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What if the Holocaust was a hoax?

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2026 12:30 pm
by Nessie
Bombsaway said;
If revisionism was shown to be correct to me, I would be shocked of course, but far more fascinated and interested in how something like this could have happened, the psychological or conspiratorial factors in the mass false confessions, the question of the silent witnesses.
Agreed. I would now want detailed study of how it was possible to get the mass false confessions, fake the trials, to silence millions who knew that millions of Jews survived the war, how archaeologists were persuaded to fake finds at the AR camps and Chelmno and how historians and journalists could write so many false histories. I would also want to know how it was possible to get so many post war political parties, of so many political persuasions, to support the Holocaust narrative.

The ramifications would be massive and affect millions of people. It would politically destroy Israel as a country, but many more countries would have politicians who would have a lot of questions to answer. I suspect it would also destroy Judaism as a religion, as the hate generated would drive its adherents either underground or to totally reject religion.

Re: What if the Holocaust was a hoax?

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2026 1:56 pm
by HansHill
Timewasting bait thread.

Re: What if the Holocaust was a hoax?

Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2026 3:37 pm
by Nessie
If the Holocaust was found to be a hoax, those genuinely interested in history, criminal investigations and hoaxes would have a field day with the study of what happened, whereas Holocaust deniers would use it to destroy Israel and Judaism.

Re: What if the Holocaust was a hoax?

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 4:33 am
by Archie
*Makes a bunch of bad assumptions
"How could a hoax like this be possible?!"

Re: What if the Holocaust was a hoax?

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 6:12 am
by bombsaway
It would be a worldshaking event, that's for sure, and not just because of the ramifications for the hoax perpetrators. It would destabilize reality, fundamental notions about truth and history.

Re: What if the Holocaust was a hoax?

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 7:10 am
by Nessie
Archie wrote: Thu Mar 12, 2026 4:33 am *Makes a bunch of bad assumptions
"How could a hoax like this be possible?!"
That is not the topic, which is what happens next, after the Holocaust becomes widely accepted as a hoax?

Re: What if the Holocaust was a hoax?

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 3:01 pm
by pilgrimofdark
It would have barely any impact at all.

"The Holocaust" is a term with religious connotations that lacks any analytical value.

As historians have acknowledged:
The terms ‘Holocaust’ and ‘Shoah’ are not useful since neither has any analytical value. ‘Holocaust’ (derived from the Greek holókauton, or burned sacrifice) has a religious connotation unbefitting of the event it is supposed to refer to, and users of this term may mean by it either the persecution and murder of Jews alone, or Nazi German violence against any group more generally. [...] Importantly, ‘Holocaust’ and ‘Shoah’ have also been criticized as “teleological and anachronistic” terms that convey a retrospective view that makes complex processes appear “as a single event.”

- Gerlach, The Extermination of the European Jews, pp. 14-15.
YIVO proves Gerlach's point by writing that the term basically encompasses every single anti-Jewish action that took place between 1933-1945 by Germany or any of its allies, regardless of context.
The term Holocaust is a designation for the catastrophic losses suffered by the Jews of Europe (and, to a far lesser extent, in North Africa) as a result of actions taken by the government of Germany or its allies between 1933 and 1945.

- Holocaust: An Overview
As a religious term encompassing everything, "the Holocaust" can't be shown to be a hoax or real.

The fact that Butz's one word "hoax" still sends people into paroxysms of shrieking is amusing, though.

Re: What if the Holocaust was a hoax?

Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 6:32 pm
by Keen
Nesserta wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 12:30 pm how archaeologists were persuaded to fake finds at the AR camps and Chelmno
"Fake finds"?
fake

not genuine;
gen·u·ine

truly what something is said to be;
Show us a genuine mass grave that was "found" within the boundary of Treblinka II.