Korherr Report "Decoding" Instruction

[Archie]

If there is a vote, put my pebble in the 'move to debate forum' bucket regarding this thread.

To be fair, I think Guy is calling himself a revisionist because he doesn't believe in showers of doom.

I can also see that he is taking an exterminationist line with this report anyhow, so, half a caust?

Naw, the guy is obviously lying about being revisionist.

He's supposedly a revisionist. He hates "Holocaustians." He thinks the Holocaust is "preposterous." He thinks the gas chambers are "absolute horseshit."

But he's also convinced that special treatment means murder, that resettlement means murder, that Korherr records over a million murders. And he finds where-did-they-go to be a conclusive argument.

Nope. Makes no sense. This guy's full of it.

[Stubble]

Fair.

Korherr is very clear that it meant resettlement. He says 'around Lublin'. The Shoah Foundation testimonies talk about Majdanek, near Lublin, along with satellite camps etc.

I suppose I should have the documents handy, but, I figured the video of the testimony was sufficient. Apparently it is not, although, it does show the receipts.

The records are spotty.

I did learn that Korherr did not prepare the Korherr report from this thread though. I don't know how many times I've read that Der Speigel letter and not caught that.

I still cast my pebble in the 'move to debate' bucket if there is a vote.

[Eye of Zyclone]

If there is a vote, put my pebble in the 'move to debate forum' bucket regarding this thread.

To be fair, I think Guy is calling himself a revisionist because he doesn't believe in showers of doom.

I can also see that he is taking an exterminationist line with this report anyhow, so, half a caust?

Naw, the guy is obviously lying about being revisionist.

He's supposedly a revisionist. He hates "Holocaustians." He thinks the Holocaust is "preposterous." He thinks the gas chambers are "absolute horseshit."

But he's also convinced that special treatment means murder, that resettlement means murder, that Korherr records over a million murders. And he finds where-did-they-go to be a conclusive argument.

Nope. Makes no sense. This guy's full of it.

My opinion too. That's obvious. I've seen fake revisionists like him dozens of times in the past. He's patently like an anti-Christian activist yelling "Christ is my savior!" simply to gain entry to a church and undermine the believers' faith without opposition. Basic trolling.

[Callafangers]

All great points, thanks a lot for the help. I've also hear an additional argument that the tracked number of Jews in the report (1,274,166, confirmed by Höfle Telegram), never showed up anywhere else, which may construe their demise. Furthermore, that because the report is dated to early 1943 or later 1942, such transportation of Jews to the Russian East was not actually possible as the Russians were pushing back. This would make the reports claim of such transportation dubious.

I just have to point out that it's strange that a revisionist would be casually 'steelmanning' the exterminationist position with, "I heard an argument that...". This is very much ConfusedJew-like behavior.

Maybe you really did just run into some guy, somewhere that said this argument ("where did they go?") you've somehow never heard of in your years (?) as a 'denier', and maybe you just thought it worth sharing here, as though it's interesting or insightful for us all. But I hope you can understand why I and others might be skeptical.

[Callafangers]

Those who disagree with us are welcome on the forum, and we have a Debate board precisely for this. The dishonesty you have displayed, however, is not welcome.

Oops, I hadn't noticed this thread had progressed so much with my last post above (I hit 'reply' in an existing tab from a day or two ago).

Upon catching up on my reading here, $50 bucks says this 'ResearcherGuy' is literally ConfusedJew.

He strikes again.

[Stubble]

Those who disagree with us are welcome on the forum, and we have a Debate board precisely for this. The dishonesty you have displayed, however, is not welcome.

Oops, I hadn't noticed this thread had progressed so much with my last post above (I hit 'reply' in an existing tab from a day or two ago).

Upon catching up on my reading here, $50 bucks says this 'ResearcherGuy' is literally ConfusedJew.

He strikes again.

I'll bet you lunch he's somebody else.

(This wager comes from the before times. At 2 of my places of employment, the bet was always lunch)

[pilgrimofdark]

I suppose I should have the documents handy, but, I figured the video of the testimony was sufficient. Apparently it is not, although, it does show the receipts.

OP came and posted quotes with basically no references/links. Then later posted third-hand LLM output from an "argument" in a "debate" with "someone."

