extermination of prisoners with carbon oxide. The gas was supplied by means of a conduit from the SS-man's booth. Cyclone B was also used here.

This is a weird sign, right? Why do they claim people were gassed in this room with carbon monoxide? Because of what I just said about how gassing people with Zyklon in this room wouldn't work. But they do acknowledge that Zyklon was used in the room although it is carefully worded because notice they don't say people were gassed with Zyklon in this room.

So then not only are the blue stains here not good evidence for homicidal gassings, it is rather the opposite. That they tried to pass off a fumigation chamber as a homicidal gas chamber is good reason to doubt this stuff.

The figure of six million Jews is based on estimates from multiple sources including Nazi records, demographic studies, and post-war investigations. But it is an estimate and not an exact count of every individual victim.

The Nazis themselves kept detailed records of the number of people they transported to the camps. The train schedules, transport lists, and camp registration books, provide evidence of millions of Jews being sent to camps and list kept record of nationality, gender, and age.

The six million figure was already being used in the middle of the war. It has not legitimate basis. All the post-war "calculations" were anchored in a predetermined figure. In late 1942 you see Zionist groups saying things like "2M Jews have already been killed, we must save the remaining 4M!" And by 1944 you already see people saying 6M HAD died. There's no way that could have been determined that early.

But what I was saying about the physical evidence is that if the Germans executed millions of Jews and at precisely known locations, there should be physical evidence that this occurred. The mass graves that would be commensurate with such a slaughter simply do not exist. The explanation for this is that they burned all of the bodies. Millions of bodies.

[borjastick]

By pure chance because I am a very dull bloke and having nothing exciting and joyous to do in my life only the other day I was indeed reading the Wannsee minutes. Archie is correct they do NOT discuss any form of violence or killing which I knew already but was reading them to get a better grip on the numbers.

https://holocaustresearchproject.net/ho ... nutes.html

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At the beginning of the discussion Chief of the Security Police and of the SD, SS-Obergruppenführer Heydrich, reported that the Reich Marshal had appointed him delegate for the preparations for the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe and pointed out that this discussion had been called for the purpose of clarifying fundamental questions. The wish of the Reich Marshal to have a draft sent to him concerning organizational, factual and material interests in relation to the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe makes necessary an initial common action of all central offices immediately concerned with these questions in order to bring their general activities into line. The Reichsführer-SS and the Chief of the German Police (Chief of the Security Police and the SD) was entrusted with the official central handling of the final solution of the Jewish question without regard to geographic borders. The Chief of the Security Police and the SD then gave a short report of the struggle which has been carried on thus far against this enemy, the essential points being the following:

a) the expulsion of the Jews from every sphere of life of the German people,

b) the expulsion of the Jews from the living space of the German people.

In carrying out these efforts, an increased and planned acceleration of the emigration of the Jews from Reich territory was started, as the only possible present solution.

By order of the Reich Marshal, a Reich Central Office for Jewish Emigration was set up in January 1939 and the Chief of the Security Police and SD was entrusted with the management. Its most important tasks were

a) to make all necessary arrangements for the preparation for an increased emigration of the Jews,

b) to direct the flow of emigration,

c) to speed the procedure of emigration in each individual case.

The aim of all this was to cleanse German living space of Jews in a legal manner.

Here are the claimed numbers of jews in the total area that German did control or would likely succeed in controlling if they had won all areas they were to invade. These numbers are of course estimates as we all know that jews dislike being counted. However if we take these figures in good faith and then remove the numbers from each area that Germany never controlled we can see a maximum figure of in the region of 5m. The if we subtract from that those survivor jews, those jews who would have died naturally during the period 1933 - 1945 and those jews who appeared in places where we are always told there were few if any during the war period we can get a figure way way lower than 5m.

Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final solution of the European Jewish question, distributed as follows among the individual countries:

Country Number

A. Germany proper 131,800
Austria 43,700
Eastern territories 420,000
General Government 2,284,000
Bialystok 400,000
Protectorate Bohemia and Moravia 74,200
Estonia - free of Jews -
Latvia 3,500
Lithuania 34,000
Belgium 43,000
Denmark 5,600
France / occupied territory 165,000
unoccupied territory 700,000
Greece 69,600
Netherlands 160,800
Norway 1,300

B. Bulgaria 48,000
England 330,000
Finland 2,300
Ireland 4,000
Italy including Sardinia 58,000
Albania 200
Croatia 40,000
Portugal 3,000
Rumania including Bessarabia 342,000
Sweden 8,000
Switzerland 18,000
Serbia 10,000
Slovakia 88,000
Spain 6,000
Turkey (European portion) 55,500
Hungary 742,800
USSR 5,000,000
Ukraine 2,994,684
White Russia
excluding Bialystok 446,484

Total over 11,000,000