The Charlie Kirk assassination and the impulse to declare things as forgeries

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Scott is engaged in quite obvious, irrelevant, wall-of-text obfuscation and derailing.

I invite CODOH forum readers to ponder upon that for a moment.

This topic-thread is about the Kirk killing.
LOGICAL FACT:
If the empirical evidence of the numerous-angle video of Charlie Kirk’s neck wound could not have been caused by any calibre bullet shot from a Mauser 98 .03 06 rifle, then Tyler Robinson is NOT the shooter.

Believers of the official ‘violent, leftist, tranny-supporting, anarchist murderer’ may feel free to keep on avoiding this rather basic and obvious fact. But that is the bottom line here.

30-06 is the caliber...

I need to see the bullet. Anything other than an actual hollow point, would have blown straight through without taking any deviation to its path.

Currently, assuming a fast expansion hollow point, I can see the wound and damage coming from an '06.

The expansion cavity is 8-10 inches when he gets struck, that's huge. Then part of the bullet caught a vertebra and blew out 6 of his vertebrae. Big energy.

Can you tell me what else could have done that? Because unless I'm mistaken, such damage would have taken all 2,200'/lb of energy...

00004_Carabine-a-verrou-Savage-Axis-XP-Filetee---30-06-Spr---Camo---Droitier.jpg

This is how a scope is properly located above the bolt and action.

He dropped it from the roof though, and it is a simple dovetail. Look at the rear ring, it jumped to the adjustments.

[Wahrheitssucher]

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Two Mauser 98’s with scopes.

I will also add this video describing a possible alternate ammunition. Again, this hypothesis is unrefuted.

Here’s someone refuting that particular ‘infowars’ information (‘misinformation’ ?)


Here’s an analysis of what appears to be deliberate gaps in the official narrative to foment speculation and misinformation in order to bamboozle, confuse and create disinterest in rival explanations amongst the general public:



I don’t know whether that last claim is accurate?
Have no hospital staff involved been named?
I thought someone had been identified by name.
So I asked Grok this question:

Who is the surgeon who according to Andrew Kolvet, treated Kirk and described the outcome as highly unusual and is claimed to have said: “The bullet absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round”.

Here’s Grok’s answer:

The surgeon is unnamed. According to Andrew Kolvet, Turning Point USA spokesman and executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show, he spoke directly with the surgeon who operated on Charlie Kirk after Kirk was fatally shot in the neck on September 10, 2025, at an event in Orem, Utah.
Kolvet shared the details in an X post on September 20, 2025, quoting the surgeon as saying the high-velocity .30-06 round "absolutely should have gone through, which is very very normal for a high powered, high velocity round," but was stopped by Kirk's unusually dense and healthy bone structure — described as "like the man of steel." This prevented an exit wound and likely spared lives of those behind him, as the bullet lodged just beneath the skin, confirmed by the coroner. The surgeon called it an "absolute miracle."
No public sources, including news reports or Kolvet's statements, identify the surgeon by name, possibly due to privacy laws like HIPAA.

[borjastick]

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Scott is engaged in quite obvious, irrelevant, wall-of-text obfuscation and derailing.

I invite CODOH forum readers to ponder upon that for a moment.

This topic-thread is about the Kirk killing.
LOGICAL FACT:
If the empirical evidence of the numerous-angle video of Charlie Kirk’s neck wound could not have been caused by any calibre bullet shot from a Mauser 98 .03 06 rifle, then Tyler Robinson is NOT the shooter.

Believers of the official ‘violent, leftist, tranny-supporting, anarchist murderer’ may feel free to keep on avoiding this rather basic and obvious fact. But that is the bottom line here.

30-06 is the caliber...

I need to see the bullet. Anything other than an actual hollow point, would have blown straight through without taking any deviation to its path.

Currently, assuming a fast expansion hollow point, I can see the wound and damage coming from an '06.

The expansion cavity is 8-10 inches when he gets struck, that's huge. Then part of the bullet caught a vertebra and blew out 6 of his vertebrae. Big energy.

Can you tell me what else could have done that? Because unless I'm mistaken, such damage would have taken all 2,200'/lb of energy...

