Are the US and Russia really enemies?

[Alonso]

According to most media, Russian, American, or from elsewhere, Russia and the US are rivals, even enemies. But I seem to remember having read in the old RODOH forum that both countries are actually controlled by the same people (the Illuminati, international Jewry or whatever they're called). At first, that didn't seem to make much sense. But the post in question claimed that it was the American deep state who brought Putin to power, using Henry Kissinger as their intermediary. To my big surprise, it turns out that Kissinger and Putin were indeed very good friends long before Putin rose to power. Which seems to strongly suggest that there's more to the US-Russia relation than meets the eye. Do you know anything about this?

I'm a regular reader of rt.com, and I tend to root for Russia, Iran, etc., in their conflicts with the US, Israel, etc. But I often have the uncomfortable feeling that I'm being duped. Specially when I read articles like this one, which use holyhoax propaganda to supposedly attack Israel and zionism.

[Archie]

It's not necessarily a static thing. The Americans could have supported him at one point but things can change.

I believe US media and diplomatic circles were fairly favorable toward Putin initially. It was probably not until around ~2008 or so that things started getting more adversarial. I would have to research it to reconstruct a proper timeline, but certainly by 2014 Putin had become a great villain in Western media.

The US has given Ukraine over $150 billion to fight against Russia, so I doubt very much that Putin and the US are secretly allied.

Russia definitely has their version of the Holocaust but it's a bit different than it is elsewhere. They are very bought in on WWII as a national myth. The "Great Patriotic War," they call it. Their glorious triumph over the fascist invaders.

[Alonso]

That's roughly the mainstream media account, and it might be correct. Not everything the mainstream media says are lies. But it's at least remarkable that Kissinger, arguably the most influential diplomat in American history, was (to the best of my knowledge) close friends with Putin since the early nineties, when Putin was just a city major, until Kissinger's death in 2023.

This topic seems to be related to the idea that there is a group of elites, sometimes called the Illuminati, who control the main governments of the world. Apparently, this idea was introduced by a Fritz Springmeier in his book "The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave", which you can find here. A quick look at the book suggests it's not very grounded. Still, I know almost nothing about this kind of idea. Maybe I'm missing something.

Finally, the RT article I mentioned earlier is remarkable in a disturbing way. On the surface, it seems to be a very strong critique of Israel. It starts with a sensible metaphor that compares Israel and the Israeli government to a gang of mafia criminals. Then it briefly mentions some of the worst crimes those criminals have committed in recent times. So far, so good. But then it turns to orthodox zionist propaganda: "we now rightly celebrate those who openly stood up against the Nazis where they held power and committed their crimes, including a genocide of Jews". Is it possible that an author who sees the criminality of Israel so clearly, also completely fails to see the root of all that criminality, i.e., the holyhoax propaganda? It seems at least difficult to believe. They say you shouldn't attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. But the author of this article doesn't seem stupid. He's a PhD. Which suggests that the only explanation left is malice.

The US has given Ukraine over $150 billion to fight against Russia, so I doubt very much that Putin and the US are secretly allied.

That's a strong point, and I can't think of any sensible counterpoint. Still, it doesn't seem to be enough to dispel the feeling that something doesn't quite add up.

[Wahrheitssucher]

According to most media (Russian, American, or from elsewhere), Russia and the US are rivals, even enemies. But I seem to remember having read …that both countries are actually controlled by the same people (…international Jewry…).

ALL ‘western’ countries have powerful and influential people CONTROLLING THEM who are either:
i.) self-identifying as belonging to an elite clique of international jews with shared policies of mutual self-interest;
OR
ii.) shabbat goyim who do their bidding for various reasons.

That also applies to Russia.
And it has applied to Russia since the end-times of the Russian monarchy, plus the elimination of the last Tsar’s entire family.
But I think Putin understands this and has been playing a clever, long game to slowly reduce that control and influence.

