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Christian Oestmann and German Senator Senator Iris Spranger enemies of Free Speech

Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2025 3:46 am
by DavidM
Statement by the Coordination Team for MERA25 and DiEM25 in Germany

The Berlin Senate is attempting to deport four international residents, three of whom are European citizens — Cooper Longbottom, Kasia Wlaszczyk, Shane O’Brien, and Roberta Murray — for their participation in pro-Palestine protests. None of them have been convicted of a crime. The accusations against them are flimsy, vague, and largely unsubstantiated — yet they are being targeted by the German state in a blatant act of political repression.

We name this for what it is: a fascist, authoritarian attack on fundamental democratic rights — orchestrated by Berlin’s Senator for the Interior, Iris Spranger (SPD), and enforced through the Senate Department for the Interior and Sport, with the complicity of the State Office for Immigration under Engelhard Mazanke.

Internal documents now made public reveal that these deportation orders are politically motivated and were pushed through despite legal objections from within Berlin’s own immigration office. Even the head of the State Office for Immigration, Engelhard Mazanke, and his colleague Silke Buhlmann raised alarm: there were no criminal convictions, no real threat to public order, and no legal grounds to revoke EU citizens’ freedom of movement. But their concerns were overruled by Christian Oestmann of the Senate Department for the Interior, under the leadership of Senator Iris Spranger (SPD), citing so-called public order and Staatsräson — Germany’s state doctrine of support for Israel.
https://diem25.org/political-cleansing- ... aatsrason/

The political climate in Germany continues to be sick...suppression of discussion of the so-called Holocaust is now coupled with banning discussion of the extermination of Palestinians. The irony is painful

Re: Christian Oestmann and German Senator Senator Iris Spranger enemies of Free Speech

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 4:44 am
by Archie
This has been happening in the US as well. Jews have traditionally been one of the main forces behind liberal immigration policies, but if you are anti-Israel they suddenly turn into jackbooted border hawks.

Germany apparently does have some speech protections in their constitution, but it is more limited than in the US. There is something about right to opinion, but it is more narrow than in the US. And in practice things seem much worse. There were some clips going around recently of German police raiding people's homes for making racist posts online.



Here's a video that discusses some of the laws around speech in Germany.

Re: Christian Oestmann and German Senator Senator Iris Spranger enemies of Free Speech

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 12:00 pm
by slob
What was it all for then?
We really would of been better off under Germans then, it could not be any worse than this horrid zionist run world?
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Re: Christian Oestmann and German Senator Senator Iris Spranger enemies of Free Speech

Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 8:32 pm
by Hektor
Archie wrote: Fri Apr 25, 2025 4:44 am This has been happening in the US as well. Jews have traditionally been one of the main forces behind liberal immigration policies, but if you are anti-Israel they suddenly turn into jackbooted border hawks.

Germany apparently does have some speech protections in their constitution, but it is more limited than in the US. There is something about right to opinion, but it is more narrow than in the US. And in practice things seem much worse. There were some clips going around recently of German police raiding people's homes for making racist posts online.



Here's a video that discusses some of the laws around speech in Germany.
The text of the (provisorical) constitution for Germany is a bit ambiguous on the free speech issue. Indeed they say that you got free speech unless there is a law against what you are saying... Actually rendering it rather useless. And there is legislation against "Holocaust Denial". So no free speech there, but the dimwit German will believe that there is....


As for the youtube video, the woman making it is a staunch Holocaust Believer having even made videos on this....

Re: Christian Oestmann and German Senator Senator Iris Spranger enemies of Free Speech

Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 11:33 pm
by TlsMS93
Hektor wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 8:32 pm
The text of the (provisorical) constitution for Germany is a bit ambiguous on the free speech issue. Indeed they say that you got free speech unless there is a law against what you are saying... Actually rendering it rather useless. And there is legislation against "Holocaust Denial". So no free speech there, but the dimwit German will believe that there is....


As for the youtube video, the woman making it is a staunch Holocaust Believer having even made videos on this....
Freedom of expression is not freedom of aggression, or that it is not an absolute right. This is what many argue to justify this contradiction. In the case of Germany, they appeal to “public peace”, that is, you can only speak or defend something that does not disturb the interests of others. This is bizarre because there is no ideology or policy that wants to please everyone, politics in itself is hate and freedom of expression is politics.