Bełżec
Landw. Bezirksgenossen-
schaft mAH [mit Anteilhaftung] Lager
Translation:
New Connections
Nowoprzybyli
Bełżec
District Agricultural Cooperative
with Share Liability Camp/Warehouse
What agricultural activities were conducted at Belzec, specifically? Note also that this is a new connection as of this phone book's current edition (May 1942).
2)
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Transcription:
Belżec
Polizei Poln. Polizeiposten
Translation:
Belzec
Polish Police Station
Were Polish police stationed inside Belzec?
Sobibor
1)
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Transcription:
Wola Uhruska
Gemeindeamt Sobibor
Gemeindeamt Sobibor Stulno
Translation:
Wola Uhruska
Municipal Office Sobibor
Municipal Office Sobibor Stulno
A municipal office is like a town hall; an administrative facility where management of the town and its operations are conducted. It appears by the second listing here (and from what I've seen on a map which shows no train station at Stulno, only at Sobibor) that Sobibor also conducted the office affairs for neighboring town Stulno. These kinds of activities might speak to the numerous office/clerical staff previously at T-4 before sent to Sobibor.
2)
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Transcription:
Sobibór
Forstbehörden u. Forstdienst-
stellen d. G.-G.
Oberförsterei
Ostbahn Bahnhof
Translation:
Sobibór
Forestry Authorities and Forestry Service
Offices of the G.-G. [General Government]
Head Forestry Office
Ostbahn Station
This simply shows Sobibor also had an additional phone line for it's head forestry office, and one for the train station.
Jewish Organizations
I have searched through the book and found multiple instances of phone extensions for Jewish organizations still active in May 1942 (when the book was published). Here is a categorized list of all those I could identify (each listing or location is a separate phone line):
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Information from the beginning of the book indicates these phone listings are current as of May 1942:
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Translation:
Official Telephone Directory
for the Lublin District
Published by the German Postal Service East, 1942 edition, as of May 1, 1942
Reproduction, even in part, is prohibited.
Each telephone subscriber receives one telephone directory free of charge for each main connection. Additional copies can be obtained from the Warsaw Telegraph Construction Office upon prepayment of 1.50 Zloty to postal checking account Warsaw No. 2277.
Also, I found this interesting, it is an advertisement for passenger trains (?) from Warsaw, with Malkinia as a noted destination/extension:
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Overall, I am sharing this phone book as a general intrigue and for its evidence further shaping our understanding and interpretation of Reinhardt camp purposes/applications, Jewish transfer/labor deployment, and Jewish organizational existence into 1942 in Lublin district.
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 9:56 pm
by Callafangers
Just to be clear on my questions/concerns, here... Does the exterminationist position have any explanation for:
...why Belzec setup a new phone line for a district-wide agricultural cooperative in mid-1942?
...why Belzec had a phone line specifically for Polish police?
...why Sobibor had regular/mundane government and forestry offices operating at an 'extermination' facility?
...why/how passengers could travel from Warsaw to Malkinia and not be 'gassed' but Jews couldn't?
...why so many Jewish social services, transit operations, and labor deployments were still actively in operation as of mid-1942?
Phone installations tend to imply places/locations which had considerable operations or a need for regular contact with other agencies. Notably, there is no phone line for Treblinka nor are there any other lines for Belzec and Sobibor than those shown above.
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2025 11:35 pm
by pilgrimofdark
I came across a few of these when researching Warsaw a few months ago.
The Warsaw book has a number of listings for Malkinia. A lot of construction companies, numerous government branches, "transportation and moving services," etc.
Schenker & Co. was also advertising in Warsaw for "Internationale Transporte."
Using the Official pocket timetable for the General Government, it would be about a 3-day trip to visit Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec, and make it back to the Warsaw Central station. They're all included on the timetables that are "valid from November 1, 1942."
No one was able to do this, though, because they were secret. You would never know about them unless you were reading the underground newspapers, which had circulations in the tens of thousands.
It describes numerous routes travelers can take directly through the 20-km radius around each death camp that would constantly smell of burning corpses and hair.
Of course, it doesn't describe the corpse-burning stench, just travel routes, hotels, and post offices for your trip. After all, a smell is worth a thousand words.
However, it does mention "Juden" a couple dozen times in the Travel Guide:
The Jews were resettled, and since 1940, Kazimierz has been undergoing systematic development into a pleasant German resort town.