00004_Carabine-a-verrou-Savage-Axis-XP-Filetee---30-06-Spr---Camo---Droitier.jpg

This is how a scope is properly located above the bolt and action.

He dropped it from the roof though, and it is a simple dovetail. Look at the rear ring, it jumped to the adjustments.

They say he dropped it from the roof but in some part that makes little sense. In the photos of him on the stairwell, which I assume is him on the way in prior to the shooting, I say again that there is no rifle in that bag. The claim in the clip/tweet that the cctv film should show him assembling the gun is nonsense. That's perhaps why they don't show that part of the film. I am not saying it wasn't him and there is some massive government (Israel) behind this attack because I have no idea what went on. But I am saying that it would appear from what we see and know that the gun must have been up there before he arrived.

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Dude, the rifle is in the towel when he gets off the roof, you can see the outline even with the garbage quality of the security camera.

He drops it, picks it back up, and scuffles his way to the road with it clearly in the towel.

/shrug

I don't know how else to put it.

I need to see the unspent ammo in the internal magazine, that's the only 'point of doubt' I currently have. It's a 30-06. Anything that wasn't a fast expansion hollow point would have been a clean pass.

[Wahrheitssucher]

They say he dropped it from the roof but in some part that makes little sense.

They don’t just “say” it. Video has been released actually showing the suspect doing exactly that captured by a surveillance camera.

In the photos of him on the stairwell, which I assume is him on the way in prior to the shooting, I say again that there is no rifle in that bag.

Yes, the stairwell photos are of the suspect prior to the shooting. I’ve explained that to you.

Also it isn’t claimed the rifle was in the bag on his back. I’ve explained exactly this to you twice, with quotes from the charge sheet on the details.

The claim in the clip/tweet that the cctv film should show him assembling the gun is nonsense.

The charge sheet claims the suspect was out of view during the assembly. I’ve quoted it twice to you.
And as I showed in the pic with a red square, that appears to contradicted by them showing video from a surveillance camera that covers the area where the shot is claimed to have been fired from.

… I am saying that it would appear from what we see and know that the gun must have been up there before he arrived.

Yes, it is a possibility. But that is not what the FBI are claiming. They are claiming the rifle was concealed under the suspect’s clothing and assembled with a screwdriver on the roof.

I have explained this to you twice plus provided video showing exactly how that would be possible.

You clearly are not looking at the evidence repeatedly provided for you.

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They say he dropped it from the roof but in some part that makes little sense.

They don’t just “say” it. Video has been released actually showing the suspect doing exactly that captured by a surveillance camera.

In the photos of him on the stairwell, which I assume is him on the way in prior to the shooting, I say again that there is no rifle in that bag.

Yes, the stairwell photos are of the suspect prior to the shooting. I’ve explained that to you.

Also it isn’t claimed the rifle was in the bag on his back. I’ve explained exactly this to you twice, with quotes from the charge sheet on the details.

The claim in the clip/tweet that the cctv film should show him assembling the gun is nonsense.

The charge sheet claims the suspect was out of view during the assembly. I’ve quoted it twice to you.
And as I showed in the pic with a red square, that appears to contradicted by them showing video from a surveillance camera that covers the area where the shot is claimed to have been fired from.

… I am saying that it would appear from what we see and know that the gun must have been up there before he arrived.

Yes, it is a possibility. But that is not what the FBI are claiming. They are claiming the rifle was concealed under the suspect’s clothing and assembled with a screwdriver on the roof.

I have explained this to you twice plus provided video showing exactly how that would be possible.

You clearly are not looking at the evidence repeatedly provided for you.

Getting very bitchy there Mr W.

Just because I don't agree with the claims or the commentary doesn't make you right and me wrong. I'll say it again once more for the stupid among us, a bolt action rifle isn'r able to simply be taken apart for the purpose of transport or concealment. I don't really care much who shot CK. That he was shot with either a lucky shot or by a world class marksman is of interest though.

[Wahrheitssucher]

They say he dropped it from the roof but in some part that makes little sense.

They don’t just “say” it. Video has been released actually showing the suspect doing exactly that captured by a surveillance camera.

In the photos of him on the stairwell, which I assume is him on the way in prior to the shooting, I say again that there is no rifle in that bag.

