Nessie wrote: ↑Wed May 28, 2025 10:52 am
No.
1 - Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Italy, Austria, West Germany and Greece, all never behind the Iron Curtain, provide evidence of at least part of their Jewish population being identified, arrested and transported, east or north, and that the majority did not return after the war. So they also participate in the supposed hoax and are outwith Soviet influence.
2 - Denmark and Finland refused, to the most part, to cooperate with the Nazis and the whereabouts of their Jewish populations during the war is known. They also do not fall under Soviet influence.
You answered "No", seeming to imply the linchpin of your position is not the Soviet Union, and yet the Jews of all these nations you listed were allegedly sent to the Soviet Union. Do you suppose the nations of each Jew's origin was able to communicate with them telepathically, even once they were behind the Iron Curtain?
Nessie wrote:3 - It is not coincidence that most of the killings took place in the east, since the vast majority of European Jews lived in the east. It made sense for the Nazis to transport western and southern European Jews to the same places they were mass murdering eastern Jews.
Which killings? Your attempts to quantify these rely on unsubstantiated estimates or patterns of atrocity lies. I'm guessing you meant to say "made NO sense for the Nazis to transport..." but you're wrong -- it makes perfect sense, when you have partisan/guerrilla activity in an area with a subversive population that is embedded into the local structures and territory, to regard that local [Jewish] population as far more of a threat than those you've brought in externally, who will seldom speak the local language and are carefully controlled throughout their movements (they are already in captivity). This eastbound movement sifted Jews through as many locations needed, until properly quarantined through war's end. This is what the official policy (and candid records like Goebbels' diary) suggest.
Nessie wrote:4 - It is the Poles, and Polish and Slovakian escaped prisoners, who provided the original Holocaust narrative, not the Soviets. So-called revisionists play down the role of the Polish Government in Exile in London, which was not under Soviet influence. The majority of the killings took place in Poland, which whilst behind the Iron Curtain, retained its status as a nation, unlike Ukraine and the Baltci States. When Communism collapsed, and the Soviets admitted to being responsible for Katyn, and any reason for Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic States to support a Soviet hoax ended, all of those countries continued to admit to their responsibility and role in the Holocaust.
Yes and we all know how reliable that "original narrative" has been, and how much "Poles, and Polish and Slovakian escaped prisoners" were eager to tell the whole truth which could exonerate and benefit their former captors. The Poles had their own obvious political and personal motives against Germany, and their stories are quite often as laughably absurd as the Jewish ones.
Nessie wrote:5 - According to historians, Romania, an Axis country aligned to the Nazis, conducted its own Holocaust, killing Jews with no Nazi influence or assistance. Is that a hoax? Why do the other Communist countries still admit to their roles in the Holocaust, long after the ending of Soviet influence? If Ukraine had evidence of a Soviet hoax, do you not think we would know about it by now, after Putin used a supposed rise in Nazism as one of his excuses to invade?
The people you say are 'admitting' to anything were not even alive during the war. These are people advancing a narrative because the victors of WW2 became the top global powers thereafter, meaning that there are myriad ways to get smaller, less influential nations to curry their favor.
Nessie wrote:6 - A popular denier trope on X, is to point out that Churchill, Roosevelt and de Gaulle did not write about the Holocaust. But, neither did Stalin. Indeed, there was never an official Soviet history of the Holocaust, or a memorial to it. Why would the supposed promoters of the Holocaust hoax, not promote it?
Nessie, how on Earth do you think this is a 'win' for you? You add another name to the list of leading figure biographies who do not even say so much as a footnote about the 'Holocaust', and you think this is proof the 'Holocaust happened'? Amazing.
The Soviet Unions actions and interests remain shrouded in mystery. Even today, there are major debates about how and whether Stalin was 'antisemitic' at all. Most would say he certainly was, but it was something he kept more or less obscure. His omission of the 'Holocaust' was likely due to recognizing such a discussion would have to mostly be about Jews, but Soviet interests preferred emphasizing the suffering of "Soviet citizens", instead. Thus, there are many reasons why Stalin may have excluded this, but far more if he had either (1) killed hundreds of thousands of Jews at/near war's end, and/or (2) entered into a covert agreement to relocate quarantined Jews into Israel or globally. If Germany had truly made all the Jews vanish (by 'gas chambers', no less) it would seem far more unusual that Stalin/Churchill/de Gaulle would not write about this.