A simple Sobibor Challenge for "Revisionists"

[Keen]

I had started at 10% of the alleged tally based on physical grave space projected by Kola.

I have amended my position to roughly 5,000 persons maximum buried at the alleged mass murder site based on review of the digs. I readily admit that this could be further drawn downward if the remains were actually quantified and found to be even less, which I consider to be very likely.

This is not 'The Revisionist Position' but merely my own personal assessment of the data as it has come down to us.

Callafangers:

you will need to at least take on the largest graves and make some attempt to estimate what is actually there, based on the descriptions provided between Kola/Mazurek.

...please quantify what you are saying.

This is easy work. The fact that you do not do it is transparent to anyone reading this thread. You are making the 'Holocaust' establishment look very weak and indefensible by your inability or unwillingness to even attempt to quantify, here.

Please take note of Callafangers gross hypocricy.

[Keen]

[Stubble]

Keen, I think 'The Revisionist Position' on Sobibor is the one outlined by Mattogno in the Holocaust Handbook by that name.

[Keen]

Keen, I think 'The Revisionist Position' on Sobibor is the one outlined by Mattogno in the Holocaust Handbook by that name.

Callafangers:

you will need to at least take on the largest graves and make some attempt to estimate what is actually there, based on the descriptions provided between Kola/Mazurek.

...please quantify what you are saying.

This is easy work. The fact that you do not do it is transparent to anyone reading this thread. You are making the 'Holocaust' establishment look very weak and indefensible by your inability or unwillingness to even attempt to quantify, here.

[Keen]

Keen, I think 'The Revisionist Position' on Sobibor is the one outlined by Mattogno in the Holocaust Handbook by that name.

Actually Stubble, I think the revisionist position on Sobibor was stated by Callafangers here:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=19790#p19790

Callafangers:

* The ghettos notably did not have cremation facilities of their own
*Germany was greatly concerned about buried corpses poisoning ground water (e.g. this is the official reason for switching to cremation at Sobibor and at Chelmno, among other locations)
*As of 1942, Germany was establishing border stations (i.e. where AR camps were located) for typhus control purposes
*Trains were already leaving the ghettos en route toward the AR camp facilities (revisionists and exterminationists agree on this)

All of this strongly suggests the corpses dying of typhus in the ghettos ended up at the AR camps for sanitary disposal. The order of magnitude insofar as measurable corpse remains at the AR camps aligns with this perfectly, and it aligns not at all with the 'extermination' theory.

It's the retarded "holocaust by train" theory again.

This is what it really boils down to:

The exterminationist magically disappearing jew theory vs the exterminationist light holocaust by train theory.

And both of those theories are founded on the convergence of unsubstantiated allegations theory.

And both sides convergence of unsubstantiated allegations theory is "supported" by extrapolations based on estimates derived from assumptions.

You can't make this shit up.

[Keen]

Callafangers:

The revisionist narrative considers all of the evidence and fits it perfectly, once complete context is shown... the numbers of corpses we find under Sobibor (and other AR camps) aligns far better with a portion of natural deaths at ghettos sent to AR camps for cremation... The evidence is circumstantial but it's obviously the only possible explanation for why we see a few hundred (at most several thousand) corpses' worth of remains at camps like Sobibor...I might concede 2,500 but with certain questions and caveats; as low as 250 seems plausible... I should clarify that ~250 would be my absolute lower end...If we were playing The Price Is Right, I'd stand on ~3,500.

So it looks like the latest revisionist position on Sobibor keeps getting lower. It seems like it was just yesterday that they lowered their estimates:

Callafangers:

I'd lower my Sobibor estimate even further (from ~10-40,000 to ~9-36,000)

There's still one little itsy bitszy tiny little fact that the revisionists are trying hard to ignore:

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

Anyway, it seems the latest revisionist reduction has the Sobibor figure

down to 3,500.

And now for this:

Callafangers (to Nessie):

You will need to at least take on the largest graves and make some attempt to estimate what is actually there, based on the descriptions provided between Kola/Mazurek... please quantify what you are saying.

This is easy work. The fact that you do not do it is transparent to anyone reading this thread. You are making the 'Holocaust' establishment look very weak and indefensible by your inability or unwillingness to even attempt to quantify, here.

[Stubble]

Keen, did you, clip what I said, and remove my italics?

At this point, the theoretical grave space remaining according to the digs, would be sufficient for around 5,000 persons.

Being as generous as possible, and granting that grave space is grave space, and, has bodies in it, the orthodoxy is left, a few short of their alleged death tally.

For fuck's sake man.

[Keen]

Keen, did you, clip what I said, and remove my italics?

At this point, the theoretical grave space remaining according to the digs, would be sufficient for around 5,000 persons.

Being as generous as possible, and granting that grave space is grave space, and, has bodies in it, the orthodoxy is left, a few short of their alleged death tally.

For fuck's sake man.

I'm sorry if I misquoted you Stubble. I took what I quoted from this:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=19858#p19858

Damn Fangers, you're making me look like a softie over here willing to grant a maximum of 5,000 based off of what I haven't seen.

I don't think I can meet you at 250 until the remains are actually quantified, or, a dig at least excavates more sand from the holes.

Based on the area not excavated, and assuming some bodies there, I get 5,000.

For the record, I think Mattogno should update his writings on the camp to reflect better what the digs turned up.

I edited out the quote in my post above. I must be misinterpreting what you are saying.

[Stubble]

Yup, must be.

Read it, and read what I wrote that had you edit your post. Notice the italics.

Perhaps I have been unclear, and for that, I could apologize. I'll work on being more clear.

In any case, hi Keen, good to see you are still kicking it man! Also, a hearty thank you for making me actually LOOK at what was in the studies, and not blindly read them. I also appreciate you pointing out the incongruency between Kola and the digs at Sobibor man.

[Keen]

Yup, must be.

Read it, and read what I wrote that had you edit your post. Notice the italics.

Perhaps I have been unclear, and for that, I could apologize. I'll work on being more clear.

In any case, hi Keen, good to see you are still kicking it man! Also, a hearty thank you for making me actually LOOK at what was in the studies, and not blindly read them. I also appreciate you pointing out the incongruency between Kola and the digs at Sobibor man.

Don't thank me, thank Mr. Gerdes.

[Stubble]

I'll send an email to the webmaster at his website and hope it reaches him.

This is because, he's not here. He also didn't make me, actually look, you did man.