Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[ConfusedJew]

Let me start with Treblinka II and we can go to other sites if necessary.

Treblinka II had estimated victims between~700,000 and 900,000.

Although there were extensive postwar efforts by the Nazis to destroy evidence, excavations were conducted in the 2010s using GPR and LiDAR (non invasive archaeological techniques) which identified large burial pits, human remains, cremation layers, and gas chamber foundations. This confirmed that mass grave sites existed although bones and ashes were scattered due to exhumation and cremation.

Physical remains are often ashes and bone fragments, not intact bodies, due to Aktion 10005, the Nazi cover-up operations.

Anticipating the denialism:

1. Many argue that the quantities of bone fragments, ash, or disturbed soil are inconsistent with the number of victims claimed. They said only a few graves were found or that human remains are minimal.

Cremation reduces bodies to small volumes of ash and fragments. At places like Treblinka, nearly all bodies were exhumed and cremated, sometimes multiple times. Archaeological teams, such as Sturdy Colls at Treblinka, found clear evidence of mass cremation pits, bone ash layers, and thousands of small human remains. Even though the ground-penetrating radar, did not show intact skeletons, it confirmed that there were disturbed burial layers consistent with mass graves.

2. Some argue that the bodies would have been visible in satellite or aerial photography. Wartime aerial photos of camps don’t show the kind of smoke or open pits that extermination would produce.

Many such photos do exist, but mass graves and cremation pits are not clearly visible in low-resolution 1940s aerial imagery.
Some photos do show suspicious clearings, mounds, and structural changes near the murder zones (see Luftwaffe photos of Treblinka). Modern archaeological methods (GPR, LiDAR) are far more precise and confirm the ground-level findings.

We can debate the technical details of GPR and LiDAR versus the Luftwaffe photos if you like.

3. Many deniers assert that archaeological work was incomplete, biased, or avoids full excavation because researchers fear disproving the mainstream narrative.

Jewish religious law (Halacha) restricts the disturbance of burial sites, which is why many sites are only partially excavated.
Despite these limits, non-invasive techniques (GPR, core sampling) confirmed the extent and structure of mass graves. These investigations were peer reviewed and from teams across multiple countries which may not be completely perfect, greatly reduces the element of individual political agendas from taking over.

4. Some argue that the camps were transit camps, not extermination centers. Many believe that the Jews were resettled rather than murdered.

There is no evidence of large populations of resettled Jews from these camps. Virtually none of the deportees were ever heard from again. Transport records show trains arriving full and leaving empty, with no onward destination. Additionally, SS men and local collaborators testified repeatedly about the extermination operations at these sites.

So what do you think about these arguments?

[Stubble]

That if you were to put twice the population of Liverpool into a blender and pour them into the grave space as a liquid, they still wouldn't fit...

Nessie has links to the lidar and gpr some place. He shared it in my 'murder mill treblinka ii' thread.

[TlsMS93]

These Jewish archaeological works are of the same nature as considering that the remains of Jesus were found in Talpiot.

They dig with preconceived notions of what they find to fit the narrative. Was it the foundation of a gas chamber? It could have been a garage, like they found in Belzec. Those terracotta tiles that they said they would test chemically to determine their nature, where did the results come from?

When it comes to showing how many sticks it takes to make a canoe, they back off.

[Fred Ziffel]

Confused Jew, Please discuss the ALL logistics of burning 700K to 900K humans outside. All the logistics to make this happen

[TlsMS93]

Confused Jew, Please discuss the ALL logistics of burning 700K to 900K humans outside. All the logistics to make this happen

Franz Stangl said that he cremated the bodies with wood the size of a cigarette pack. These absurdities seem to have been said to alert the most absent-minded of the absurdity that was being created by the falsifiers of history. Why doesn't India implement this very efficient method? Are they left with excess wood? For Treblinka it is worse because its website claims that brush soaked in gasoline was used and not raw wood to cremate the 800 thousand victims, without leaving any traces.

[ConfusedJew]

Confused Jew, Please discuss the ALL logistics of burning 700K to 900K humans outside. All the logistics to make this happen

This is really grim that you are making me do this but here is a rough answer:

Treblinka II was a death camp located northeast of Warsaw and operated from July 1942 to October 1943.