I remember coming across a journal article trying to grapple with secret death camps being included in a German travel guide.
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 10:51 am
by Callafangers
pilgrimofdark wrote: ↑Thu Dec 18, 2025 11:35 pm
I came across a few of these when researching Warsaw a few months ago.
These are some excellent finds, pilgrimofdark.
I have tried to extract the relevant portions of each item you provided here as I think it is beneficial to put these related elements together to illustrate the bigger picture of "what [may have] really happened" at these camps.
Motor coach service from Lublin (post office) via Krasnystaw (54 km in 2¹/₄ hours) to Zamość (89 km in 3¹/₄ hours); from there (departure from the post office) in 1¹/₄ hours to Tomaszów Lubelski (36 km), then on in ¹/₄ hour to Bełżec train station (9 km).
[...]
23 km Tomaszów Lubelski (252 m), a small town of 8,000 inhabitants belonging to the Zamość district, seat of a district commissioner, beautifully situated in a valley surrounded by partly wooded hills and lakes, on the Solokija River, with remnants of old fortifications and a beautiful Baroque wooden church from the 18th century, one of the largest wooden churches in the General Government (interesting bell tower). German restaurants at Lemberger Str. 50 and Glowacki-Str. 4; information available from the district commissioner. — The road to Lemberg (motor coach service to Bełżec train station in 1/4 hour, see p. 140) continues south in a long straight line, partly through forest.
9 km Bełżec train station (p. 137). — Beyond this point, the road crosses the border between the Lublin and Galicia districts.
Yes, that's right! Just a 15-minute drive from Belzec, you'll find the lovely town of Tomaszów Lubelski, where you can enjoy fine dining at German restaurants while basking in the odor of non-stop pyres of Jewish corpses. From there, you'll continue your journey toward Lemberg, stopping at Belzec station along the way to really tickle your senses!
TREBLINKA
Come visit Malkinia station! At just ~5.5 km (3.5 miles) from Treblinka II in full-genocidal-swing, it's a breath of fresh air!:
97 km Malkinia, a village at a railway junction (see below), an important border station to the Soviet Union from 1939-41.
The railway line to Bialystok continues behind Malkinia across the border of the General Government into the German district of Bialystok (31,000 sq km), which had been under German control since August 1, 1941, and continues in a northeasterly direction. — 16 km Lapy, on the left bank of the Narew River, which is crossed here.
Not in a hurry? Then stay for awhile. Come and see the restaurants and attractions just ~20km (13 miles) northwest of Treblinka:
From Malkinia to Scharfenwiese; railway 55 km, passenger train in 1½ hours; road 57 km (see p. 101). — The railway runs in a fairly straight line in a northwesterly direction through farmland, heath, or forest.
21 km Ostrow (130 m), a district town of 15,000 inhabitants in the Warsaw district, located near the border with the Bialystok district, with a town hall from 1927, a Neo-Gothic town church (19th century), and an old wooden cemetery chapel.
GERMAN FACILITIES: German House; German restaurant and German café; cinema; swimming stadium. — INFORMATION available from the District Administration and the NSDAP.
Still hungry? Buy some groceries at the town of Kossow (Kosow Lacki), just 11 km (7.5 miles) southeast of Treblinka! How to get there? Simply take the train toward Siedlce which passes directly by Treblinka II:
From Malkinia to Siedlce: Railway 66 km, passenger train in 1¾ hours; road 85 km (see p. 101). — The railway curves south and crosses the Bug River; it then continues across the marshy Bug valley, followed by heathland and forest. — 16 km Kossów, a market town on the Kossówka River, which the railway now follows; then through wooded hills. — 37 km Sokolow-Podlaski (see below); continuing south. — 66 km Siedlce (see p. 105), on the main line from Warsaw to Brest-Litovsk (Route 13).
Sounds relaxing!
SOBIBOR
From Chełm to Włodawa: Railway (branch line) 45 km in
1¹/₄-1¹/₂ hours, road 47 km. — The route leads north through the Chełm region, which is in some places more densely forested here (see above). The railway line runs near the left bank of the Bug River at the Uhrusk station (22 km) and finally reaches the Bug Włodawski station, located 4 km southeast of Włodawa on the left bank of the river; the mostly straight road passes 17 km beyond Chełm, not far east of the market town of Sawin. — Włodawa (150 m; German House), a town of 8,000 inhabitants, seat of a district commissioner's office belonging to the Chełm district, is situated on the left bank of the Bug River, which forms the border between the General Government and the Reichskommissariat Ukraine.