Summary:
international jewry have their fingers in EVERYONES’ pies.
No exception!
Errrrm…
well, that was besides the seven countries Gen. Wesley Clarke was told were planned for regime change by the jewish neo-cons.
[https://www.salon.com/2007/10/12/wesley_clark/]

They (the int. jews) have been trying to weaken, assassinate or remove Putin for decades as he’s been a big obstacle to their plans.
That’s what provoking him into invading Ukraine was all about.
The preparation for casting him as villain was what the Skripal and Litvinenko poisonings were all about.

They want Putin gone because he supported Assad (Syria) and still supports Iran militarily and economically.
Those two countries were great obstacles to zionist land-theft for Ersatz Israel and oil-production dominance, amongst other things. They (IJ) recently out-manoeuvred him on Syria and Lebanon. But Putin is currently now out-manoeuvring them on Iran.
It’s like a global game of geo-political chess.
One where the US and rest of Europe BESIDES Russia, are totally controlled by international jewry.

Cuba, N. Korea and Iran are what’s left of countries who have no international banks. Russia has them. Which is how control is leveraged.

Think about it!
If it were not so, and zio-jews internationally were NOT in control, how else could the Zionists get away with the ULTIMATE wicked crime of genocidal mass-murder for over two years. A viciously hateful and sadistic mass-murder of a defenceless, entrapped people that is CAPTURED ON FILM BY BRAGGING IOF soldiers?
They are not only getting away with it, but almost ALL western leaders have been supporting it and lying to their electorates about it.
How would that be possible otherwise?

At first, that didn't seem to make much sense. But the post in question claimed that it was the American deep state who brought Putin to power, using Henry Kissinger as their intermediary.

I have never seen any evidence of that.
Have you?
Please share if you have.
I think that is misinformation.

To my big surprise, it turns out that Kissinger and Putin were indeed very good friends long before Putin rose to power.

I have never seen any evidence of that either.
“…very good friends”??
And “BEFORE Putin rose to power”????
Nah. Don’t believe that.
I think that’s probably you reading someone repeating yet more, calculated misinformation!
Putin allegedly communicated with Kissinger occasionally over many years. And Putin gave condolences and praise to his widow after his death.
That’s it.
Both men used diplomacy and MSM like chess players / poker players.

Which seems to strongly suggest that there's more to the US-Russia relation than meets the eye. Do you know anything about this?

Putin was prepared as his successor by Boris Yeltsin on the recommendation of Valentin Yumashev. Not by Kissinger.

I'm a regular reader of rt.com,

So am I.
Sometimes I’m surprised why there is not stronger criticism of Israel and never any mention of Jewish power. But maybe that’s a long-view policy strategy to avoid what until recently could be the extremely damaging accusation of anti-semitism?

…and I tend to root for Russia, Iran, etc., in their conflicts with the US, Israel, etc. But I often have the uncomfortable feeling that I'm being duped. Specially when I read articles like this one, which use holyhoax propaganda to supposedly attack Israel and zionism.

First, that article is written by a German so by someone who has been more ‘brainwashed’ into believing holyhoax propaganda than people of any other nation.
Secondly, he was quoting a jew.
Thirdly, his use of holyH misinformation example is quite mild:
“Attacking Elbit, Israel's largest arms company, is, as [jewish] investigative journalist Max Blumenthal put it, the contemporary equivalent of sabotaging the railway lines to Auschwitz…”

[Alonso]

Hey, Wahrheitssucher, I've found your post very interesting. It touches on several topics I've always been interested in but never understood very well (or at all).

it has applied to Russia since the end-times of the Russian monarchy, plus the elimination of the last Tsar’s entire family.

That seems to mean that the Russian Revolution was created by IJ and the Soviet Union was controlled by IJ. However, you've also said that IJ controls Western countries, which were, at least in theory, the enemies of the Soviet Union. It's not the first time I hear this idea, but I don't understand how it would work.

I think Putin understands this and has been playing a clever, long game to slowly reduce that control and influence.

Yet Putin keeps repeating the holyhoax lies as fervently as IJ. And those lies are the main pillar that supports the power of IJ. Why help his enemies in this way? If he really wants to reduce their influence, shouldn't he start by exposing their lies?

Putin ... still supports Iran militarily and economically.

