Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[Keen]

To really prove no mass graves, there would be evidence that the ground where witnesses claimed mass graves were located, was undisturbed, or it had little in the way of disturbances and what was buried, was not corpses. They cannot do that, so they merely dispute the evidence of large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated human remains.

This not true, the evidence has been presented that the current site of TII was used as a Soviet artillary and aerial bombing range. This is constantly ignored by this poster as is the fact of the stops of transports at Jewish Labour camps. He demands evidence but ignores what fails to confirm some bizarre theory he has.

No evidence has been presented that TII was used as a range. There is evidence of the use of explosives, as Soviet soldiers joined the local Polish grave robbers. That evidence has not been ignored. You ignore all the evidence of the digging of mass graves at the camp.

Neither has the evidence of stops by transports on the way to the camp been ignored. I have done more research than you, in to what happened at the stops, and found evidence they were not to let prisoners off to go to nearby camps and ghettos. You have failed to produce evidence that prisoners were let off and ignore evidence those camps and ghettos were temporary and most closed before TII did.

[Keen]

No evidence has been presented that TII was used as a range. There is evidence of the use of explosives, as Soviet soldiers joined the local Polish grave robbers. That evidence has not been ignored. You ignore all the evidence of the digging of mass graves at the camp.

Evidence has been presented and conveniently forgotten by yourself. It is presented again.
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/AmicusCuriaeDemjanjuk.html

The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army. This obliteration of traces of the Treblinka II camp by the Soviets took place because the Soviet propaganda machine tried to attach a 3,500,000 victim-count to this small, 12-hectare transit camp. Apparently, the Soviets were afraid that the Allies might request an international commission of investigation of the camp, as demanded by the November 15th, 1942 report of the underground government of the Warsaw ghetto. The report of the Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland was explicit in putting the blame for this obliteration of the camp where it belonged, on the Red Army, for the: "premeditated destruction of evidence of German crimes and atrocities as well as profanation of partially cremated human remains and ashes."

[Keen]

No evidence has been presented that TII was used as a range. There is evidence of the use of explosives, as Soviet soldiers joined the local Polish grave robbers. That evidence has not been ignored. You ignore all the evidence of the digging of mass graves at the camp.

Evidence has been presented and conveniently forgotten by yourself. Due to this dishonesty the admins should decide your fate.
http://www.vho.org/GB/c/AmicusCuriaeDemjanjuk.html

The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army. This obliteration of traces of the Treblinka II camp by the Soviets took place because the Soviet propaganda machine tried to attach a 3,500,000 victim-count to this small, 12-hectare transit camp. Apparently, the Soviets were afraid that the Allies might request an international commission of investigation of the camp, as demanded by the November 15th, 1942 report of the underground government of the Warsaw ghetto. The report of the Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland was explicit in putting the blame for this obliteration of the camp where it belonged, on the Red Army, for the: "premeditated destruction of evidence of German crimes and atrocities as well as profanation of partially cremated human remains and ashes."

The Commission was condemning the Soviets for destroying evidence, not that they were using it as a "range". Do you know what a range is? Can you not understand your own source? The Commission must have not been aware that the use of explosives was by soldiers joining in with the grave robbing and that it did not involve aerial bombing, for which there is no evidence.

Now, stop lying that I ignore that the camp was subject to the use of explosives and remember, this thread is about Belzec, not TII.

[Keen]

The Commission was condemning the Soviets for destroying evidence, not that they were using it as a "range".

The lack of comprehension by the above poster is wanting. Let me highlight the important bits.
The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army.

To pulverize something means to do great damage to it or to destroy it completely; this is not just destroying evidence.

[Keen]

Nessie:

There is evidence of the use of explosives. That evidence has not been ignored.

Stop lying that I ignore that the camp was subject to the use of explosives.

Nessie,

1 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; It has been evidenced that the Treblinka II camp was pulverized with aerial bombs - ??

2 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, septic pits, etc. - were dug at Treblinka II - ??