The train being described above makes a couple stops not explicitly named, Sobibor being one of them (this stop is confirmed in the timetables below). Just ~5-6km (~3.5 miles) from Sobibor is this town of 8,000 people, Wlodawa:
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Safe travels!
***
What we see above is that Reinhardt camps were not some biblical-scale operation requiring absolute isolation and secrecy from the general public, which is exactly what the chaos of killing, decomposing, and mass burning of millions of people/corpses would require. Instead, we see facilities that were more or less okay for travelers to pass through without raising considerable suspicion.
To say this aligns better with a revisionist interpretation is a massive understatement.
Here, we see Belzec as a major station along the Rejowiec - Rawa Ruska line. Every day, Belzec would accept trains at the following times (direction in parenthesis; SE/southeast = from Lublin toward Lemberg):
Each train is stopped at the station for 3-6 minutes before departure. Does this mean the mass cremations (and screams of the 'gassings', etc.) were stopped 6+ times per day for at least several minutes, to minimize the suspicion of regular travelers? Or were these operations allowed to continue uninterrupted? Somehow, we neither have an abundance of witnesses to horror-screams and extraordinary stench-plumes of hundreds of thousands of corpses, nor do we have 'Sonderkommando' witnesses or Germans postwar mentioning a recurring pause to the 'extermination' when trains arrived.
These passenger trains are in addition to any "special trains" (with Jews and/or their property, of course). So this would require even more careful coordination, to ensure no overlap in sinister activities and the facade for traveling civilians.
What about those passengers who needed to depart the train? Perhaps they had a nearby destination, which of course is what train stations are for. Did the SS scurry them out of town immediately?
Very strange, indeed.
TREBLINKA
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Here is another train schedule which confirms the travel guide excerpts shown previously, such as that Malkinia was also a major station, just right up the road from T-II operations (~3.5 miles away). Regular, daily trains passed directly by the non-stop T-II mass cremation spectacle, going both directions (north and south):
8:25am (N)
11:53am (N)
12:18pm (S)
3:15pm (S)
3:54pm (N)
8:38pm (S)
11:53pm (N)
"Hi honey, what did you see on the train today?":
SOBIBOR
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We have the same here at Sobibor, where trains were received frequently and Sobibor shows in bold (major station). This is yet another situation where one must wonder how a 'cover-up' is possible when passengers are arriving and stopped multiple times daily right outside of the 'extermination camp':
CHELMNO
Chelmno did not have a train station (which is actually a logistical argument against its use as an 'extermination camp') however it did have one train station nearby (about 18km or 11 miles) which appears to have had some use. I'm sharing it here as I found this information complementary to other revisionist findings about Chelmno (e.g. in Mattogno's work). The station in question is Laskowitz, here in a 1944 Polish army map as "Laskowice":
AUSCHWITZ
Funny enough, Auschwitz also makes an appearance in these train schedules, which makes sense as I recall at least one or two instances of Jewish testimony indicating explicitly that they took a passenger train out of Auschwitz into another concentration/labor camp.
Here is where Auschwitz appears on another timetable, seemingly as a detour (?):
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***
Altogether, these findings are of a similar kind to that of the 1942 phone book: capturing documented facts about these camps, so that we might overcome the 'noise' of conspired lies and postwar narratives. I will need to circle back and review the other phone book editions you provided as well, pilgrimofdark, as time permits.
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:34 pm
by Stubble
Not to be overly critical, these service stops are a couple of kilometers from the Bug River camps bearing their names, not that it matters much, the smoke from the alleged pyres at Treblinka II for example would have been visible in Warsaw...
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:48 pm
by Hans
Callafangers wrote: ↑Fri Dec 19, 2025 10:51 amCHELMNO
Chelmno did not have a train station (which is actually a logistical argument against its use as an 'extermination camp') however it did have one train station nearby (about 18km or 11 miles) which appears to have had some use. I'm sharing it here as I found this information complementary to other revisionist findings about Chelmno (e.g. in Mattogno's work). The station in question is Laskowitz, here in a 1944 Polish army map as "Laskowice":
Congrats you’ve beaten Stubbe by roughly 50 km in the Holocaust deniers "research" contest for the most distant misidentification of Chełmno nad Nerem.