Not so much, it seems. RT does support Iran ideologically and denounce the West routinely. But when it comes to actual military support, Russian officials seems allergic to even consider the idea.

Putin is currently now out-manoeuvring them on Iran.

How? Once again, when it comes to actual action (as opposed to mere ideological support), there seems to be very little from the Russian side. Which is understandable, they have more than their fair share to deal with in Ukraine. But I can't see how he's out-manoeuvring anybody when there doesn't seem to be any action from Russia at all.

almost ALL western leaders have been supporting it and lying to their electorates about it.

Yup. That much I'm aware of.

At first, that didn't seem to make much sense. But the post in question claimed that it was the American deep state who brought Putin to power, using Henry Kissinger as their intermediary.

I have never seen any evidence of that.
Have you?
Please share if you have.

Here. That's the Kremlin archives quoting Putin directly. It doesn't get much more reliable than that. Putin's quote (addressing Kissinger in 2012):

As for our personal relations, they began while I was working as deputy mayor of St Petersburg, back in the mid-1990s. You came here as the head of the Russian-American commission. I am very glad that we have maintained these relations to this day.

his use of holyH misinformation example is quite mild:
“Attacking Elbit, Israel's largest arms company, is, as [jewish] investigative journalist Max Blumenthal put it, the contemporary equivalent of sabotaging the railway lines to Auschwitz…”

Actually, the article includes much stronger holyhoax propaganda, as I quoted in my second post: "we now rightly celebrate those who openly stood up against the Nazis where they held power and committed their crimes, including a genocide of Jews".

[Wahrheitssucher]

Hey, Wahrheitssucher, I've found your post very interesting. It touches on several topics I've always been interested in but never understood very well (or at all).

it has applied to Russia since the end-times of the Russian monarchy, plus the elimination of the last Tsar’s entire family.

That seems to mean that the Russian Revolution was created by IJ and the Soviet Union was controlled by IJ. However, you've also said that IJ controls Western countries, which were, at least in theory, the enemies of the Soviet Union. It's not the first time I hear this idea, but I don't understand how it would work.

IJ make sure they can control WHOEVER is in power. So they don’t just infiltrate, bribe, blackmail BOTH SIDES of any issue, but any possible replacement ‘sides’. They make sure they have infiltrators; bribed, ambitious, willing partners; compromised puppet/poodles; etc.; in every discussion, contest, political arena, etc.
It is called ‘controlled opposition’.
In America Bernie Sanders is an example of it.
Jill Stein may be another.
These people may now start to make statements thatvare very critical of Israel but it is in order to be able to gain support, win votes, to win elections and thus control government should electorates want radical change. This way — with such ‘controlled opposition’ types — IJ will STILL retain control and power, whoever gets elected.

In the UK Zak Polanski is a good example of it: gay, Green and critical of Israel …PLUS jewish!

Gilad Atzmon appears to be yet another example of pre-planned ‘controlled opposition’ already in place.
Think about it! He is someone who has PUBLICLY renounced his Israeli citizenship AND his Judaic self-identification and is a published author talking about ‘jewish power’!!!!
He even criticises the holyH mythology.
Yet here is the give-away: he never gets the sort of public crucifixion, ostracisation and public smearing that a non-Jew would get for the same behaviour.
PLUS — despite being a socialist and Labour Party member — when he was needed by the zionists, he became an extremely vocal critic of Jeremy Corbyn in order to prevent his very narrowly missed election victories that would have made him UK Primeminister.

Bernie Sanders is a closet zionist.
So is Noam Chomsky.
So is…
Etc., etc.

Regarding Russia, look at the example of a jewish arch-capitalist who supported the communists. The Russian revolution was funded by this Jewish banker and industrialist called Jacob Schiff who was a German from Frankfurt. He financed the Japanese military efforts against Tsarist Russia in their war of 1904-1905. He was the foremost Jewish banker from 1880 to 1920 in what later became known as the ‘Schiff era’, and he was heavily involved in all major Jewish issues of that time, including the rise of Zionism.
I’ve heard jewish Stephen Fry reject the notion of Jewish capitalists supporting the communists as a ludicrous and illogical self-contradiction.
Yeah, well then explain Schiff!

