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Nessie wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 1:37 pm
Eye of Zyclone wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 12:46 pm
Nessie wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 12:29 pm Thank you for providing more examples of claims made that have since been evidenced to be false. So you are wrong to claim you cannot prove a negative.
Well tried, but those things were not evidenced to be false. Propagandists just stopped telling those lies because the victorious powers didn't select them for posterity after the end of the wars in which they were used as weapons of psychological warfare, and time did the rest to more or less erase them from public memory.
They were evidenced to be false, or there was no evidence to substantiate them. The Dachau gas chamber is a very good example of how evidence determined if there had been mass killing and gas chambers at a camp.
Nessie wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 12:29 pmIf there had been no gas chambers and mass murders, there would be both evidence and a lack of evidence from eyewitnesses, documents and other sources to prove that. For example, if the Kremas were not used for gassings, there would be evidence from people who worked there, who stated there were no gas chambers and you would not find a witness who said that there were gas chambers.
Too bad witness testimonies never proved anything. :roll:
They all corroborated and proved the use of gas chambers. You underestimate how all courts find that when an accused and witnesses agree with each other, that is strong corroboration.
What kind of documents could possibly prove that those rooms were not gas chambers ? The blueprints says that they were morgues (Leichenkeller), but orthodox/antirevisionist historians claim that they were gas chambers in spite of that. Documents say what things were/are (positive), NOT what they were/are not (negative).
Documents that recorded the numbers of corpses stored each day would prove the Leichenkellers were not being used for gassing. Or, for those who believe they were used for delousing or showering, documents that referenced that happening. Or, a document that stated there was an awareness of rumours of gas chambers and a visit had been arranged with the ICRC to inspect them. Then, of course, documents that recorded what happened to those people not selected for work, proving that they left Birkenau alive, that would do.
Lying. Disingenuous. Fallacy.

There are indeed documents demonstrating these buildings' use as morgue, you just choose to ignore them as usual.
Letter from the head of the Central Construction Office to the SS garrison physi-
cian in response to his request of July 20 (1943). In the meeting between SS-
Standartenführer Dr. Mrugowski, SS garrison physician (Dr. Wirths) and the head
of the Central Construction Office (SS-Sturmbannführer Bischoff) it was decided
to reject the request:
“SS-Standartenführer Mrugowski stated at the meeting on 31 July that the corpses
should be transferred twice a day, in the morning and in the evening, to the morgues of
the crematoria
, which makes the separate construction of mortuary chambers in the
individual subsections unnecessary.”
Letter from the SS garrison physician to the camp commandant concerning the
prisoner infirmary of Construction Section II. 45,000 prisoners were planned for
the camp, 10% of whom were sick. Calculation of the barracks needed to house
the 4,500 sick and the nurses (450, one for 10 sick).
“For the removal of corpses from the inmate infirmary to the crematorium, 2 covered
handcarts must be procured, each allowing the transport of 50 corpses."
Response of the SS garrison physician to the decision of May 22 (1944):
“In the inmate infirmaries of the camps of Auschwitz CC II, a certain number of
corpses naturally accumulate daily, whose removal to the crematoria is indeed sched-uled and takes place twice daily, in the morning and in the evening. However, in view
of the shortage of vehicles and at times of fuel in Auschwitz CC, it happens that the
corpses are left lying around for up to 24 hours. For reasons of epidemic hygiene, eve-
ry hospital has a morgue for the short-term storage of the corpses that accumulate.
The number of sick persons in the general hospitals does not fall below 500 beds on
average, while in the individual prisoner infirmary of Auschwitz CC II, the number of
beds averages 3-4000. In my opinion, it is therefore no more than self-evident that ap-
propriate storage rooms are available for the numerous corpses that accumulate.”
He therefore renewed his request for a brick mortuary.
Letter from the SS garrison physician Auschwitz to the medical orderlies of all
camps of Auschwitz CC III with the subject “Corpses from branch camps”:
“As of now (Jan 1944), corpses may no longer be transported from Au. II. and Au. III to the
morgue
of camp Au. I.
Instead, the corpses are to be brought to the crematorium immediately after identifica-
tion, careful checking of the prisoner’s number.
Until further notice, however, the death reports are to be sent to the office of the in-
mate infirmary of the Au. I. by 12 noon on the day of delivery to the crematorium for
the purpose of drawing up the necessary death papers.
In each case of death, the exact cause of death and the day of admission to the inmate
infirmary must be stated.”
Via Mattogno HH vol 48.