Yes, the stairwell photos are of the suspect prior to the shooting. I’ve explained that to you.

Also it isn’t claimed the rifle was in the bag on his back. I’ve explained exactly this to you twice, with quotes from the charge sheet on the details.

The claim in the clip/tweet that the cctv film should show him assembling the gun is nonsense.

The charge sheet claims the suspect was out of view during the assembly. I’ve quoted it twice to you.
And as I showed in the pic with a red square, that appears to contradicted by them showing video from a surveillance camera that covers the area where the shot is claimed to have been fired from.

… I am saying that it would appear from what we see and know that the gun must have been up there before he arrived.

Yes, it is a possibility. But that is not what the FBI are claiming. They are claiming the rifle was concealed under the suspect’s clothing and assembled with a screwdriver on the roof.

I have explained this to you twice plus provided video showing exactly how that would be possible.

You clearly are not looking at the evidence repeatedly provided for you.

Getting very bitchy there Mr W.

Just because I don't agree with the claims or the commentary doesn't make you right and me wrong.

Nothing “bitchy” at all coming from my side Mr. B.
I’m presenting you with testimonial and empirical evidence and you are not only just denying it, but you are completely ignoring it.

You can have your own opinion, BUT not your own facts.

I'll say it again once more for the stupid among us, a bolt action rifle isn'r able to simply be taken apart for the purpose of transport or concealment.

Yet I have shown you a video proving you wrong as it has someone doing EXACTLY THAT. So we have your insultingly stated opinion versus a video purporting to show empirical reality.
I gave you an option to explain what was in your OPINION “impossible” in that video and you dodged it / ignored it.

I don't really care much who shot CK.

Then why did you refer to the accused suspect as “that little shit”?

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A 140 yard shot is hardly 'world class'. An optic wasn't even essential to put lead on target. Helped him get it 'done in one' though.

Given your experience, you know this, why would you claim different?

When I was 10 years old and I got my first 'real gun' from dad, I was shooting at 100 yards with a 30-06...I also shot deer and turkey with it...

I'm curious, what distance do you shoot at? I mean, do you shoot long guns on the 30 yard pistol range or something?

Where do you think the guy was aiming? Surely you don't think he was aiming for the neck? Personally, I think he was aiming center mass and pulled it, aim small, miss small...

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A 140 yard shot is hardly 'world class'. An optic wasn't even essential to put lead on target. Helped him get it 'done in one' though.

Given your experience, you know this, why would you claim different?

Good question.

Incidentally, I previously wrote that given my teenage experience of shooting SLR’s, a Sterling sub-machine gun, and Enfield’s I thought the shot couldn’t be called “easy”. I should add to that statement the fact that I have NEVER used a rifle with a scope, so have no idea of how “easy” a 140 yard shot would be with one.

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Another aspect of the case which strikes me as odd is so many claims of incriminating ‘evidence’ being illogical to the point of being rather idiotic.
E.g. this one:

“the case claims that Robinson's DNA was recovered from the trigger of the rifle used to kill the conservative activist.”
https://www.distractify.com/p/candace-o ... arlie-kirk

First it hasn’t been proven yet that the recovered rifle actually killed Kirk. So false premise 101.
Secondly, if the rifle is Tyler’s then obviously it will have his DNA on it. So that proves nothing. Non sequitir 101.

I genuinely think that the people (journalists) putting out this kind of reporting must be of low IQ.

With nonsense like this being reported, rejecting the evidence being presented to us the public to incriminate Tyler Robinson does NOT fall under the category of this topic-thread; viz. “an impulse to declare things as forgeries”.

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200 yards with iron, no glass...



A 10 year old with glass at 250 yards.

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A 140 yard shot is hardly 'world class'. An optic wasn't even essential to put lead on target. Helped him get it 'done in one' though.

Given your experience, you know this, why would you claim different?

When I was 10 years old and I got my first 'real gun' from dad, I was shooting at 100 yards with a 30-06...I also shot deer and turkey with it...

I'm curious, what distance do you shoot at? I mean, do you shoot long guns on the 30 yard pistol range or something?