I think Putin understands this and has been playing a clever, long game to slowly reduce that control and influence.

Yet Putin keeps repeating the holyhoax lies as fervently as IJ. And those lies are the main pillar that supports the power of IJ. Why help his enemies in this way? If he really wants to reduce their influence, shouldn't he start by exposing their lies?

No, certainly not. And definitely not THAT particular lie. That is still career suicide — even for top politicians.

E.g. Scottish parliamentarian and journalist George Galloway is a very courageous and fiercely critical opponent of Israel, yet he also repeats the holyH lies.
PLUS he is a friend of Gilad Atzmon who has exposed many of the most obvious holyH lies, so George must know his exposé of all that. Yet George continues referring to those lies and promoting them as if he didn’t know.
I assume both Putin and Galloway KNOW that they would be too easily vilified and weakened if they took on THAT holyH deception too.

Putin ... still supports Iran militarily and economically.

Not so much, it seems. RT does support Iran ideologically and denounce the West routinely. But when it comes to actual military support, Russian officials seems allergic to even consider the idea.

Not so openly NOW. But yes Russia supplies weaponry, aircraft, military technology, advanced defence systems and training to Iran, plus they did so for Assad’s Syria.
Those shipments are maybe less open now so as not to be able to be targeted by the jews who control Trump and the USA, for being complicit in the Iranian attacks against US bases in the Gulf region.

Weaponry has been secretly transported via the Caspian Sea (which is really a collosal lake, not a sea).
Here’s an image from 3 years ago accusing Iran of transportation going the other way.
It appears to be a clandestine, two-way traffic:


Plus it is assumed that Russia (and China) have being secretly supplying Iran with intelligence. Extremely advanced satellite intelligence which Iran doesn’t have. That is presumably how Iran has been able to pinpoint their missile attacks to very precise military targets and to Israeli leadership personnel.

Putin is currently now out-manoeuvring them on Iran.

How? Once again, when it comes to actual action (as opposed to mere ideological support), there seems to be very little from the Russian side. Which is understandable, they have more than their fair share to deal with in Ukraine. But I can't see how he's out-manoeuvring anybody when there doesn't seem to be any action from Russia at all.

See above reply. Israel control USA and without them and US support Israel is finished. Well once the trade in oil switches from the American petro-dollar to the Chinese petro-Yuan, then America is finished as THE great super-power. Alliances and allegiances will very quickly recalibrate AWAY from the dollar and American influence and thus US prosperity will rapidly decline.
With Iran recognising they are now in an existential crisis — and so deciding to resist or die as an independent sovereign nation — we have for the first time since the cold war a country refusing to bow to USrael blackmail and attempt at dominance. USrael have therefore ALREADY LOST.
They gambled one time too many. They thought Iranian leadership would buckle and surrender OR the suffering Iranian people would revolt and force a surrender via regime change.
That failed.
The Iranian people are now MORE aligned with their leadership and fiercely loyal than before the murder by Trump on Bibi’s orders, of their leader Seyed Al-Khamenei.

Russia and Putin are now helping Iran to maintain the Iranian resistance to USrael bombardment and Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz.
With that Hormuz stranglehold — even if crazy Trump won’t give up — the rest of the world’s zio-controlled leaders will eventually HAVE to side with Iran, to avoid regime change in their own countries.
Spain has already done so. They were the first to do that.
Italy and France are now making similar noises and cancelling strategic alliances.
Now Turkey is becoming extremely vocal AGAINST the fake-joo, ashkenazi, atheistic, psychopathic, zio-ethno-state.

All countries worldwide depend on shipments through the Iran-controlled Strait.
And NOW all countries aligned with USrael are being forbidden passage by Iran.
So, with the closure of Hormuz for Usrael-puppet countries, plus the new toll for passage (if permitted) in Chinese Yuan, plus the switch to dealings in oil in Chinese-Yuan instead of US-dollars, this has all been supported and encouraged by Putin and it ALL favours and benefits Putin. And now energy-strapped Europeans are lifting their sanctions on Russian oil out of necessity, Russia is making a killing both politically abd financially. He’s played the situation excellently.
Do you see?

almost ALL western leaders have been supporting it and lying to their electorates about it.