Stop lying, stop posting your crap.
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Pilgrimofdark.

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Does that spelling ever show up in material published in Poland? Or is it exclusively a British error?

Then in September 1944, Tremblinka is used in numerous interrogation reports written by the Soviet-Polish investigatory commissions. But it was spelled correctly in the August 1944 Red Army investigation, and by SMERSH, and by the ESC in October.

It's not a surprise the British would persist in their Tremblinka misspelling, but why did the Soviets also use that particular word for just 12 days in September?
It is that sort of error, which makes the claim a mass conspiracy involving the cooperation of the Soviets, Polish, British and the Nazis, possible, all the more incredible. The conspirators cannot even agree on the spelling of one camp's name. If they cannot coordinate that successfully, how could they possibly pull off such a massive hoax?

Revisionists like to obsess over tiny details that they can use to support their conspiratorial beliefs, to avoid having to face up to their inability to evidence as hoax, let alone evidence what actually happened.
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HansHill wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 2:23 pm
Nessie wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 1:37 pm .....

Documents that recorded the numbers of corpses stored each day would prove the Leichenkellers were not being used for gassing. Or, for those who believe they were used for delousing or showering, documents that referenced that happening. Or, a document that stated there was an awareness of rumours of gas chambers and a visit had been arranged with the ICRC to inspect them. Then, of course, documents that recorded what happened to those people not selected for work, proving that they left Birkenau alive, that would do.
Lying. Disingenuous. Fallacy.

There are indeed documents demonstrating these buildings' use as morgue, you just choose to ignore them as usual.
Letter from the head of the Central Construction Office to the SS garrison physi-
cian in response to his request of July 20 (1943). In the meeting between SS-
Standartenführer Dr. Mrugowski, SS garrison physician (Dr. Wirths) and the head
of the Central Construction Office (SS-Sturmbannführer Bischoff) it was decided
to reject the request:
“SS-Standartenführer Mrugowski stated at the meeting on 31 July that the corpses
should be transferred twice a day, in the morning and in the evening, to the morgues of
the crematoria
, which makes the separate construction of mortuary chambers in the
individual subsections unnecessary.”
Letter from the SS garrison physician to the camp commandant concerning the
prisoner infirmary of Construction Section II. 45,000 prisoners were planned for
the camp, 10% of whom were sick. Calculation of the barracks needed to house
the 4,500 sick and the nurses (450, one for 10 sick).
“For the removal of corpses from the inmate infirmary to the crematorium, 2 covered
handcarts must be procured, each allowing the transport of 50 corpses."
Response of the SS garrison physician to the decision of May 22 (1944):
“In the inmate infirmaries of the camps of Auschwitz CC II, a certain number of
corpses naturally accumulate daily, whose removal to the crematoria is indeed sched-uled and takes place twice daily, in the morning and in the evening. However, in view
of the shortage of vehicles and at times of fuel in Auschwitz CC, it happens that the
corpses are left lying around for up to 24 hours. For reasons of epidemic hygiene, eve-
ry hospital has a morgue for the short-term storage of the corpses that accumulate.
The number of sick persons in the general hospitals does not fall below 500 beds on
average, while in the individual prisoner infirmary of Auschwitz CC II, the number of
beds averages 3-4000. In my opinion, it is therefore no more than self-evident that ap-
propriate storage rooms are available for the numerous corpses that accumulate.”
He therefore renewed his request for a brick mortuary.
Letter from the SS garrison physician Auschwitz to the medical orderlies of all
camps of Auschwitz CC III with the subject “Corpses from branch camps”:
“As of now (Jan 1944), corpses may no longer be transported from Au. II. and Au. III to the
morgue
of camp Au. I.
Instead, the corpses are to be brought to the crematorium immediately after identifica-
tion, careful checking of the prisoner’s number.
Until further notice, however, the death reports are to be sent to the office of the in-
mate infirmary of the Au. I. by 12 noon on the day of delivery to the crematorium for
the purpose of drawing up the necessary death papers.
In each case of death, the exact cause of death and the day of admission to the inmate
infirmary must be stated.”
Via Mattogno HH vol 48.

Stop lying, stop posting your crap.
The documents record the transportation of corpses from around the camps, to the Kremas, not their storage at the Kremas. I have highlighted that. Show me a document that specifically records the storing of corpses at the Kremas in the Leichenkellers.

