How do you know what the Krema walls looked like?

[HansHill]

Blue staining will appear gradually, starting in the plasterwork and then working its way into the bricks.

There is no iron in plaster so Prussian Blue cannot form from HCN on plaster. Bricks have iron the quantity depending on the brick. There are other factors such as moisture which determine the formation of P blue. Plasterwork would prevent any formation of prussian blue unless it was cracked or some parts removed to expose the bricks.

This is only partly true Nazgul



Really the iron content of plaster can vary, example above of a plastered wall - with plaster low in iron content. As we can see, for this reason and othes such you have mentioned, we see only minor blue staining.

However, thanks to the work done by Rudolf, we know exactly the iron contents of the plaster samples taken at Krema II demonstrating consistent iron contents with the heavily blue stained samples from other iron-rich plaster

This picture shows the interior plaster wall from the delousing chamber, and represents samples 9 and 11, with the given iron contents of the plaster samples

[HansHill]

stupid comments

Just because you cannot work out how Fred Leuchter stole all the blue bricks does not mean he did not.

[Nessie]

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How do you know that the Krema walls did not look like that?

The inconsistency in staining, from nothing, to very obvious, even on the same wall, means that what little there is to see of the Krema walls, now, is not an indication of what was visible in Krema I in 1941-2, the bunker farm houses in 1942-3 and Kremas II to V in 1943-4.

The inconsistency in staining and the results obtained, prove that walls did not react uniformly to exposure to Zyklon B.

[Nessie]

stupid comments

Just because you cannot work out how Fred Leuchter stole all the blue bricks does not mean he did not.

Logically, that is correct. There is, however, no evidence he stole any blue bricks. Logically, just because you cannot work out why the residues of HCN found in what little remains of the various gas chambers, does not therefore mean they were not gas chambers. There is, however, evidence they were used as gas chambers.

[Stubble]

I think it is fair to note that Fred Ziffel showed conclusively the mobility of iron blue.

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... &start=150

here is the other side of the wall with the pipe and blue staining. [...]

It is hard to ignore the fact that concrete, plaster and bricks are permeable materials and that iron blue vapor is mobile though them.

This case specifically also shows us the circumstances under which this can occur, because, it only happened in one of the rooms with a shared wall.

(The orthodox narrative surrounding the operation of the homicidal gas chambers at Kremas II and III becomes paradoxical when viewed in its proper context. For example, Nessie here says there was a 'pre heater' for LK1, if that's the case, there should be loads of iron blue peaking through plaster anywhere there was direct contact with the brickwork(which would be throughout most of it.)

[Archie]

I think it is fair to note that Fred Ziffel showed conclusively the mobility of iron blue.

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... &start=150

here is the other side of the wall with the pipe and blue staining. [...]

It is hard to ignore the fact that concrete, plaster and bricks are permeable materials and that iron blue vapor is mobile though them.

This case specifically also shows us the circumstances under which this can occur, because, it only happened in one of the rooms with a shared wall.

Roth (the lab chemist) also testified (reluctantly) along these lines at the second Zundel trial. In later interviews (not under oath) he tried to walk things back a bit. But what he said in his original testimony is more reliable.

Roth was shown Exhibit 144, a colour photograph of the blue staining on the wall of Delousing Facility No. 1 at Birkenau from which sample 32 had been removed. He indicated that the blue colour was what was commonly referred to as "Prussian blue." (33-9289) The chemical definition of Prussian blue was ferro-ferri-cyanide. (33-9297) Prussian blue was an iron cyanide produced by a reaction between iron and the hydrogen cyanide. It was a very stable compound which stayed around a long time. If hydrogen cyanide came into contact with bricks or mortar containing iron, it was fully conceivable that a reaction of the iron and hydrogen cyanide would take place, leaving behind the Prussian blue. (33-9290) In porous materials such as brick and mortar, the Prussian blue could go fairly deep as long as the surface stayed open, but as the Prussian blue formed, it was possible that it would seal the porous material and stop the penetration. If all surface iron was converted to Prussian blue, the reaction would effectively stop for lack of exposed iron. (33 9291)

