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Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 12:47 pm
by Keen
Nessie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2026 7:20 am
There is corroborating evidence... Therefore they existed and the witnesses did not lie.
nessie:
A mass grave is defined as a grave containing multiple human corpses, or the remains of multiple people.
So a pit containing the remains of multiple people would be, according to you, a mass grave, correct?
What if the pit contained the bones of multiple animals - would you still consider that to be a "mass grave"?
Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2026 4:41 pm
When surveys find large areas of disturbed ground, with identifiable pits, littered with human remains...
"Human remains" you say? Where are the skulls?
Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2026 2:58 pm
Photos of TII, from the 1945 surveys, showing the site after grave robbing activity
nessie, are the above photos of a mass grave / mass graves at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??
If your answer is - Yes. - then;
Are they photos of the same mass grave taken from different angles, or two separate mass graves?
Also, If your answer is - Yes. - then;
What is the number / numbers for this / these grave / graves?
We still haven't seen so-much-as a shoe box amount of cremated remains.
What are you waiting for nessie?
What are you so afraid of?
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 12:48 pm
by Nessie
viewtopic.php?p=25838#p25838
The bogus claims of a genocide by mass-gassing at the sites claimed, by the methods claimed, on the scale claimed has been refuted.
That claim is false, because to refute the evidence of mass gassings at certain sites, you would need new evidence. For example, people who worked at those sites who stated there were no mass gassings and what took place instead, which happened when claims were made about mass gassing at Dachau and Bergen-Belsen. The SS camp staff denied there had been gassings. They could account for the prisoners, with camp documents, showing transports and no mass disappearance of people shortly after they arrived. That leads to another example of evidence that would refute the mass gassing claims, which would be documents recording mass transports back out of the camps, meaning, obviously those people cannot have been killed.
Evidence is not someone who denies gassings took place, explaining why they deny. Their opinion on the viability of gas chambers, or the possibilities of killing so many people, is not evidence.
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2026 6:56 pm
by Keen
Nessie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2026 12:48 pm
To refute the evidence of mass gassings at certain sites, you would need new evidence.
If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have
actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.
Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is -
A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.
OPENING /
FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of -
ONLY SIX PEOPLE.
Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be -
LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.
https://thisisaboutscience.com/
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 7:36 am
by Nessie
HansHill;
viewtopic.php?p=25852#p25852
While I can accept "they are lying" may be speculative, "they are describing different non-viable processes" is certainly not speculative. I can hold opinions about "why they lied", but that's not the topic of this thread.
HansHill admits he has no evidence the witnesses lied and he is merely speculating. It is merely his opinion that they are describing something different and that it would not work. It is in fact clear from the descriptions they are describing the same object that was used in Kremas II and III and there is evidence it worked.
Opinions on lying are not the same as evidence of lying. I am sure if someone accused HansHill of lying, he would like them to have evidence and not just to be relying on their opinion.
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 10:15 am
by HansHill
Good one Nessie
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 10:59 am
by Nessie
HansHill again!
viewtopic.php?p=25898#p25898
Its non-viable due the positive descriptions that are present in the record.
How is a metal mesh column used to pour in and then retrieve Zyklon B pellets, non-viable as a mechanism, because of the way it has been described by eye-witnesses?
To give just one example, its non-viable because, it has not been demonstrated or explained how to outpace a US prison execution using less gas, for more victims, in a sub-optimal configuration.
How is the gas chamber inside the Leichenkeller non-viable, because how it could work has not been explained to your satisfaction, when compared to a US execution chamber?
Is viability not best determined by evidence? When there is evidence of a column inside a gas chamber, that worked, that proves it was viable.
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 11:46 am
by HansHill
The rate of offgassing is retarded under moist conditions and where the pellets are clumped together.
Know what else is retarded?
Me, for engaging with you.
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 11:52 am
by Nessie
HansHill wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2026 11:46 am
The rate of offgassing is retarded under moist conditions and where the pellets are clumped together.
