"best case for the Holocaust" essay question and metacommentary

[bombsaway]

Just post the testimony where he denies "any gassings". You're going to get shredded here. Morgen was not a friend or defender of the regime. At best you can just say he was forced or cajoled into saying things by 'powers', just like all the rest. Denial. no way.

[Stubble]

Don't recall if he did or not. Do recall getting taken to school by Nick about him saying there was a gas chamber at Buchenwald. He didn't. I thought he did, but, he didn't.

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[Gallius]

Give me a single transcript from a perpetrator who worked in so called extermination areas but claims to not have known people were being killed there.

Hi. Speaking of quirks, can you provide/cite any autopsy reports confirming the death of Jews caused by gassing during World War 2? Please help because

When I first asked AI it evaded the question. Then when pressed it appeared to concede that there are none. How is that possible when the alleged claims are so astronomical? Thanking you in advance.

[Gallius]

I think that if you can't source a quote, you shouldn't use it.

'No level playing field' is just a possible explanation for why there aren't any contradictory testimonies, but yeah there aren't. Baer said mass gassings happened in Auschwitz II. Morgen gave extensive information on gassings at the Reinhardt camps.

Fuchs testified to Jews getting gassed.

I'll leave it at this I guess. Good luck.

Hi. I read the other thread about Morgan’s testimony. Most persuasive to me were his initial statements sternly denying the existence of gas chambers. Why? a) there is little in the way of other forensic evidence (e.g. like any autopsy reports of Jewish prisoners to confirm death by gassing) to contradict this initial testimony, b) the subsequent statements are disjointed from the initial testimony suggesting an attitude adjustment had been performed… Meanwhile How in good faith can his initial statements be brutally deleted from the record by “objective scholars” who then refer to his later statements as if they meet some gold standard of eye witness testimony? Is that not a form of historical gerrymandering?

FYI, the gold standard of eye witness testimony is to give revelatory evidence that the prosecution could not have known, like the location of a missing body or weapon. Did Morgan’s testimony about gas chambers ever have that sort of physical corroboration? That is what made Ariel Toaff’s first edition of Bloody Passover so incendiary. He located and described confessions from the accused that imparted information the prosecution did not understand but did indeed confirm these were cases of ritual Jewish murder.

In terms of solid and undeniable evidence of a mass murder I recommend the use of the Katyn forest massacre as a kind of gold standard. Never minding the push and shove blame game* that followed the discovery and announcement of the mass graves. I am referring simply to the physical evidence of mass murder. According to Wikipedia today 21,768 Polish intelligentsia are confirmed to have been killed and a total of 22,000 are estimated to have been killed. These numbers differ by about one percent. How does that compare to the actual number of (confirmed Jewish) bodies/remains recovered v. the total estimated/declared number of Jews killed under German occupation? Is there even a 1:10 ratio? If not, what kind of supporting physical evidence is there to fill this gap of evidence? If lacking this, why is it such a heresy to harbor doubts, whether innocuous or even strident, about the alleged six million victims?

*Of course who committed the mass murder is all important. I am just saying, because of the politics and propaganda, the certainty of this is less – according to some -- than the mere fact of a huge number of Polish men were found murdered and buried in the Katyn forest. That fact everyone agrees on. But an interesting parallel should be noted here when comparing this case to the Nazi “confessions” of gassing and cremating Jews. That being the "confession" of Arno Durre:

"One of them, Arno Dürre, who was charged with murdering numerous civilians using machine-guns in Soviet villages, confessed to having taken part in the burial (though not the execution) of 15,000 to 20,000 Polish POWs in Katyn. For this he was spared execution and was given 15 years of hard labor. His confession was full of absurdities, and thus he was not used as a Soviet prosecution witness during the Nuremberg trials. He later recanted his confession, claiming the investigators forced him to confess through torture."

In here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_mas ... ecision-10