Beginning in the summer of 1942, bodies were buried in mass graves, dug with mechanical excavators. They were quickly filled and the stench became overwhelming.

Cremation began in early 1943. Heinrich Himmler issued the order to erase evidence (Aktion 10005). The mass graves were excavated, and corpses were burned on grill-like pyres. Each pyre was about 25 meters long and 5 meters wide. It was large enough to burn up to 3,000 bodies at once.

A layer of firewood was placed on the bottom. Heavier corpses were placed on top because body fat aided combustion. Fire was ignited underneath and the fat runoff helped ignite lower layers. As the fire consumed upper bodies, attendants added more corpses as fuel.

To reduce wood usage, corpses were dried, stacked tightly, and arranged for airflow. Body fat collected in trenches was sometimes reused as fuel. Nonetheless, burning 800,000 corpses likely required tens of thousands of tons of wood. Wood was collected from forests near the Bug River, sometimes transported via rail or carts.

All labor was done by Jewish Sonderkommando, under SS and Trawniki (Ukrainian) guards. There were an estimated 300–400 men in rotating shifts and they dug up corpses from the mass graves, transported them to the pyres, stacked the bodies, and burned them. After the bodies were burned, the crushed the bones with a mortar and pestle and scattered the ashes in surrounding pits or the forests.

At the peak rate, 8,000 to 15,000 bodies were burned. A 1945 Polish investigation found that ~16–20 pyres were used in sequence. The whole operation lasted 5–6 months (from early 1943 to August 1943). The German firm Fuchs built a custom excavator to dig graves and exhume corposes.

There were testimonies from SS guards and Sonderkommandos who survived or escaped.

After the burning, ashes were sifted for gold teeth and valuables. Bones were removed, crushed, and scattered. Soil in parts of Treblinka today contains several meters of ash and bone residue.

After the war, Polish forensic teams found mass graves filled with burnt human remains and burned soil layers. Ground-penetrating radar (GPR) in the 2000s confirmed more mass grave sites and disturbed earth consistent with cremation pits.

There might be some things in there that are slightly off, but I have no idea how you will try to refute that.

[ConfusedJew]

Franz Stangl said that he cremated the bodies with wood the size of a cigarette pack. These absurdities seem to have been said to alert the most absent-minded of the absurdity that was being created by the falsifiers of history. Why doesn't India implement this very efficient method? Are they left with excess wood? For Treblinka it is worse because its website claims that brush soaked in gasoline was used and not raw wood to cremate the 800 thousand victims, without leaving any traces.

There is no credible source in which Franz Stangl — the commandant of Treblinka — said bodies were burned using wood the size of a cigarette pack. In Gitta Sereny's interviews (published in Into That Darkness), Stangl confirms the mass murders but does not make such absurd logistical claims. He admitted responsibility and discussed attempts to hide the evidence via cremation.

Both wood and accelerants like gasoline or diesel were used, but wood was the primary fuel. Gasoline-soaked brush was used to ignite the fires, not to sustain them. Corpses were stacked in such a way (especially when decomposed or rich in fat) that they aided combustion. This was a horrific reality that was ultimately confirmed by German SS testimonies and Jewish survivors alike.

India's cremation practices are religious, cultural, and spiritual. They are not designed to conceal evidence, as at Treblinka.
Open-air cremation in India uses dry hardwood, proper airflow, and spiritual rituals — and even then, complete cremation is difficult without significant wood (often 300–500 kg per body). The mass incineration at a death camp was an industrial process of genocide, with methods adapted for speed, concealment, and scale.

The belief that no traces were left behind is a myth. Polish forensic investigations (1945–46) documented ash pits and remains in addition to the modern GPR and archaeological work done by Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls.

[Archie]

The belief that no traces were left behind is a myth. Polish forensic investigations (1945–46) documented ash pits and remains in addition to the modern GPR and archaeological work done by Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls.

The Communists also claimed huge amounts of ash at Majdanek where supposedly 1.5M people were killed. The Majdanek museum now claims only around 78,000 died at Majdanek. Point being, vague reports from Communist propaganda organs claiming "ash" don't count for much, and it especially doesn't establish a body count or cause of death which is what we are interested in.