3 - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Archaeologists can easily distinguish a garbage pit from a mass grave?

4 - How many actual mass graves did CSC actually prove actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

[Keen]

This is a good place to put these:

[Keen]

My bad, i inadvertantly edited this post while trying to to copy a quote.

[Nessie]

Photo of grave robbers at the camp, showing skulls they had found;

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts ... -gold-rush

[Keen]

Photo of grave robbers at the camp, showing skulls they had found;

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts ... -gold-rush

Looks like 15 skulls. Where were they uncovered?

And so much for the claim that jewish graves can't be disturbed.

Can you prove that they came from any of the 15 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves"?



Where are the remains of the other 924,985 jews alleged to be buried in TII?

[Keen]

I see that Roberto is dodging my questions asked in the above post, so I'll move on for now.

The history of the camp is that you cannot be shown a mass grave

Nessie, what are we being shown here in the top photo?

[Keen]

How many actual mass graves did CSC actually prove actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp?

An acceptable answer will be one of the following:

0., 1., 2., 3., 4., 5., 6., 7., 8., 9., 10., 11., 12., 13., 14., 15., or More than 15.

11.

Which 11?

G32, G29, G1/G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54.

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18155#p18155

But notice that Retardo listed 12 "huge mass graves," not 11.

Did CSC scientifically prove that those 11 alleged "huge mass graves" actually exist and currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Did CSC conclusively prove that those 11 alleged "huge mass graves" actually exist and currently contain human remains - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie:

The answer to that goes back to the question;

"Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Archaeologists can easily distinguish a garbage pit from a mass grave?"

For which you said;

"An acceptable answer is either - Yes. - or - No."

But I had pointed out that what is inside a grave is reliably determined by excavation, not just geophysics. Geophysics scientifically and conclusively proves that there are pits, G32, G29, G1/G44, G4, G38, G36, G50, G51, G52, G53, G54 and that they exist. But it does not prove that those pits contain human remains. To do that, other evidence, such as an excavation, is needed.

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18164#p18164

Nessie:

"A mass grave is defined as a grave containing multiple human corpses, or the remains of multiple people."

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18174#p18174

multiple
...
: consisting of, including, or involving more than one

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/multiple

actual
...
a
: existing in fact or reality
b
: not false or apparent

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/actual

[Stubble]

11?

Keen, you should grab the contemporary 1940's 3 witness maps and ask him to show you on them. There are 3 of them. They indicate only 4 'huge mass graves', that happen to coincide with the GPR/LIDAR returns for g51, g52, g53 and g54.

That could be coincidental, and nothing has been 'proved up', but, if I were going to drop shovel and excavate, I'd start by going right there, because if there are any collections of bodies in various states at that camp, x marks the spot.

The rest, it isn't indicated by the collaborative witness maps, and if you want the truth out of a man, put him in a room with 2 more.

/shrug

[Keen]

11?

Keen, you should grab the contemporary 1940's 3 witness maps and ask him to show you on them. There are 3 of them. They indicate only 4 'huge mass graves', that happen to coincide with the GPR/LIDAR returns for g51, g52, g53 and g54.

That could be coincidental, and nothing has been 'proved up', but, if I were going to drop shovel and excavate, I'd start by going right there, because if there are any collections of bodies in various states at that camp, x marks the spot.

The rest, it isn't indicated by the collaborative witness maps, and if you want the truth out of a man, put him in a room with 2 more.

/shrug

At the moment I'm focusing on Roberto's allegation that CSC actually proved that 12 actual mass graves actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp.

I'm sure you can clearly see from my last post what a pathological liar Nessie / Roberto is.

[Stubble]

Personally I think the fellow is deluded, and that explanation strikes me as sufficient.

Hanlon's razor.

[Keen]

Personally I think the fellow is deluded, and that explanation strikes me as sufficient.

Hanlon's razor.

Roberto's mental illness and cowardice is legendary.