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Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 2:18 pm
by Nessie
Google translation of the letter Korherr sent to Der Spiegle;

https://fpp.co.uk/History/General/Korhe ... 50777.html

"SPIEGEL, No. 31, 25. July 1977, pp. 12 :
THE well-known, racially persecuted writer H. G. Adler, formerly in Prague, now in London, wrote in 1960 in the preface to the second edition of his extraordinary book "Theresienstadt 1941--1945": "It was also expressly stated that the name Dr. Korherrs as a 'SS statistician' ... is not true, since he never belonged to the SS and has been rehabilitated for his behavior in the years of National Socialism."
The SPIEGEL unfortunately publishes the claim of the English historian Irving that I had calculated on Himmler's order in the spring of 1943 the number of victims of Judaism. In fact, these information was delivered by the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) fix and finished with the text with the condition to be allowed to change no number and no word.
The statement that I also had listed that more than a million Jews died in the camps of the General Government and Warthegau through special treatment is also incorrect. I must protest against the word 'died' in this context.
It was precisely the word "special treatment" that led me to the telephone inquiry at the RSHA, which this word had to mean. I got the answer that it was Jews who were based in the Lublin district.
Braunschweig
Dr. Richard Korherr"

Korherr was lied to, as there is no evidence over a million Jews being resettled around Lublin in 1943.

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2025 5:15 pm
by bombsaway
The extant Korherr report is not in itself direct Holocaust evidence. But the surrounding material around the report, the information Korherr received about Jews being kept in Lublin, Himmler's correction all point to that aspect (what evacuation entailed) being ambiguous.
The Reichsfuehrer SS has received your report about "The Final
Solution of the Jewish Problem". He does ,not want any reference to be
made anywhere to "Special Treatment of the Jews". Page 9, Section 4 must
read as follows:
"Transport of Jews from the Eastern provinces
to the Russian East:
Processed through
the camps in the Government-General
the camps in the Warthegau ...................... "
Other descriptions may not be used.
So Korherr was originally told they were given "special treatment", a self-evident code word commonly used to denote killing operations, see EG reports.

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 6:33 am
by borjastick
bombsaway wrote: Wed Jul 02, 2025 12:57 pm
borjastick wrote: Wed Jul 02, 2025 9:41 am Why is there some difficulty understanding that people who have moved to another 'continent' does not mean that those who chose to stay or couldn't leave for whatever reason are dead?

The word 'evacuate' is not difficult to understand though it could have various levels of weight to it in different languages. Eg. in French the word question is 'demand' which suggest something far stronger than a simple request or basic question or enquiry.

In the second world war youngsters including my mother were 'evacuated' away from larger towns and cities into the countryside for safety. The were not killed.
If it was a hundred million people that had been supposedly evacuated and maintained in an area without a single piece of information (even a rumor) being generated by this mass population movement, would you believe it happened?
Ah I see the exaggeration technique there mate. A common ply and one used regularly by Nessie.

There were no 100m so what on earth are you talking about.

We are talking about several million people across a vast swathe of land in many countries during war time and controlled by Communists. Please get a grip old chap.

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 6:47 am
by Nessie
borjastick wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 6:33 am ...

Ah I see the exaggeration technique there mate. A common ply and one used regularly by Nessie.
Please provide an example of that.
There were no 100m so what on earth are you talking about.

We are talking about several million people across a vast swathe of land in many countries during war time and controlled by Communists. Please get a grip old chap.
If 1.2 million Jews were being accommodated in the east, who had gone there via the AR camps, that would leave evidence. Yet, despite years of searching, so-called revisionists have none. The main attempt to find evidence was by Thomas Kues, and he failed. You cannot name the department responsible for resettlement, or any Nazi who worked there, who would have been sure to talk about their work and provide valuable evidence.

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:32 pm
by bombsaway
borjastick wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 6:33 am
We are talking about several million people across a vast swathe of land in many countries during war time and controlled by Communists. Please get a grip old chap.
2.5 million "evacuated" is the size of small country, eg Lithuania

Elsewhere you can see how much a challenge like this backfires https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=268

Even tiny population movements generate evidence.
borjastick wrote: Wed Jul 02, 2025 9:41 am Why is there some difficulty understanding that people who have moved to another 'continent' does not mean that those who chose to stay or couldn't leave for whatever reason are dead?

The word 'evacuate' is not difficult to understand though it could have various levels of weight to it in different languages. Eg. in French the word question is 'demand' which suggest something far stronger than a simple request or basic question or enquiry.

In the second world war youngsters including my mother were 'evacuated' away from larger towns and cities into the countryside for safety. The were not killed.
This right here, whatever happened to your mother (and her coming back safely) is more evidence than what exists for 2.5 million. Again, that is the entirety of Lithunia, transplanted hundreds or thousands of miles into a discrete area over a year or two

If they were dispersed over a "vast swathe of land" you have a major security threat (at least according to Nazi documents). The spatial argument makes no sense. Likely they would have been concentrated in ghettos or large camps. The ghettos were closed down so we're talking 25 Auschwitz sized camps (the largest of all camps) that are completely unknown to the historical record. Nazgul's silly map points to locations in Poland, Bialystock, areas from which Jews were transferred.