Know what else is retarded?
Me, for engaging with you.
This again falls under the argument that your inability to work out, to your satisfaction, how the Leichenkellers could have viably functioned, as mass gas chambers, is not evidence to prove there were no such chambers. To prove there were no such gas chambers, you need evidence from eyewitnesses, documents, physical remains etc, that corroborate to provide a chronology of usage of the building that did not involve mass gassings.
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 4:38 pm
by Keen
Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2026 7:36 am
Opinions on lying are not the same as evidence of lying.
Speaking of lying:
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2026 4:41 pm
by Keen
Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 17, 2026 11:52 am
To prove there were no such gas chambers, you need evidence from eyewitnesses, documents, physical remains etc
Speaking of the lack of physical remains:
If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have
actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.
Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is -
A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2026 7:50 am
by Nessie
How is anything here, evidence that there were no mass cremations at A-B?
viewtopic.php?p=25938#p25938
The very last line: "The present capacity of the “resettlement action” furnaces: 10,000 in 24 hours."
This is a highly discrediting blunder, imo...
Evidence to prove that there were no mass cremations of thousands of corpses a day, would come from eyewitnesses who worked at the crematoriums, or camp documents.
Holo-historian Gerald Fleming (one of the first to discuss the F-G report - see Ch 17 of his book) makes a comparison between F-G and Filip Mueller: "The accounts of the SS officer and the former concentration camp prisoner [Mueller] concur on one fact: that the cremation capacity of the camp ovens reached up to ten thousand corpses per twenty-four hours." Fleming doesn't seem to notice the problem here, perhaps because he doesn't realize the number is completely wrong.
Fleming notes that there is corroborating evidence that thousands, into tens of thousands, were cremated on daily basis. Archie cannot counter that with evidence, so instead he casts his opinion and doubt, as if that is somehow a substitute for evidence that would prove there had been no such mass cremations.
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2026 3:49 pm
by Keen
Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2026 7:50 am
Evidence to prove that there were no mass cremations of thousands of corpses a day, would come from eyewitnesses who worked at the crematoriums, or camp documents.
And the proof that those "eyewitnesses" were lying has never been rebutted:
OPENING /
FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of -
ONLY SIX PEOPLE.
Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be -
LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.
https://thisisaboutscience.com/
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2026 3:55 pm
by Keen
Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2026 7:50 am
Evidence to prove that there were no mass cremations of thousands of corpses a day
Has never been refuted:
If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have
actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.
Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.
No physical remains = no mass murder = no mass gassings = no holocaust
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 8:26 am
by Nessie
HansHill;
viewtopic.php?p=25967#p25967
Stop pretending this is an incidental point that we are nitpicking over - everything hinges on this mechanism and we (you included) cannot explain it.
Nothing evidentially hinges on the mechanism of the Kula columns. Not being able to work out how they worked to your satisfaction, is not evidence of their non-existence.
Evidence of their non-existence would come from a witness who worked inside the Kremas, who states he never saw any such column inside the Leichenkeller, during the period of 1943-4. Or a plan from 1943-4, that did not show any columns. Or evidence the columns were there, but they had another purpose, such as additional ventilation.
You are nitpicking over the mechanism, because it is all you have to talk about, since you have no evidence from eyewitnesses, documents the remains of the buildings, to prove that there were no such things as Kula columns.
Re: What is evidence? [remedial education series]
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2026 4:16 pm
by Archie
Nessie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2026 8:26 am
Nothing evidentially hinges on the mechanism of the Kula columns.
Your side's explanation for the lack of Prussian blue (as well as the fast pace of cremation) hinges on super fast ventilation of the chamber. And the "Kula columns" are the purported mechanism by which the pellets were removed from the chamber. Otherwise, the pellets would continue releasing gas for hours which would create all sorts of problems. Hence the Kula columns are crucial to your position.