Yup. That much I'm aware of.

I have never seen any evidence of that.
Have you?
Please share if you have.

Here. That's the Kremlin archives quoting Putin directly. It doesn't get much more reliable than that. Putin's quote (addressing Kissinger in 2012):

As for our personal relations, they began while I was working as deputy mayor of St Petersburg, back in the mid-1990s. You came here as the head of the Russian-American commission. I am very glad that we have maintained these relations to this day.

I think that’s just diplomacy, not signs of a “very close friendship”.

[Alonso]

Your posts remind me a bit of the fictional book The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism. That's the book Winston finds in the dystopian novel 1984. The fictional book explains very well how the power mechanisms of the Party (the organization that controls the dystopian world of the novel) controls the world. However, the book is a trap. It leads to the conclusion that the way of removing the Party from power is a sort of revolution of the proletariat. Winston falls into the trap. The book was never meant to lead to the overthrow of the party. It was written by the Party itself, and its only purpose is to identify thought criminals (and arrest them, torture them, etc.).

Of course, you're not setting up a trap. But you might be falling into one. In the fictional book, part of the trap consists in giving readers the false hope that there's a way (the revolution of the proletariat) to overthrow the Party. That will keep readers engaged and politically active long enough for the party to thoroughly spy on them and learn all their secrets before they arrest them.

Similarly, you're showing a remarkably insightful understanding of the power mechanisms of IJ. But then you conclude that IJ will be overthrown by the clever political manoeuvring of people like Putin. That seems as unrealistic as the viability (and suitability) of the revolution of the proletariat in 1984.

It is called ‘controlled opposition’.
In America Bernie Sanders is an example of it.
Jill Stein may be another.
These people may now start to make statements that are very critical of Israel but it is in order to be able to gain support, win votes, to win elections and thus control government should electorates want radical change. This way — with such ‘controlled opposition’ types — IJ will STILL retain control and power, whoever gets elected.

I see the same in Spain. The president of the government thumps his chest and shouts "no to the war with Iran!". While in the background he sends the best Spanish warship to support USrael against Iran.

So is Noam Chomsky.

Yeah, I always smile when people present him as a dissident intellectual who exposes the corruption of the regime.

The Russian revolution was funded by this Jewish banker and industrialist called Jacob Schiff who was a German from Frankfurt.

This is fascinating. It's the first time I've heard about this guy. Which is unsurprising, of course, this is exactly the kind of Jew the MSM never wants you to hear about. Googling him reveals a concerted effort to hide his financing of the Russian Revolution. Yet, digging deeper, it becomes clear that he did finance it, no matter how much the MSM claims that that's an antisemitic conspiracy. From what I've read so far, it looks like Schiff was essentially the founder of the USSR. I still don't quite understand his motivations, though, and how they fit into the big picture. Of course, the MSM says that his motivation was his noble pursuit of the defence of the rights of the oppressed Jews. There might be a bit of that, but it looks like there is much more.

Yet Putin keeps repeating the holyhoax lies as fervently as IJ. And those lies are the main pillar that supports the power of IJ. Why help his enemies in this way? If he really wants to reduce their influence, shouldn't he start by exposing their lies?

No, certainly not. And definitely not THAT particular lie. That is still career suicide — even for top politicians.

You're right. My second question was misguided. Exposing the holyhoax would indeed be career suicide. But my first question stands: "Why help his enemies in this way?". One thing is simply avoiding career suicide by avoiding the topic. A very different thing is actively and consistently promoting the holyhoax. Putin doesn't do the former, he does the latter. When he explains the involvement of Russia in the Ukraine war, his top reason is what he calls "denazification" of Ukraine. Plus, the Russian laws against "Holocaust denial" are as bad as those of any other country, including Germany. If you just want to avoid career suicide, you don't need to do any of this. Spain, for example, is fully under the control of IJ, yet it doesn't have any laws against "Holocaust denial".