You don't need to be handier with documents than a poster who didn't reference/link any documents at all.

> Sends you on a wild goose chase
> Refuses to watch video posted, sends you on a wild goose chase for documents
> Posts third-hand LLM output with zero citations, sending you on a wild goose chase
> Demands transport records from you, sending you on a wild goose chase

I did learn that Korherr did not prepare the Korherr report from this thread though. I don't know how many times I've read that Der Speigel letter and not caught that.

That was a good catch. Whether he was deliberately retconning or just had "hearsay, rumors from the Warsaw Ghetto, memory disorders, PTSD," it adds more context to the Korherr discussion.

The Nature of Treblinka as a "Station"
The "Forward" Rail: There was no rail line leading out of the camp toward the East that could handle the volume of people arriving.

This is an AI output, probably trained on Polish surveyor texts.

First, unless you're a Polish surveyor, you can probably differentiate North from South. If you aren't a Polish surveyor, you may realize that zero rail lines went into or out of Treblinka from the East or West. The rails ran North-South.

Second, if there was "no rail line leading out of the camp that could handle the volume of people arriving," then there was "no rail line leading into the camp that could handle the volume of people arriving."

Is that a reasonable summary of the mainstream position? Does anyone else want to comment on that?

Third, the below Map of the Eastern Railway shows the rail lines heading east and west out of the GG. Rail lines went east from Malkinia, Siedlce, Lukow, and Lublin.

Spoiler

Source and larger version: Archiwum Narodowe w Krakowie 29/663/0/7/1288

[ResearcherGuy]

Naw, the guy is obviously lying about being revisionist.

He's supposedly a revisionist. He hates "Holocaustians." He thinks the Holocaust is "preposterous." He thinks the gas chambers are "absolute horseshit."

But he's also convinced that special treatment means murder, that resettlement means murder, that Korherr records over a million murders. And he finds where-did-they-go to be a conclusive argument.

Nope. Makes no sense. This guy's full of it.

Believe what crap you want.

"But he's also convinced that special treatment means murder, that resettlement means murder, that Korherr records over a million murders. And he finds where-did-they-go to be a conclusive argument. "

Strawmanning ignorance and extremely poor reading comprehension. There is no record of these Jews suppodedly in the Russian East being accounted for in any German documents, when they were meticilous about recording everything. The record ends at the camps, including Treblinka.

[ResearcherGuy]

First, unless you're a Polish surveyor, you can probably differentiate North from South. If you aren't a Polish surveyor, you may realize that zero rail lines went into or out of Treblinka from the East or West. The rails ran North-South.

Second, if there was "no rail line leading out of the camp that could handle the volume of people arriving," then there was "no rail line leading into the camp that could handle the volume of people arriving."

You are correct that the main line serving the area (the Siedlce–Małkinia line) runs generally North-South. However, the specific layout of Treblinka II involves a spur line—a dead-end siding that branched off from the main line at the Treblinka village station and headed East into the forest where the camp was hidden.

The "Stub" Design: Unlike a true transit station where a train enters from one side and exits the other to continue a journey, Treblinka II was a terminus. Trains were backed into the camp in sections (usually 20 wagons at a time) because the platform wasn't long enough for a full transport.

The Dead End: Once those wagons were emptied, they were pulled back out the same way they came in, returned to the main line, and sent back to their origin (like Warsaw or Bialystok) to pick up the next "load."

The rail lines lacking the volume capacity where to the East once leaving the camp, different from the ones heading in from the West. Read carefully.

[Eye of Zyclone]

The Nature of Treblinka as a "Station"
The "Forward" Rail: There was no rail line leading out of the camp toward the East that could handle the volume of people arriving.

This is an AI output, probably trained on Polish surveyor texts.

First, unless you're a Polish surveyor, you can probably differentiate North from South. If you aren't a Polish surveyor, you may realize that zero rail lines went into or out of Treblinka from the East or West. The rails ran North-South.

Second, if there was "no rail line leading out of the camp that could handle the volume of people arriving," then there was "no rail line leading into the camp that could handle the volume of people arriving."

Is that a reasonable summary of the mainstream position? Does anyone else want to comment on that?

