Germar Rudolf on the Conspiracy Theory Question

[Revision]

https://old.bitchute.com/video/1hL1UeO0lHPQ/



Transcript:


José Niño: Well, when you have a topic like Holocaust revisionism, it's obviously going to get some form of backlash from the usual suspects. How do you generally respond to those who attempt to stifle this discussion whenever they label it a conspiracy theory or just quack stuff? How have you guys responded to that?


Germar Rudolf: Maybe I should address that since I've been confronted with that for the past 35 years. There is a cliché image, a strawman argument basically that you put up that is being pushed forward that we Holocaust skeptics say that, oh, this is a big Jewish conspiracy, they made up this lie in order to get political influence, to get reparations and whatever. And that they have been doing so behind the scenes and they faked all the evidence and they coordinated making up stories. But this is absolutely not what we say.

The research that has gone into our 54 volumes of archival and forensic research that goes deep into primary evidence of all kinds of forensic nature and so forth that tries to understand what happened during the war at war's end and so forth. So it's a complex history of wartime propaganda and exaggeration that happens in every war, of rumors and misunderstandings that happens in human conflicts when chaos reigns, and of lobbyists of various kinds and the Jewish is only one of them. I mean, we had world powers waging war against each other, every one of them had an agenda, was pushing it. And the biggest contribution actually came from Soviet propaganda sources. The coordinated Jewish efforts to contribute to that and to take advantage of it on a worldwide political stage does not materialize really until the 1961 Eichmann show trial. That's when you see a major push of Jewish powers. Before that, if we look at, for instance, how the gas chamber narrative, and that's the core of the Holocaust, the iconic core is the gas chamber, how that evolved during the war and at war's end, there's nothing about a Jewish conspiracy there, there's no coordination, there's no powerful group in the background pulling strings, that's absolutely not what happened.

I've written two books about that by now. The one is "The Holocaust Proven in Nuremberg?" that goes into the evidence that's presented there and shows how this story evolved and was pushed through that trial, which was very important for the formation of that story. And a second book that is called "Nazi Gas Chambers: The Roots of the Story", that really goes into what is the basis of this and how was this story formed and shaped. And the prime suspects are actually Stalinist, Eastern communist propagandists who were at the root of shaping the story, as we are told to this day, creating it out of a completely chaotic, anarchistic, hodgepodge of contradictory eyewitness testimonies, mainly by Jews, but absolutely not coordinated. There were a lot of Jews who were victims of Third Reich persecution. They had an axe to grind and they were telling all kinds of stories. And I would say it's all understandable that this happened, but there was no coordination, there was no streamlining, there was no system behind it at all, complete chaos. And to shape a story that looks somewhat consistent out of this chaos was done mainly in Poland under Stalinist supervision. And very understandable so why and how this was done. It can also be seen in a book, by the way. The book can be seen, if I might share that here. It can be accessed online completely free of charge. If I were to go to that website, let me see. Holocausthandbooks.com. We have a section here, books, Holocaust pocketbooks. We have "Nazi gas chambers". There's the book that I just mentioned about the roots of the story that explains that. And the other one is the second one in the series, the "Holocaust Proven at Nuremberg?", that tells us how doing this iconic post-war trial where Nazi leaders were put on trial, how this story was shaped without the defense having any ability to contest that narrative. So there is no conspiracy behind it other than the allied nations conspiring to continue waging a psychological war after Germany's defeat by doing those trials. It's not really a conspiracy and secrecy that was plainly open for everyone to see.

So if we're talking about a secret conspiracy, I can counter that and turn that thing around, because it's the mainstream that constantly said the Nazis conspired in secrecy to kill all the Jews. And they were hiding this plan in their documents, in their communications, in all of the evidence they created by using euphemisms, code language, secret language, using other words to say something completely different like evacuation, resettlement, deportation, when they really mean murder, mass murder, killing. So there's a huge body of evidence that evidently doesn't fit the narrative, but it's being pushed like a round peg into a square hole by assuming there was this secret conspiracy going on by Nazis all over the administration trying to hide it and trying to do something that they want to hide from the world. And this in itself sounds to me like a conspiracy theory that this could have happened. And the pinnacle of this claim is actually one of the world's leading historian, the late historian Raul Hilberg, who was during his lifetime considered one of the eminent, if not the most eminent Holocaust scholars of the mainstream. And he said something in reaction to the fact that there has never been found a plan, a budget, a blueprint, any kind of way of organizing administrative or functional body that would actually implement the final solution in terms of mass murder of the Jews. No budget, nothing there. So there is no evidence for anything of this like this having happened on the documentary level. How do we explain it? And he said, well, there was just something happening, a secret meeting of minds between all those bureaucrats, they developed it step by step without coordination, without giving anything away. And basically, he says it was a secret plot by mind reading. Now, how much more conspiratorial theory -like can you get than this? And this is the world's or used to be the world's top leading scholars of the mainstream when it comes to the Holocaust. So if you look at the facts, actually, it completely backfires, this kind of accusation. I turn around and say, no, you have a theory that stinks like a conspiracy theory.