Roth testified that the iron/cyanide reaction capabilities of samples 9 and 29 were no different from that of sample 32. If samples 9 and 29 had been exposed continually everyday for two years to 300 parts per million of hydrogen cyanide, Roth testified that he would expect to see the formation of the iron cyanide compounds; the so called "Prussian blue" material, in detectable amounts. The reaction of the two substances was an accumulative reaction; the reaction continued with each exposure. One way for this reaction not to occur would be a lack of water. These reactions, in many cases, required water or vapour in order to occur. However, in rooms of normal temperatures and normal humidity, there would be plenty of moisture present for this type of reaction to take place. (33-9293, 9294)

Prussian blue did not normally disappear unless it was physically removed. To be removed from a porous material like a brick it would have to be removed by sandblasting or grinding down the surface or by the application of a strong acid such as high levels of sulphuric, nitric or hydrochloric acid. It would be more difficult to remove from porous surfaces because of the fact that the formation would have taken on depth. (33-9297, 9298)

https://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/34roth.html

[Archie]

This whole thread is textbook "Holocaust of the gaps."

"Maybe there was imaginary Prussian blue on the walls that have been destroyed. So let's assume there was."

He also seems to think Krema II and III were completely vaporized? No idea where he got this completely wrong idea.

[HansHill]

He also seems to think Krema II and III were completely vaporized? No idea where he got this completely wrong idea.

We simply can't rule out the idea of Fred Leuchter stealing the blue bricks. Did you study the CCTV footage i posted earlier?

[Wetzelrad]

Only Krema I is intact, but it was heavily modified in 1944, to be used as an air raid shelter. It was clearly painted and had plaster repairs, since it was converted back to show the Leichenkeller.

I agree it's been repaired, but where was it painted? Can you point to where in the picture you think these hypothetical blue stains were covered up?

[HansHill]

Only Krema I is intact, but it was heavily modified in 1944, to be used as an air raid shelter. It was clearly painted and had plaster repairs, since it was converted back to show the Leichenkeller.

I agree it's been repaired, but where was it painted? Can you point to where in the picture you think these hypothetical blue stains were covered up?

The Soviets are understood to have demolished one wall too many in Krema 1, as indicated here



For Nessie's """""theory""""" to hold, and since this wall would have been directly exposed to HcN, this means the Soviets in demolishing this wall either encountered blue staining, or didn't. Nessie must now explain to us for his theory to hold, why the Allies obfuscated or otherwise interfered with the only evidence to substantiate his """"""""theory"""""""""

[Fred Ziffel]

They also moved the doorway to where it was not See attached
My guess is to legitimize the location of the ceiling holes inside this so-called GC

[HansHill]

They also moved the doorway to where it was not See attached
My guess is to legitimize the location of the ceiling holes inside this so-called GC

I totally forgot about that. This means the interior of the "new" door not only exposes internal brickwork assumed to contain HCN deposits, but it also mean that the soviets removed / destroyed the material from that wall which either was or was not stained blue.

Nessie? How can you explain this obfuscation from the Allies? Either they saw blue and destroyed it, or saw no blue and destroyed it. This is disastrous for your """"""""""""""""""theory"""""""""""""""""""""

[Fred Ziffel]

I just found this in my 1000s of photos
It gives a side view of the wall at the doorway that was made by the Pols in the 1940s

[Callafangers]

Only Krema I is intact, but it was heavily modified in 1944, to be used as an air raid shelter. It was clearly painted and had plaster repairs, since it was converted back to show the Leichenkeller.

I'm going to add a crackpipe to that memorial shrine because that's what it takes for 'Holocaust' nonsense to be believed.

[Nessie]

This whole thread is textbook "Holocaust of the gaps."

You fill many gaps with hypothesis. Indeed, your entire history of the Holocaust, is one big gap, where you cannot evidence what happened to millions of Jews in 1944 and 1945.

"Maybe there was imaginary Prussian blue on the walls that have been destroyed. So let's assume there was."

Strawman misrepresentation. You do not want to admit that I may well be correct, and that Prussian blue did start to form on the walls of one, or more of the gas chambers.

He also seems to think Krema II and III were completely vaporized? No idea where he got this completely wrong idea.

Another misrepresentation. The Leichenkeller of Krema II has very limited access and there is no access for Krema III, to see inside and what the walls looked like.