E.g. Scottish parliamentarian and journalist George Galloway is a very courageous and fiercely critical opponent of Israel, yet he also repeats the holyH lies.
PLUS he is a friend of Gilad Atzmon who has exposed many of the most obvious holyH lies, so George must know his exposé of all that. Yet George continues referring to those lies and promoting them as if he didn’t know.
I assume both Putin and Galloway KNOW that they would be too easily vilified and weakened if they took on THAT holyH deception too.

I know nothing about Galloway. But, again, the same applies. If you want to avoid career suicide, fine, don't say anything about the holyhoax. But you don't need to promote it.

Russia supplies weaponry, aircraft, military technology, advanced defence systems and training to Iran

I didn't know that, thank you for providing this info. As I said, I've been a regular reader of RT for quite a few years, and I would have expected that any significant arms deal between Iran and Russia would be reported by RT. However, for whatever reason, they barely talk about it. The most recent RT article I could find on the topic is from early 2024, and it just mentions the arms deals in passing. I guess this is one of the parts of the political game I don't quite understand.

once the trade in oil switches from the American petro-dollar to the Chinese petro-Yuan, then America is finished as THE great super-power.

That sounds like a very long shot. The petroyuan is slowly transforming the monopoly of the petrodollar into "just" domination. The Iran war is accelerating that transformation. But that's still a far cry from "oil switching from the American petro-dollar to the Chinese petro-Yuan".

we have for the first time since the cold war a country refusing to bow to USrael blackmail and attempt at dominance.

That seems very inaccurate. China, Russia, North Korea, Lybia, etc. All those countries have refused to bow to USrael blackmail and attempt at dominance, and many continue to do so. Iran is just another country in that list.

USrael have therefore ALREADY LOST.

Huge stretch.

The Iranian people are now MORE aligned with their leadership and fiercely loyal than before

It seems impossible to know that. That's what Iran currently says. USrael says the opposite. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Only Iranians know how they feel about this, and there are 93 million of them. What they actually feel and think is not reported in any news.

the rest of the world’s zio-controlled leaders will eventually HAVE to side with Iran, to avoid regime change in their own countries.

Another huge stretch. Some of those leaders are making noises, but those noises are not even remotely linked to siding with Iran, just to being slightly less submissive to USrael. And those are just noises and posturing. None of them has even considered the idea of something as basic as, say, stopping relations with Israel. Overall, it's business as usual, with IJ in charge.

Spain has already done so. They were the first to do that.

Again, empty posturing. See my comment at the beginning of this post.

this has all been supported and encouraged by Putin and it ALL favours and benefits Putin.

Who, once again, is the guy who talks about denazification and sends people to jail for questioning the holyhoax. So, while it's clear that this benefits Putin, it's less clear who benefits from Putin's benefit.

He’s played the situation excellently. Do you see?

"Excellently" might be an overstatement given things like the disaster in Syria and the relentless bloodbath in Ukraine. Still, I can see now what you mean, and it makes sense. Thank you for explaining.

Here. That's the Kremlin archives quoting Putin directly. It doesn't get much more reliable than that. Putin's quote (addressing Kissinger in 2012):

As for our personal relations, they began while I was working as deputy mayor of St Petersburg, back in the mid-1990s. You came here as the head of the Russian-American commission. I am very glad that we have maintained these relations to this day.

I think that’s just diplomacy, not signs of a “very close friendship”.

There are signs of a close friendship all over the place. This is another quote from Putin, from his 2000 book First Person, as reported in this article:

“Once I met [Kissinger] at the airport,” told Putin, “we got into the car and went to the residence. On the way, he asked me where I was from and what I was doing. He was an inquisitive old fellow.” Kissinger soon found out that Putin had worked for the KGB. Kissinger then said, reassuringly: “All decent people got their start in intelligence. I did, too.”

I don't own the book, so I can't verify the source. But the quote seems authentic, just like the other quotes in that article, which discusses the friendship between Kissinger and Putin over the years.

[Wahrheitssucher]

…you're showing a remarkably insightful understanding of the power mechanisms of IJ. But then you conclude that IJ will be overthrown by the clever political manoeuvring of people like Putin.

No, I did not conclude that.
You have misunderstood on that particular point.