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:17 pm
by Nessie
Callafangers wrote: ↑Thu Dec 18, 2025 9:56 pm
Just to be clear on my questions/concerns, here... Does the exterminationist position have any explanation for:
...why Belzec setup a new phone line for a district-wide agricultural cooperative in mid-1942?
...why Belzec had a phone line specifically for Polish police?
...why Sobibor had regular/mundane government and forestry offices operating at an 'extermination' facility?
Are you getting the villages of Belzec and Sobibor mixed up with the camps?
[*] ...why/how passengers could travel from Warsaw to Malkinia and not be 'gassed' but Jews couldn't?
How/why would Polish people travel from Warsaw to Malkinia? By train, or road, to visit family, or on business and the Nazis would manage not to gas them. Jews were subject to arrest and were only allowed to travel on guarded transports.
[*] ...why so many Jewish social services, transit operations, and labor deployments were still actively in operation as of mid-1942?[/list]
Certain Jews saw cooperation, with what they believed was a resettlement programme, was the best way to survive.
Phone installations tend to imply places/locations which had considerable operations or a need for regular contact with other agencies. Notably, there is no phone line for Treblinka nor are there any other lines for Belzec and Sobibor than those shown above.
Are you sure about that?
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:21 pm
by Stubble
Yes Hans, let's all make fun of Stubble for confusing a Soviet concentration and labor camp (gulag) bearing the same name but physically in a different spot with Chelmno...
FFS
Regardless, smoke from 'the volcano' of burning corpses at Treblinka II would have been visible in Warsaw from the ghetto...
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:25 pm
by Hans
Callafangers wrote: ↑Thu Dec 18, 2025 5:07 am
Here is an interesting find:
Bełżec
Landw. Bezirksgenossen-
schaft mAH [mit Anteilhaftung] Lager
Translation:
New Connections
Nowoprzybyli
Bełżec
District Agricultural Cooperative
with Share Liability Camp/Warehouse
What agricultural activities were conducted at Belzec, specifically? Note also that this is a new connection as of this phone book's current edition (May 1942).
2)
BelzecPolice.jpg
Transcription:
Belżec
Polizei Poln. Polizeiposten
Translation:
Belzec
Polish Police Station
Were Polish police stationed inside Belzec?
You sound as if "Belzec" was not an ordinary Polish village and identical to the nearby stationed SS-Sonderkommando Belzec.
Indeed intriguing that a Polish village had agricultural activity and local Polish police presence
Callafangers wrote: ↑Fri Dec 19, 2025 10:51 amCHELMNO
Chelmno did not have a train station (which is actually a logistical argument against its use as an 'extermination camp') however it did have one train station nearby (about 18km or 11 miles) which appears to have had some use. I'm sharing it here as I found this information complementary to other revisionist findings about Chelmno (e.g. in Mattogno's work). The station in question is Laskowitz, here in a 1944 Polish army map as "Laskowice":
Congrats you’ve beaten Stubbe by roughly 50 km in the Holocaust deniers "research" contest for the most distant misidentification of Chełmno nad Nerem.
Hans, pardon me for finding it a bit silly/childish that upon my listing of:
Regular passenger train visits with ~5-minute stops 6-8 times per day at the largest 'extermination camps'
Tourism into and immediately around these 'extermination camps' actively promoted by an officially-sanctioned travel guide
Phone numbers suggesting entirely innocuous purposes and priorities for each camp
...your 'takeaway' and all you can apparently add to the discussion is a "gotcha" about a misinterpretation of a place named "Chełmno" in Poland as another place named "Chełmno" in Poland.
*slow clap*
The truth is, I simply have never made an attempt to map Chelmno or to understand its specific geographic context, and Poland is a very large place.
Although you likely didn't intend your criticism to be constructive, I accept it as such. With that said, here is what we can say about the real Chelmno in question, Chełmno nad Nerem:
This alleged 'extermination' site is a few miles southeast of modern-day Kolo, which was known as Warthbrucken during the German occupation:
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Warthbrucken is a major train hub and station, as evident from the schedules:
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On the same schedules above, we notice that another train stop, Barlogi (Barloh), is about the same distance from Chelmno:
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Trains stopped at Warthbrucken throughout the day:
Most of these same trains also passed through and stopped at Barlogi (Barloh).