Where do you think the guy was aiming? Surely you don't think he was aiming for the neck? Personally, I think he was aiming center mass and pulled it, aim small, miss small...

Are these questions for me?

The world class aspect is that this wasn't without pressure and nerves. That makes a whole deal of difference. Plus there is the drop effect of a decelerating bullet and the shot was coming down from a higher start point. Perfectly possible mind you but various aspects make this difficult. Not sure about the 140 yard aspect as I haven't actually seen an accurate reference to the distance. If you say it's 140 yards I accept your point.

It is a very different deal casually enjoying some range shooting at 100-200 yards to being on that roof about to try and kill someone and dealing with the pressure and nerves knowing that whatever happens you have only one shot. My guess is he aimed at CK's head and the other two factors brought the bullet down by some inches. Some guns are built accurate and are very reliable at that others not so much. I have a .22LR CZ which is astonishingly accurate up to about 100 yards or so. Of course the bullet itself would travel much further. My Bergara 308 too was very accurate but the Savage Axis 270 I had was a bag of shite. Rough as anything and total crap.

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Of course the questions were for you.

Dropping the hammer on a defenseless man at a college I'm sure caused this psychopath to dump adrenalin. I don't think it was much different for him than dropping the hammer on a rabbit though. I'm sure the real jitters came after.

Another thing to keep in mind is how dull the adrenaline would have been at that point, he would have started dumping when he was getting out of his car and getting himself together to go on to that roof and kill a man, a decision he had made peace with far prior.

I'm not sure why people think dropping the hammer on a man is so much different when compared to dropping the hammer on a deer. Life is life, and taking it is never 'pleasant'.

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Here are some of the basic facts and official allegations that are often being either ignored or denied by people who want to believe the flawed FBI narrative regarding the public execution of Charlie Kirk.

Here are photos showing aerial views of the alleged shot from a Mauser 98 .03 06 rifle:






The distance is actually 140 yards (not “about 200 yards”)

Here is the statement claiming a discussion with the unnamed surgeon who located a bullet in Kirk’s body and who irrationally explained the physical impossibility of it’s trajectory by categorising it as a “miracle” [ = a ‘miracle’ is an occurrence that defies basic laws of nature and is therefore attributed to a supernatural cause / divine intervention.]




Here — approximately* — is the alleged trajectory of the .03 06 bullet after it supposedly entered Charlie Kirk’s neck, struck his spine and was supposedly ‘miraculously’ deflected downwards to it’s final position just under his skin in his back:
*[ i.e. it isn’t being suggested that the bullet passed through his jaw.]




According to all ballistic experts, a normal .03 06 bullet should definitely have left an exit wound.
Yet the official narrative claims there wasn’t one.
Some folks who desperately want to believe the official narrative positing Tyler Robinson with a Mauser 98 as the killer, therefore have resorted to speculative conjecture about other bullet options to avoid dealing with this reality.

Here are two types of .03 06 bullets that some folks have falsely been suggesting were compatible with Kirk’s wound and Tyler’s Mauser 98 rifle:





These bullets are incompatible with the ‘official’ narrative because although they wouldn’t leave an exit wound, they wouldn’t be recoverable as a complete ‘bullet’ as is alleged by the unnamed surgeon.

Here is a fairly high definition ‘still’ from the unreleased survellance video of the ‘official’ narrative’s “suspect”:


CONCLUSION:
So what we have here at CODOH is precisely what Wetzelrad’s initial post warned against: viz. folks disregarding and/or denying the actual evidence because it is incompatible with what they want to believe / have been told they should believe.

FINALLY
A perspective offered for your consideration:

[borjastick]

The possibility of it being this claimed shooter and the bullet acting as shown in your excellent graphic is very high. 175gr bullets are rarely used in normal target type shooting, added to the probable 30ft difference in height from roof top to ground level where he was seated, added to the angle of the above drop could well mean that it was as described. I don't know and you may well be right but to me the fact that the bullet didn't force its way out of the other side is neither here nor there. The doctor's comment about it being a miracle are odd to say the least. Unless this bloke has battlefield medical experience I would ignore his point.

I'm beginning to think this shot was incredible lucky for the shooter and not much else.

In the real world bullets do very odd things once their direction of travel is interrupted.