Instead suggested that USA has already ‘lost’ in their war with Iran, for various reasons.
And because they will lose, and because no sane person can now deny the US is controlled by Israelis and zionist-jooze, THEREFORE ‘Israhell’ is now doomed. That is because without US support they can not survive. Especially so, if the US-backed Gulf countries try to get out of their dependence upon that US backing. Which — the longer the stand-off continues and the longer the Strait of Hormuz is closed to them — becomes more likely.

I stated that I believe USrael has already lost their war against Iran.
I’m suggesting that the gamble — by those of the IJ who are the creators and beneficiaries behind the ethno-fascist jooish state occupying Palestine — to take out Iran by bombings has FAILED!
I’m suggesting that they were over-confident. They thought they could destroy Iran mainly from within, just like they did in Iraq, Syria and Libya.
They thought bombing Iran, assassinating its leadership, creating internal Iranian division and arming it, would weaken the government and lead to a revolt and a civil-war.
They were wrong!
Israel has instead been weakened.
More people world-wide now loathe the country; despise its psychopathic, racist population; and want its evil, sadistic military, and its demonic, deceitful, jew-supremacist leadership tried and punished for war-crimes and mass-murder.
The support and popularity of Israel in USA and Europe is at an all time low.
Their special-suffering, eternal-‘victim’-status has expired. Few believe it now.
Their lies and propaganda are also no longer believed.
Their false-flag deceptions no longer convince anyone with any intelligence.
E.g. The reports of Iranian terror-cells making attacks on jooish ambulances and synagogues in the UK are getting ridiculed on social media. On my social-media feeds, 99% of the comments on such stories are mocking the media for reporting it as if true.

SUMMARY:
I wrote that I believe we are now witnessing the demise of Israhell.
I never wrote it was the demise of International Jewry.

[Alonso]

I wrote that I believe we are now witnessing the demise of Israhell.
I never wrote it was the demise of International Jewry.

You're right, I overreached. You've talked about the demise of Israel, not the demise of IJ. Still, that also seems unrealistic. As we speak, Israel keeps murdering people in Gaza and Lebanon with impunity, and they have all but conquered Southern Lebanon already. It doesn't look like anybody has the power to stop them. At best, international pressure is forcing them to show some very limited restraint. That's a very far cry from the demise of Israel.

At any rate, your last post says nothing about the overwhelming signals that Putin (and, by extension, Russia) is in cahoots with IJ.

[Wahrheitssucher]

I wrote that I believe we are now witnessing the demise of Israhell.
I never wrote it was the demise of International Jewry.

You're right, I overreached. You've talked about the demise of Israel, not the demise of IJ. Still, that also seems unrealistic. As we speak, Israel keeps murdering people in Gaza and Lebanon with impunity, and they have all but conquered Southern Lebanon already. It doesn't look like anybody has the power to stop them. At best, international pressure is forcing them to show some very limited restraint. That's a very far cry from the demise of Israel.

1. It will take a while.
The Russian revolution started long before the last Tsar and all his heirs were murdered in a cellar by jooish bolsheviks.
It was in 1905, that the Tsar lost the Russo-Japanese War, thanks to Schiff and IJ. That defeat resulted in eight-hour work days and more political right for Russians and other concessions to try to quell the revolution, including a quasi-constitution guaranteeing civil liberties and the elected assembly known as the Duma. These concessions indicated the end of absolutist rule in Russia and Nicholas' lessening control over the empire. The actual Russian revolution is dated as occurring in February 1917. But the Tsar didn’t actually abdicate until March 1917. And he wasn’t murdered until July 1918.

2. They (international jewry + zionism) are currently accelerating their irreversible policy which is called “creating ‘facts on the ground’.”
It works for them, whatever the final outcome.
I.e. they are hoping it benefits them even if they have already lost their war against Iran.
Do you know what ‘facts on the ground’ is?
Can you think of examples of it?