[Hektor]

https://old.bitchute.com/video/1hL1UeO0lHPQ/



Transcript:


José Niño: Well, when you have a topic like Holocaust revisionism, it's obviously going to get some form of backlash from the usual suspects. How do you generally respond to those who attempt to stifle this discussion whenever they label it a conspiracy theory or just quack stuff? How have you guys responded to that?
....

"This is a conspiracy theory" is essentially a joker argument nowadays. Since some conspiracy theories are indeed distortions of reality and false, it is implied that all are and that one can discredit a proposition by calling it a 'conspiracy theory'.

No surprise that those trying to stifle discourse would like to use it.

[Eye of Zyclone]

So if we're talking about a secret conspiracy, I can counter that and turn that thing around, because it's the mainstream that constantly said the Nazis conspired in secrecy to kill all the Jews. And they were hiding this plan in their documents, in their communications, in all of the evidence they created by using euphemisms, code language, secret language, using other words to say something completely different like evacuation, resettlement, deportation, when they really mean murder, mass murder, killing. So there's a huge body of evidence that evidently doesn't fit the narrative, but it's being pushed like a round peg into a square hole by assuming there was this secret conspiracy going on by Nazis all over the administration trying to hide it and trying to do something that they want to hide from the world. And this in itself sounds to me like a conspiracy theory

Couldn't be repeated too many times.

















Little-known fact : The conspiracy narrative, together with the trick of so-called "facts of common knowledge" & judicial notice, exempted the victors of WW2 from proving their accusations.

Judicial notice

Judicial notice is a rule in the law of evidence that allows a fact to be introduced into evidence if the truth of that fact is so notorious or well-known, or so authoritatively attested, that it cannot reasonably be doubted.

Legal disputes about foreign affairs are generally settled by judicial notice by obtaining the information directly from the office of the Secretary of State (in the United States). For example, if a litigant in an extradition hearing attempted to argue that Israel was not a sovereign state, a statement from the Secretary of State that the U.S. recognized Israel as a sovereign state would settle the issue and no evidence could be led to the contrary.

In the 1981 case of Mel Mermelstein v. Institute for Historical Review, the Superior Court of Los Angeles County took judicial notice of the fact that Jews were gassed to death at the Auschwitz Concentration Camp in 1944.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_notice

Mel Mermelstein

He is best known for his litigation with the Institute for Historical Review over evidence of gas chambers in German concentration camps during World War II. The legal dispute was resolved in Mermelstein's favor, without the court giving an opinion on the merits of the dispute, since it ruled that the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz is a legally indisputable fact.

In 1980, the Institute for Historical Review (IHR) promised a $50,000 reward to anyone who could prove that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz.[5]

Mermelstein wrote a letter to the editors of the Los Angeles Times and others, including The Jerusalem Post. The Institute for Historical Review wrote back, offering him $50,000 for proof that Jews were, in fact, gassed in the gas chambers at Auschwitz. Mermelstein, in turn, submitted a notarized account of his internment at Auschwitz and how in 1944 he witnessed Nazi guards ushering his mother and two sisters and others towards (as he learned later) gas chamber number five.[5]

The IHR refused to pay the reward, stating that Mermelstein's notarized account was "not sufficient proof". Represented by public interest attorney William John Cox, Mermelstein subsequently sued the IHR in the Superior Court of Los Angeles County for breach of contract, anticipatory repudiation, libel, injurious denial of established fact, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and declaratory relief (see case no. C 356 542). On October 9, 1981, both parties in the Mermelstein case filed motions for summary judgment in consideration of which Judge Thomas T. Johnson of the Superior Court of Los Angeles County took "judicial notice of the fact that Jews were gassed to death at the Auschwitz Concentration Camp in Poland during the summer of 1944",[1][6] judicial notice meaning that the court treated the gas chambers as common knowledge, and therefore did not require evidence that the gas chambers existed. On August 5, 1985, Judge Robert A. Wenke entered a judgment based upon the Stipulation for Entry of Judgment agreed upon by the parties on July 22, 1985. The judgment required IHR and other defendants to pay $90,000 to Mermelstein and to issue a letter of apology to "Mr. Mel Mermelstein, a survivor of Auschwitz-Birkenau and Buchenwald, and all other survivors of Auschwitz" for "pain, anguish and suffering" caused to them.[6][5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Mermelstein

[Stubble]

Also, 'expert reports' could not be contested, hence, the Germans perpetrated Katyn according to the IMT, among other things.

Great post as always EoZ.

