Is it true about the SS doing this?

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Silbers wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2026 8:14 pm
Hektor wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2026 6:19 pm
Silbers wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2026 5:12 pm



I presume that this is a BRD-German probably after Gen X. Well, that would explain it. After the Holocaust subject was pushed for decades, plenty of Germans went nuts. And they come up with narratives that exceed the officious version.
He seems to be young. I'd guess he'd be in his twenties.

Thought so... The image of National Socialism has been bent completely into a myths, there.
Let's assume the person was born 2000. Those indoctrinated with Holocaustology in the 1980s were entering work life already then. The going NS and Holocaust narrative was onmipresent in the media and once that person entered secondary schooling all or most of its teachers were Holocaustians already those that teach history and/or humanities subject. Add to that that virtually anybody in its social surroundings believed the narrative at least in principle and you have a situation were the most phantastic beliefs over NS-Germany can bear fruit.

Also bear in mind that the generation that were young grown-ups in the NS era were 80 plus years old then. Such people were previously a balance to the usual Holocaust propaganda and this is why you essentially had two narratives about the NS-era in Germany. Fore (1) There was the officious or hysterical account which painted the whole era in the darkest, ghoulish colours possible, although you got some exterminationist authors that indeed tried to pretend they were objective and sober in this. They are however the exception among people and they function to give the narrative more credibility.
And (2) there were those that had a more realistic idea about things, given that their experiences were quite different about the era. Those folks recalled the developments and social cohesion at the time and how the war was going then. They may not have been eager National Socialists, but they had a far more balanced view then those pushing the Holocaust Narrative. People of that kind were running things in Germany until 1990, as they were the managers, academics and key figures in civil society. Especially the older ones were also the target of "Vergangenheitsbewaeltigung", pushed by the 1968ers. Over time those that knew only hearsay about the NS-era did replace the older one's and the result is the obnoxious "New Germans" we are familiar with now. Now this didn't affect all of them the same way of course but affecting it did. That's also the reason policies went the way they did and it is the immanent cause of the present dire situation in Germany now. The irony is that the economic strength of Germany was built by old school Germans that either supported or accepted National Socialism as political, social and economic system at the time.
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borjastick wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2026 8:54 am It is a strange and unexplained anomaly the the normal camps such as Buchenwald and Belsen were found in such terrible state of repair with bodies piled up up and broken infrastructure etc but of course no gas chambers and once the dust had settled no claims of mass murder, but the camps opened up by Russia, the 'death camps' were completely different. They were either evaporated into myth and thin air such as Treblinka, Belzec or like Auschwitz intact and operational but no bodies, no cremains and no evidence of mass murder yet these are the camps which it is claimed were the centre of holocaust industrialised mass murder etc.
Atrocity propaganda doesn't need evidence. Atrocity propaganda thrives better on imagination and imagination fills the blanks when there is almost nothing to show. The Dachau gas chamber was retracted in 1960 because the Germans could see it with their own eyes and that's the reason why their disbelief and defiance were growing at an alarming rate. It was a masterstroke. The gas-chamber myth was saved because it was sheltered behind the seemingly-everlasting Iron Curtain from the 1960s onwards and most of the people who visit Auschwitz nowadays have been "prepared" for that trip (i.e. emotionally brainwashed and mentally preconditioned into believing it) for months before going there.
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Eye of Zyclone wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2026 3:23 am
Stubble wrote: Tue Jun 23, 2026 6:44 pm To be precise, it is alleged that 'the extermination of the jews' was 'stopped' in 'late '44.
THE PRESIDENT: In order that the record should be properly complete, the Tribunal would like the Prosecution to state when the translation has been done, so that the matter should be thoroughly in order.

COL. AMEN: Precisely.

Defendant, we will now read this document together:

"I, Kurt Becher, former SS Standartenfuehrer, born 12 September 1909, at Hamburg, declare the following under oath:

"1. Between the middle of September and the middle of October 1944 I caused the Reichsfuehrer SS Himmler to issue the following order, which I received in two originals, one each for SS Obergruppenfuehrer Kaltenbrunner and Pohl, and a copy for myself:

" 'By this order, which becomes immediately effective, I forbid any extermination of Jews and order that, on the contrary, care should be given to weak and sick persons."
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/04-12-46.asp[/spoiler]

This exchange quoted from the IMT is of course the extent of any admission to any order ever regarding 'elimination of the jews'. This was grafted into the historiography because there were no orders and so this confession of an order to terminate the killing program is used as de facto proof of the program's existence.
True. Why didn't Kurt Becher keep in his pocket the copy of an order he had originated and which was his best chance of survival and perhaps even immunity once captured by the enemy ? The answer is : because this order was just a fiction fabricated by the victors to back up their own atrocity propaganda.
It has me wondering if there is any other evidence of the claimed order.

Did the allies seriously just take 'trust me bro' as gospel?

It's just like any other part of the Holocaust, it simply falls apart when you look at it critically.

Why is it always like this? Oh, yea, because it's a bunch of bullshit....
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Stubble wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2026 11:31 am It has me wondering if there is any other evidence of the claimed order.

Did the allies seriously just take 'trust me bro' as gospel?

It's just like any other part of the Holocaust, it simply falls apart when you look at it critically.

Why is it always like this? Oh, yea, because it's a bunch of bullshit....
They probably even instructed him to say that as part of a "personal immunity for false confession" deal.
Consistent with his quiet and rich "postwar activities"... ;)
Postwar activities

After the war, Becher was spared prosecution primarily through the testimony of Kasztner, his negotiating partner from his time in Budapest.[18] He later became a prosperous businessman in Bremen.[3] Becher was the president of many corporations, including the Cologne-Handel Gesellschaft, which did extensive business with the Israeli government.[19]

By 1960 he was one of the wealthiest men in West Germany,[19] with estimated assets of US$30 million.[20] He came to public attention once again in 1961 when he served as a witness for the prosecution during the trial in Jerusalem of SS officer Adolf Eichmann.[21] He provided his testimony from his home in Germany, because he was unwilling to travel to Israel.[3] He reportedly died a wealthy man.[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Becher
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Well, they did have to get somebody to say there was some kind of order...

No budget, no time table, no plans, but, a guy said there was an order to make it stop once. He, didn't have his copy, and, nobody had their copy, but, by golly gee, it's true I tell ya.
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Stubble wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2026 2:59 pm Well, they did have to get somebody to say there was some kind of order...

No budget, no time table, no plans, but, a guy said there was an order to make it stop once. He, didn't have his copy, and, nobody had their copy, but, by golly gee, it's true I tell ya.
Also how it happened for the six-million-jews-killed-by-the-natzees thing itself...

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