[Nessie]

Links to evidence here;

Caroline Sturdy-Colls Thesis and Report

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/j.ctt21h4xwg.13.pdf

Mattogno & Graff, see page 66 onwards, for the Soviet and Polish site examinations, 1945.

https://archive.org/details/treblinkaex ... 6/mode/2up

2024 excavations

https://muzeumtreblinka.eu/en/2024/07/0 ... tion-camp/

[Archie]

To make the bodies at Treblinka disappear they would have had to have burned something like 6,400 bodies every day for several months. This would require perhaps 1,000,000 kgs of seasoned firewood per day. That's hundreds of cords of wood per day. Below is a video of 10 cords of wood being delivered. You would probably need over 40x this amount, every day. Supposedly there was a "forest kommando" that gathered these huge quantities of wood. Utterly preposterous.

[Archie]

Caroline Sturdy-Colls Thesis and Report

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

And Nessie with his usual bluff. How many times now have you spammed this thesis that you have clearly never read?

[borjastick]

Ladies and Gentlemen I give you, and you can keep him, Confused Jew!!! A man or maybe a boy who comes to the gun fight carrying a tooth pick...

Here we see him cut and paste answers and reports from other sources with not one jot of thought, consideration or even knowledge of the subject.

He sits on the fence so much only his weekly splinter removal visit from the Bottom Police can save him.

May I suggest he understand the details of what Sturdy Fence Posts said and found. Also understand the relationship between Malkinia and Treblinka and that there were many trains which left Treblinka full.

And there's more but one step at a time for the child eh.

[Nessie]

Archaeological surveys at TII, have located large areas of disturbed ground, containing cremated human remains, in the areas of the camp where mass graves were described, by the eyewitnesses who worked there. That is corroborating evidence to prove mass graves.

Revisionists cannot produce any archaeological, eyewitness or other evidence to prove that burials were limited, and most of the ground is undisturbed. That failure on their part, to revise the history of the camp, is why they are reduced to disputing the evidence.

[TlsMS93]

There is no credible source in which Franz Stangl — the commandant of Treblinka — said bodies were burned using wood the size of a cigarette pack. In Gitta Sereny's interviews (published in Into That Darkness), Stangl confirms the mass murders but does not make such absurd logistical claims. He admitted responsibility and discussed attempts to hide the evidence via cremation.

Both wood and accelerants like gasoline or diesel were used, but wood was the primary fuel. Gasoline-soaked brush was used to ignite the fires, not to sustain them. Corpses were stacked in such a way (especially when decomposed or rich in fat) that they aided combustion. This was a horrific reality that was ultimately confirmed by German SS testimonies and Jewish survivors alike.

India's cremation practices are religious, cultural, and spiritual. They are not designed to conceal evidence, as at Treblinka.
Open-air cremation in India uses dry hardwood, proper airflow, and spiritual rituals — and even then, complete cremation is difficult without significant wood (often 300–500 kg per body). The mass incineration at a death camp was an industrial process of genocide, with methods adapted for speed, concealment, and scale.

The belief that no traces were left behind is a myth. Polish forensic investigations (1945–46) documented ash pits and remains in addition to the modern GPR and archaeological work done by Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls.

And who said that his source is the only one regarding what he said?

No German document mentions transportation, whether by trucks or trains, containing wood delivered to Treblinka, nor do the witnesses support this. They maintain that the prisoners themselves were in charge of cutting down the trees within the camp perimeter and carrying them to the camp, and that no transport was used for this purpose. Based on this alone, we see the absurdity of the narrative, as if trees were something light or that there were entire divisions of prisoners in charge of this, as if the logistics of all this would allow enough to be collected to cremate the 800,000 unfortunates.

I won't even go into details about the impact of green wood on the efficiency of these cremations, which increases the need for more wood. Dry wood alone would require 3 square kilometers of clearing around the camp, and aerial photos refute this. If wood was collected, it was to cremate a small percentage of the dead from the transports, tens of thousands at most, but they couldn't even find that through Soviet-Polish forensic examinations in 1944-45, otherwise they would have made a fuss about the “fascist-Hitlerite barbarity.”

[HansHill]

Confused Jew:

Where were the 700,000 - 900,000 buried? Pre-cremation?