[Joe Splink]

Can anyone just say it? I'll give it a go - not only was it a conspiracy, it's easy to identify the main players. It's tempting to say the 'Holocaust' is the greatest hoax in the history of the world ...... but then .... Judaism, Christianity, Islam .... these preposterous hoaxes are actually believed by billions. I was raised in a nominally Christian household, and went to Church/Sunday school every week, and I realized relatively early, say by the age of 12, that it was just utter nonsense. And yet .... So, there are some fundamental assumptions ... man is a rational animal .... that just aren't true.

But, back to the topic at hand. Jewish writers had been writing about the Holocaust since 1906 at least, when this article appeared in the NYT - .

Of course that Holocaust was in Russia ... nonetheless .... the usual suspects were conspiring to create the hoax full steam during WW I, and the results are documented in Heddesheimer's book, The First Holocaust, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns With Holocaust Claims During World War One. abbi Stephen Wise, founder of the American Jewish Congress and assistant to Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, the leader of the Zionist movement in the US, were instrumental in creating the WW I hoax, and led the efforts to resurrect the hoax during WW II.


From https://holocaust101.com/201/
The London office of the World Jewish Congress began making extermination claims in 1942. The evidence for the claims was invariably 'eyewitness' reports. . The World Jewish Congress communicated the claims to the US government using diplomatic channels, and the messages were received by the US Department of State, then headed by Secretary of State Cordell Hull and Undersecretary Sumner Wells. Hull and Wells were skeptical of the claims and suppressed them. They were however duly reported in the New York Times, and many extermination articles appeared in the paper from 1942 on. In 1943 the general consensus of the NYT articles was that two million had been killed, and four million were in imminent danger of being killed. For example, from the NYT, March 10, 1943, p. 12:

"40,000 Here View Memorial To Jews Forty thousand persons listened and watched [...] last night to two performances of 'We Will Never Die,' a dramatic mass memorial to the 2,000,000 Jews killed in Europe. [...] The narrator said 'There will be no Jews left in Europe for representation when peace comes. The four million left to kill are being killed, according to plan.'"

The source for the numbers? The script for the 'memorial' written by Hollywood screenwriter Ben Hecht.

The photo shows a protest march of 200 rabbis on Washington also in 1943 in support of the Jewish victims of the Holocaust. Roosevelt refused to meet the rabbis.


Rabbi Stephen Wise and other prominent Jews continued to pressure the government to acknowledge the Holocaust claims, but Roosevelt and the state department failed to take active notice of the extermination reports and continued to downplay their significance. However the Zionists did have an ally in the Roosevelt administration, the Jewish Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau. Morgenthau was a strong supporter of Jewish immigration to Palestine, and the Treasury Department was actively involved in efforts to arrange and finance the relocation of Jews out of Europe. The Department of State was also involved in relocating the Jews, and conflict between the departments followed. The matter was resolved in favor of Wise and Morgenthau when Roosevelt created a new agency, the War Refugee Board, to deal with the problems of the Jews in Europe. This became Morgenthau's board, and was effectively a conduit for the World Jewish Congress and other Zionist organizations to direct US government policy and propaganda related to the Holocaust.

The document shown to the left describes the blueprint for the holocaust hoax at Auschwitz. What had previously been the claims of the World Jewish Congress became, by virtue of this document alone, established facts on the authority of the US government. And the evidence? Three anonymous 'eyewitness' reports. Thus the foundation of the holohoax was not physical evidence, Nazi documents, US military intelligence, or military field reports. Instead the whole edifice rests on the uncorroborated 'eyewitness' testimony of three anonymous individuals as reported to the World Jewish Congress and forwarded to the War Refugee Board. David Irving describes how it happened in this video David Irving's Holocaust


Note the line in the report above = "So revolting and diabolical are the German atrocities that the minds of civilized men find it difficult to believe that they have actually taken place.". Did anyone outside the War Refugee Board and the World Jewish Congress believe the holohoax lies in 1945? The US state department did not, but as the Soviet army approached Auschwitz they did investigate the 'rumor' that the Nazis planned to kill the prisoners before the camp was abandoned. The telegram to the left from Secretary of State Edward Stettinus shows that the US state department contacted the German High Command through Irish intermediaries and that the Germans replied that the rumor was without foundation and that if camps were abandoned the inmates would be evacuated. This is of course what happened.


Now the conspirators control the US govt, and have been Holocaust Museums throughout the US, they generated endless 'news' articles about the hoax, they control Hollywood and have made hundreds of movies about the hoax, and then given them Academy Awards.


It's truly a massive hoax/conspiracy. To think otherwise is ............ ????

Just by chance I just a few minutes ago watched part of an (insufferable - but OB is interesting) Tucker Carlson interview with Owen Benjamin ... and one of the true lines, I think it was OB but then TC agreed,.... "It's the conspirators that are calling everything a conspiracy theory."

Wait a minute ....... whoa .... did someone just say GR was wrong ? ???? No, of course not, there must be some misunderstanding .... probably a typo ...