Third, the below Map of the Eastern Railway shows the rail lines heading east and west out of the GG. Rail lines went east from Malkinia, Siedlce, Lukow, and Lublin.

Spoiler

Source and larger version: Archiwum Narodowe w Krakowie 29/663/0/7/1288

This was not a problem for freight transport...

[Stubble]

Naw, the guy is obviously lying about being revisionist.

He's supposedly a revisionist. He hates "Holocaustians." He thinks the Holocaust is "preposterous." He thinks the gas chambers are "absolute horseshit."

But he's also convinced that special treatment means murder, that resettlement means murder, that Korherr records over a million murders. And he finds where-did-they-go to be a conclusive argument.

Nope. Makes no sense. This guy's full of it.

Believe what crap you want.

"But he's also convinced that special treatment means murder, that resettlement means murder, that Korherr records over a million murders. And he finds where-did-they-go to be a conclusive argument. "

Strawmanning ignorance and extremely poor reading comprehension. There is no record of these Jews suppodedly in the Russian East being accounted for in any German documents, when they were meticilous about recording everything. The record ends at the camps, including Treblinka.

Have you been through the 't' series? The trail ends when you quit looking. One big problem is identifying with specificity what cohort is represented in which communication.

Then there is OT, then there is TN. This list can go on and on.

The problem I have currently is 'is this a Rhinehart jew'?

[Eye of Zyclone]

Treblinka II was a terminus.

The rail lines lacking the volume capacity where to the East once leaving the camp, different from the ones heading in from the West. Read carefully.

Impossible because "the mass gassing narrative is absolute horseshit," as you said on page 1 of this thread.

Are you claiming that those deported Jews were steamed to death at Treblinka II?

[Stubble]

Treblinka II was a terminus.

The rail lines lacking the volume capacity where to the East once leaving the camp, different from the ones heading in from the West. Read carefully.

Impossible because "the mass gassing narrative is absolute horseshit," as you said on page 1 of this thread.

Are you claiming that those deported Jews were steamed to death at Treblinka II?

Makes more sense than diesel, don't it?

Also 'corroborated by early reports'...

Oh, and 'Proven at Nuremberg' (tm)

[pilgrimofdark]

I'm debating someone, and they made this argument :

The Nature of Treblinka as a "Station"
This is where the "transportation" vs. "extermination" debate hits a physical reality. If Treblinka were a transit camp for 713,000+ people:

The Infrastructure: It lacked the barracks, kitchens, or sanitation facilities to house even a fraction of that number for a single night.

The "Forward" Rail: There was no rail line leading out of the camp toward the East that could handle the volume of people arriving. The trains arrived, were emptied, and the same cars were recorded returning empty to the main line.

The SS Inventory: As mentioned earlier, we have the "positive" record of what left the camp: thousands of freight cars filled with sorted clothing, shoes, and personal effects of the people who had just arrived.

The "Stub" Design: Unlike a true transit station where a train enters from one side and exits the other to continue a journey, Treblinka II was a terminus. Trains were backed into the camp in sections (usually 20 wagons at a time) because the platform wasn't long enough for a full transport.

The Dead End: Once those wagons were emptied, they were pulled back out the same way they came in, returned to the main line, and sent back to their origin (like Warsaw or Bialystok) to pick up the next "load."

> OP says he's in a "debate" with "someone"
> OP uses exact same "argument" structure as "someone"

This is LLM output, on top of the dishonesty, on top of the uncited wild goose chases, on top of the insults.

The rail lines lacking the volume capacity where to the East once leaving the camp, different from the ones heading in from the West. Read carefully.

This isn't a comprehensible sentence. Are you reading your own posts carefully before posting, where you're making a point to insult people's reading comprehension?



After looking at the sentence diagram, you might want to stick to the AI for English.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Treblinka II was a terminus.

The rail lines lacking the volume capacity where to the East once leaving the camp, different from the ones heading in from the West. Read carefully.

Impossible because "the mass gassing narrative is absolute horseshit," as you said on page 1 of this thread.

Are you claiming that those deported Jews were steamed to death at Treblinka II?

Makes more sense that diesel, don't it?

Yes, much more.

Also 'corroborated by early reports'...

Convergence of BS never lies...