Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:19 pm
I don't have to bend the support band Nessie. I'd have to kick the locks open or kick the door off the hinge pins by fucking sheering them. By kicking the door. With my bare feet.
For the record, I could definitely bend that banding, but, I would have to remove it from the wood. It looks like the band's were secured with lags. That would take a tool. Kicking the door off the hinge pins by sheering them or kicking the 'locks' to failure on the other hand would be almost effortless.
I guess I'm just going to have to mock up a Van Pelt style door and show you.
"It was a wooden door, made of two layers of short pieces of wood arranged like parquet. Between these layers there was a single sheet of material sealing the edges of the door and the rabbets of the frame were also fitted with sealing strips of felt. At about head height for an average man this door had a round glass peephole. On the other side of the door, i.e. on the gas chamber side, this opening was protected by a hemispherical grid. This grid was fitted because the people in the gas chamber, feeling they were going to die, used to break the glass of the peep-hole. But the grid still did not provide sufficient protection and similar incidents recurred. The opening was blocked with a piece of metal or wood. The people going to be gassed and those in the gas chamber damaged the electrical installations, tearing the cables out and damaging the ventilation equipment. The door was closed hermetically from the corridor side by means of iron bars which were screwed tight."
So, this type of door, reinforced with iron bars. You have to force off the iron bars, that are attached each side into the door frame.
You have to be naked and you are dying from being gassed to complete the comparison.
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Nessie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 7:32 am
You have to be naked and you are dying from being gassed to complete the comparison.
Interesting point Nessie. It is possible that many individuals in an extreme state of emaciation, known as Muselmänner, and those nearing death were subjected to euthanasia under the 1939 memorandum. Historical accounts suggest this occurred to people from Corfu who suffered terminal renal failure after nine days without water. In these accounts, it is claimed that deaths were accelerated through the use of small amounts of pesticide. These points are presented for consideration and reflection.
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Nessie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 7:32 am
You have to be naked and you are dying from being gassed to complete the comparison.
Interesting point Nessie. It is possible that many individuals in an extreme state of emaciation, known as Muselmänner, and those nearing death were subjected to euthanasia under the 1939 memorandum. Historical accounts suggest this occurred to people from Corfu who suffered terminal renal failure after nine days without water. In these accounts, it is claimed that deaths were accelerated through the use of small amounts of pesticide. These points are presented for consideration and reflection.
Nazgul, your stupidity is breathtaking. Those points were presented to show what an idiot you are.
"Extreme state of emaciation" isn't a part of the equation that Stubble and roberta are debating.
And again, look at Nazguls word choice: "possible" - "suggest" - "claimed."
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
Stubble wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2026 8:19 pm
I don't have to bend the support band Nessie. I'd have to kick the locks open or kick the door off the hinge pins by fucking sheering them. By kicking the door. With my bare feet.
For the record, I could definitely bend that banding, but, I would have to remove it from the wood. It looks like the band's were secured with lags. That would take a tool. Kicking the door off the hinge pins by sheering them or kicking the 'locks' to failure on the other hand would be almost effortless.
I guess I'm just going to have to mock up a Van Pelt style door and show you.
And don't forget, in this scenario, you wouldn't be alone.
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
Nessie, argue with Jan and Van Pelt. You don't get to just go pick a door you like the picture of. By the way, the locks on that door are probably the same simple flat iron bars, which would bend like taffy, not to mention those small diameter pins upon which the door is hinged.
The door is in absolutely no way escape proofed, and is wholly inadequate for purpose.
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 4:07 pm
Nessie, argue with Jan and Van Pelt. You don't get to just go pick a door you like the picture of. By the way, the locks on that door are probably the same simple flat iron bars, which would bend like taffy, not to mention those small diameter pins upon which the door is hinged.
The door is in absolutely no way escape proofed, and is wholly inadequate for purpose.
In your opinion. You could not bend the iron bars seen in the mock-up of the gas chamber door the photo of the original door, and you have misrepresented the thickness of the wood used and claimed the door is hollow. You rely on your imagination, rather than what is evidenced. The Germans were perfectly capable of making doors solid enough to survive attempts to break through them.
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Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 4:07 pm
Nessie, argue with Jan and Van Pelt. You don't get to just go pick a door you like the picture of. By the way, the locks on that door are probably the same simple flat iron bars, which would bend like taffy, not to mention those small diameter pins upon which the door is hinged.
The door is in absolutely no way escape proofed, and is wholly inadequate for purpose.
In your opinion. You could not bend the iron bars seen in the mock-up of the gas chamber door the photo of the original door, and you have misrepresented the thickness of the wood used and claimed the door is hollow. You rely on your imagination, rather than what is evidenced. The Germans were perfectly capable of making doors solid enough to survive attempts to break through them.
The door is hollow, and it had wood shavings and concrete in the hollow. It was not a solid door. The wood is basically pallet wood. It is thin.
The locks are the largest problem here though, and would bend like taffy.
The only person misrepresenting anything here is you.
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
Stubble wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2026 4:07 pm
Nessie, argue with Jan and Van Pelt. You don't get to just go pick a door you like the picture of. By the way, the locks on that door are probably the same simple flat iron bars, which would bend like taffy, not to mention those small diameter pins upon which the door is hinged.
The door is in absolutely no way escape proofed, and is wholly inadequate for purpose.
In your opinion. You could not bend the iron bars seen in the mock-up of the gas chamber door the photo of the original door, and you have misrepresented the thickness of the wood used and claimed the door is hollow. You rely on your imagination, rather than what is evidenced. The Germans were perfectly capable of making doors solid enough to survive attempts to break through them.
The door is hollow, and it had wood shavings and concrete in the hollow. It was not a solid door. The wood is basically pallet wood. It is thin.
It is not hollow, it has material inside that will flex and absorb blows to it. You grossly over estimate your strength.
The locks are the largest problem here though, and would bend like taffy.
The only person misrepresenting anything here is you.
It does not have a lock, it is secured with metal bars.
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Thus, currently revisionists can console themselves by affirming their incredulity and rejection of the conventional account, but they have completely failed to substantiate what happened instead...
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Fully agreed. Chazan, Phlishko and Mueller alone describe a process so inoperable and so damaging to the contrived narrative, that Van Pelt’s herculean efforts were barely enough to salvage credibility.
How are their "inoperable" and "damaging" descriptions of the gassing process, evidence to prove there was no gassings?
To underscore it, Van Pelt deviates so much from the people who were there, that they effectively describe a different process.
What process is that? Fact is, 100% of those who worked at Birkenau variously describe exactly the same process of transports, selections, gassings, theft of property and cremations. Certain witnesses only saw certain parts of the process, but no one deviates from that order of events.
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The historical question is: what happened to the Jews of Europe, with the default answer being "we don't know". You claim, "they were murdered". This is why you necessarily go first, no matter how unfortunate and clear it becomes that your physical evidence case is (and always has been) DOA.
When the default is we do not know, and there are competing theories, there is no requirement for either side to go first. They should both go at the same time, presenting the evidence to back up their theories.
The reason why Callafangers wants to go second, is because he has no evidence to present. Instead, his supposed revisionism, is to come up with reasons to disbelieve the evidence for the Holocaust.
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