See at the bottom for a great example of it if you can’t.
But Gaza is an obvious one. The ‘facts on the ground’ in that case is that it is currently uninhabitable. So their unwanted non-jewish population are no longer domiciled there. They are now homeless people living in rubble who have little to no control over their future. Which is something that IJ have been working towards for eight decades.
So even if everyone now starts to see the bigger picture and starts to condemn them, and even if everyone now loathes and distrusts Israelis, and even if the IJ’s puppet leaders in Europe are now trying to distance themselves, where are the unwanted Palestinians going to live now?

At any rate, your last post says nothing about the overwhelming signals that Putin (and, by extension, Russia) is in cahoots with IJ.

I don’t see the signs as you do. I've already explained why.
And I don’t see the signs you are seeing as “overwhelming” in their credibility.
I think Putin is playing a long game.
I am also convinced MSM lie to us about EVERYTHING besides the sports results. I’m not exaggerating. Everything is a lie or is a partial truth based upon a lie. It appears you maybe have believed some of that misinformation.

INTERNATIONAL JEWRY’S POLICY OF CREATING ‘FACTS ON THE GROUND’.
Here’s a good example of IJ’s ‘facts on the ground’:

miscegenation and the multi-culturalisation / destruction of ‘white’ societies.

How is that now reversible in Germany, France, Sweden, the UK, etc?

[Alonso]

I don’t see the signs as you do. I've already explained why.

I'm not sure if you have. Holyhoax propaganda is arguably the main source of IJ power, even more so than economic power. Russia is one of the countries with the strongest pro-holyhoax propaganda laws in the world. That doesn't seem to fit the picture of a leader and a country that fight against IJ. You've said nothing about that.

[Wahrheitssucher]

I don’t see the signs as you do. I've already explained why.

I'm not sure if you have.

maybe re-read?

Holyhoax propaganda is arguably the main source of IJ power, even more so than economic power. Russia is one of the countries with the strongest pro-holyhoax propaganda laws in the world. That doesn't seem to fit the picture of a leader and a country that fight against IJ. You've said nothing about that.

Here’s how I understand this:
We are ALL OF US mentally conditioned by our cultural milieu. All of us have that, and it is permanent and irreversible. We can’t change it now: we can only recognise what our own particular conditioning and programming is and once recognised, can then learn to navigate it. That is we can learn how to not let it ‘control’ us, but to try and exert some control over it.
That initially requires ‘outside’ help.

Our conditioning or mental hard-wiring is formed by our upbringing: our social history on family, local, national levels PLUS increasingly (through TV and social media) on international levels.

Summary: seeing through our own conditioning and navigating how it effects our perception of ‘reality’ is a life-long exercise.

Why is this relevant?
Because Putin also has his conditioning. So we can recognise aspects of his and how that is presumably affecting him and his actions.

Putin — and his generation of Russians — are the result of both a.) Russian WW2 culture and b.) post-1945 ‘cold-war’ Russian culture.
(Are you familiar with his personal history, the experiences of his parents during WW2 and his childhood?)
He consequently appears to very firmly believe that the NDSAP, the Wehrmacht and Hitler were intrinsically ‘bad’, whereas the Russians were intrinsically ‘good’ people who saved the ungrateful west from that ‘bad’ force.
Therefore he presumably has an emotional attachment to any view and narrative of WW2 history that supports this world-view. The holyH is such a narrative.

We humans are complex creatures. It is extremely common that people hold on to, believe and defend completely contradictory viewpoints.
Often we hold contradictory world-views, through a.) emotional and b.) intellectual, mental path-ways.*
In other words, I’m sure he knows intellectually that the core details of the holyH are compromised, yet I presume on an emotional level he still retains an acceptance of the overarching holyH narrative as ‘Nazis bad - Russians good’.

*E.g. of a person holding contrary viewpoints simultaneously.
Contrary to the currently consensus viewpoint, Charles Darwin, the main promulgator of the Theory of Evolution, was NOT an athiest. He remained a pro-Deist agnostic till his dying breath. He himself wrote that when he wrote his magnus opus ‘on the Origin of species’ “my faith in Christianity was as strong as that of any Archbishop”.
After criticism of the book he wrote that he was convinced of the existence of God as the First Cause and though critical of Victorian forms of Christianity he regarded himself as a ‘theist’.