The operation of the Kremas, as described by witnesses, and in documents, with 24 hour cremations, would mean camp corpses arriving at the buildings could go straight to the ovens.
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Nessie wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 2:26 pmIt is that sort of error, which makes the claim a mass conspiracy involving the cooperation of the Soviets, Polish, British and the Nazis, possible, all the more incredible.
You consoling yourself by affirming your incredulity is not my problem :lol:

Was the purpose of this post passive aggressive abusive bullying? Or was there a point? What was that point? I didn't mention anything about a "massive hoax" and don't care about "massive hoaxes" at all. Such goofy mischaracterizations.

At first glance, Tremblinka seems to be a British corruption of Treblinka. But then in September 1944, the Soviets repeat that misspelling for 12 days -- but not before or after -- during the joint Soviet-Polish investigation/interrogations of the camp.

My questions, which don't have enough evidence (yet?) for an answer:
  • Is this an independent, accidental corruption of the camp's name?
  • Or was there some contact between British and Soviet-Polish sources that resulted in the perpetuation of the misspelling?
  • Or does it originate from some third-party source common to each but independent?
This is a "what actually happened" issue that probably doesn't have a 100% concrete answer, but only more-or-less plausible explanations.
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HansHill wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 2:35 pmLiar.
He may actually believe that a policy to bring inmates to the morgue of krema I before the Kremas at Auschwitz II were operational may have continued to be carried out 'with hand carts' in '43.

You have to remember, he isn't very bright.

You have to use Hanlon's Razor here. For the 'Benefit of Charity'.
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Stubble wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 3:25 pm
HansHill wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 2:35 pmLiar.
He may actually believe that a policy to bring inmates to the morgue of krema I before the Kremas at Auschwitz II were operational may have continued to be carried out 'with hand carts' in '43.

You have to remember, he isn't very bright.

You have to use Hanlon's Razor here. For the 'Benefit of Charity'.
Yes fair, but what he believes is his own business. He doesn't get to say "there is no evidence the morgues were morgues" then ignore where he is corrected!
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HansHill wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 3:55 pm
Stubble wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 3:25 pm
HansHill wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 2:35 pmLiar.
He may actually believe that a policy to bring inmates to the morgue of krema I before the Kremas at Auschwitz II were operational may have continued to be carried out 'with hand carts' in '43.

You have to remember, he isn't very bright.

You have to use Hanlon's Razor here. For the 'Benefit of Charity'.
Yes fair, but what he believes is his own business. He doesn't get to say "there is no evidence the morgues were morgues" then ignore where he is corrected!
Perhaps if you were somehow, more specific? Although, I don't know how that could be possible.

Ultimately, your exchange with him in this instance is a sterling example of why he finds himself in the Lazerett. Perhaps some day soon he will be 'deported east' and we won't see him on the forum anymore.

We all know that 'x' is the east I refer to here, and that this is not a euphemism at all, but, rather a statement of a possible policy solution to deal with 'The Nessie Question'.

This would be a 'Final Solution'.
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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Nessie wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 6:16 am My conclusion that there was mass killing, is down to corroborating evidence that is what happened.
cor·rob·or·ation

evidence which confirms - OR - supports a statement or theory
When you use the word "corroboration" - do you mean "confirm" or "support"?
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
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Nessie wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 6:20 am I stand corrected
That is THE understatement of all time.
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
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Nessie wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 12:25 pm The evidence of millions of Jews being arrested, transported and then disappearing inside certain specific camps, is circumstantial evidence, that is consistent with the corroborating evidence of mass murder, that proves the Holocaust.
The orthodox story of the so-called "jewish holocaust of WW II" is a bald faced lie.
BELZEC, CHELMNO, PONARY, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II

Are the remains of 2.145 million Jews really buried in the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves?

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/
And that's only looking at 5 camps.
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Eye of Zyclone wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 11:55 am A diversionary quibbling once again. Nobody ever claimed that deporting the "Indians" to some reservations was not a resettlement. Ditto for the Palestinians imprisoned in Gaza. The word "resettlement" never implied freedom for the resettled people. Resettlement just means living in a new area after being displaced.
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Nessie wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 2:48 pm Only a die hard conspiracist, accepts the Holocaust as a hoax, with no evidence of it being hoaxed.
If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.
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Nessie wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 4:27 pm The Holocaust as a hoax, with millions of Jews not murdered, is an unproven thing.
OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/
If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.
If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is false.
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Keen wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 6:16 pm
Nessie wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 6:20 am I stand corrected
That is THE understatement of all time.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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