But it doesn't end there, as there is yet another, perpendicular railway line (141s) which also runs alongside Chelmno:
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The Dable (Dąbie) train station is a short distance away:
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And the Ponentow station is even closer, at less than 5 miles away from where 'extermination' allegedly occurred:
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Ponentow and Dabie had multiple daily trains. For Ponentow (also stops at Dabie):
6:14am (S)
10:13am (N)
4:41pm (S)
9:10pm (S)
9:49pm (N)
All of these trains are in addition to the numerous roads for motor vehicle travel in the area.
These areas are also being advertised for travelers in 1942-3. You can stay at the lovely 'Hotel Deutsches Haus' while you observe the endless cremation pyres just a few miles down the road:
129 km Warthbrücken (formerly Kolo; 93 m), a bustling district town of 12,000 inhabitants, located 2½ km south of the train station at an important river crossing, with a remarkable parish church from the 14th century and a town hall from 1815, whose Gothic tower still dates from an earlier 14th-century building; Hotel Deutsches Haus, 16 beds.
The railway now leaves the Warta Valley and continues eastward through hilly terrain. — At (138 km) Barloh, it crosses the coal railway built by the Poles in 1934 for transporting coal from Katowice to Gdynia. — 147 km Tonningen (see p. 23). — 166 km Kroßwitz (see p. 23).
[Baedecker's GG Handbook, p. 18]
Altogether, we are looking at least at a concerning situation where hundreds of thousands of corpses were burnt non-stop as travelers and thousands of local residents sat on outdoor patios observing (and smelling) the volcanic plumes over some coffee and schnitzel, just a few miles away.
But we are also looking at the reality of the area: multiple active transit routes (more than any other 'extermination' camp) enabling widespread deployment for labor or general deportation.
As already mentioned, Mattogno's findings in chapters 12 and 15 of 'Chelmno' are worth considering for further context (and probable convergence), here.
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 10:08 pm
by Stubble
It's ok Fangers, if any aircraft flew by, the Germans put 'some leaves' over the flaming volcano of corpses I'm sure, just like at Treblinka II, to keep the flames and smoke from being photographed.
I wonder if there is any film stock shot in the region contemporary with the alleged operation that could show us if there was indeed any smoke or not...
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 10:30 pm
by Callafangers
Hans wrote: ↑Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:25 pm
You sound as if "Belzec" was not an ordinary Polish village and identical to the nearby stationed SS-Sonderkommando Belzec.
Indeed intriguing that a Polish village had agricultural activity and local Polish police presence
It's definitely intriguing that at the exact same time Jews were being first sent through Belzec, a "[Galicia] district agricultural collective" is newly being established (along with its "Lager" [camp or warehouse]), which reflects developing agricultural works and labor needs for the Galicia district, where Belzec is situated precisely at the border, and with this new facility in Belzec being some centralized office or major point-of-contact. Some might say this is evidence of labor deployments into Galicia-Ukraine.
As for Polish police, why do you suppose the German occupation and SS would tolerate Polish police stationed within one mile of their sinister genocide operation?
Overall, it seems strange that a place which should become more tightly-controlled as genocide operations commence instead becomes more labor-focused at a district-wide level, and has neutral (non-German, non-collaborator) police presence on-site.
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 11:05 pm
by Callafangers
Stubble wrote: ↑Fri Dec 19, 2025 10:08 pm
It's ok Fangers, if any aircraft flew by, the Germans put 'some leaves' over the flaming volcano of corpses I'm sure, just like at Treblinka II, to keep the flames and smoke from being photographed.
I think the official narrative would say:
"The Nazis were so diabolical that whenever they noticed aircraft overhead, they threw even MORE Jews onto the pile in order to proudly show what great executioners they were... but this caused the snuffing-out of the fires coincidentally."
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2025 11:46 pm
by Stubble
You may find this hard to believe, but, in 'A Year in Treblinka' the claim is when there were aircraft overhead, brush was used to conceal the operation.
This of course leads me to point out how ridiculous that statement is by implying that leaves were placed on 'the corpse volcano' to conceal it.
Re: An Old Phone Book (1942)
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2025 12:56 am
by Callafangers
Stubble wrote: ↑Fri Dec 19, 2025 11:46 pm
You may find this hard to believe, but, in 'A Year in Treblinka' the claim is when there were aircraft overhead, brush was used to conceal the operation.
This of course leads me to point out how ridiculous that statement is by implying that leaves were placed on 'the corpse volcano' to conceal it.
That is pretty mind-boggling but I am not surprised.