HC blog discusses possible locations

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... uated.html

Right behind the front line? Does that make sense to you? Ukraine/Belarus/the Baltics seem to have been cleared.

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:10 pm
by Nessie
bombsaway wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 2:32 pm ....

Even tiny population movements generate evidence....
Each transport, from Westerbork to Sobibor, generated evidence. Every Jewish household in Berlin, forced to leave and hand over their property, generated evidence.

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:25 pm
by borjastick
The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.

When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:40 pm
by Nessie
borjastick wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:25 pm The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.
We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.
When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.
You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 4:12 pm
by joshk246
Nessie wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:40 pm
borjastick wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:25 pm The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.
We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.
When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.
You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?
Nessie, this is demonstrably false. Many instances of EE Jewish immigration which wasn't tracked.

"Iran’s Jewish population numbered 40,000; by 1970, 60,581 Jews had left Persia for Israel, and yet, in 1971, there were still 80,000 Jews in Persia. A natural increase of this size is unthinkable, leaving only one logical conclusion: They must have entered Persia between 1939 and the end of the war, coming from eastern Europe and the Balkans. The Soviet Union, Great Britain and the United States violated Iran’s proclaimed neutrality by force of arms and occupied that country against its will in World War Two. Persia was powerless to stop the immigration of Jews who had escaped from the German sphere of influence but whom no country wanted to accept."

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 4:24 pm
by bombsaway
borjastick wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:25 pm The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.

When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.
It was between summer of 1941 and winter of 43 (when Korherr wrote the report) so 1.5 years. According to Korherr " the evacuation was prepared on a large scale and largely implemented throughout the entire Reich territory in 1942"

So we have evidence of this planning in a massive way in terms of the deportations, with long reports written about specific deportation actions etc, but absolutely zippo when they come into the Soviet Union.

All of this would be in addition to Jews being moved by the Soviet Union or fleeing on their own accord. According to Korherr it was the Nazis that moved them into Russia, this is what is zero evidenced. Again a country sized amount of people.

When we look at what was happening to Jews in Nazi held USSR it was things like Neuffer's statement about the German Jews being "killed off". Not being maintained there in any way. The most reasonable explanation, even within a revisionist frame of no Polish gassings, is that they were sent there to be killed, not resettled.

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 4:31 pm
by Stubble
joshk246 wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 4:12 pm
Nessie wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:40 pm
borjastick wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:25 pm The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.
We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.
When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.
You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?
Nessie, this is demonstrably false. Many instances of EE Jewish immigration which wasn't tracked.

"Iran’s Jewish population numbered 40,000; by 1970, 60,581 Jews had left Persia for Israel, and yet, in 1971, there were still 80,000 Jews in Persia. A natural increase of this size is unthinkable, leaving only one logical conclusion: They must have entered Persia between 1939 and the end of the war, coming from eastern Europe and the Balkans. The Soviet Union, Great Britain and the United States violated Iran’s proclaimed neutrality by force of arms and occupied that country against its will in World War Two. Persia was powerless to stop the immigration of Jews who had escaped from the German sphere of influence but whom no country wanted to accept."
Archie pointed this out in the REFUGEES files. There are of course also the jews in Mexico, Shanghai, the Soviet Union etc. But, when you mentioned Iran, this sprang to mind.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/3016297 ... ctPage=704

Re: The Korherr Report

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2025 4:44 pm
by bombsaway
Stubble wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 4:31 pm
joshk246 wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 4:12 pm
Nessie wrote: Thu Jul 03, 2025 3:40 pm

We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.



You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?
Nessie, this is demonstrably false. Many instances of EE Jewish immigration which wasn't tracked.

"Iran’s Jewish population numbered 40,000; by 1970, 60,581 Jews had left Persia for Israel, and yet, in 1971, there were still 80,000 Jews in Persia. A natural increase of this size is unthinkable, leaving only one logical conclusion: They must have entered Persia between 1939 and the end of the war, coming from eastern Europe and the Balkans. The Soviet Union, Great Britain and the United States violated Iran’s proclaimed neutrality by force of arms and occupied that country against its will in World War Two. Persia was powerless to stop the immigration of Jews who had escaped from the German sphere of influence but whom no country wanted to accept."
Archie pointed this out in the REFUGEES files. There are of course also the jews in Mexico, Shanghai, the Soviet Union etc. But, when you mentioned Iran, this sprang to mind.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/3016297 ... ctPage=704
Again what is relevant is the Korherr's statement about the Nazis themselves evacuating 2.5 million. Did they sneak them across the frontline into Soviet held territory, or send them over the Black Sea to Turkey, where they filtered out from? I don't think so.