Please help me find this testimony

[Booze]

I lost track of a testimony of a Jewish man who said he would put other Jews into a cement mixer. Apparently as a mercy killing because he said he would want someone to do it for him.
Also I recall that he went to Israel after the war where he was employed operating heavy machinery.
If you are familiar with this story I'd appreciate your help.

[Wetzelrad]

Presumably you mean Isaak Ochshorn.

Isaak Ochshorn's atrocity story in The Courier-Mail, 'LIVE JEWS PUT IN ROAD MIXER', Oct-19-1945.jpg (410.99 KiB) Viewed 191 times

LIVE JEWS PUT IN ROAD MIXER
NEW YORK, Oct. 18 (Special).—Some Jews in Germany were thrown alive into grinding concrete mixers by the Nazis.

The resulting material was used to repair roads.

Evidence of this practice has been made available by the World Jewish Congress to the United States War Crimes Commission.

The Congress has taken the eye witness testimony of a Jew, who, as an unwilling clerk, saw the officials of seven German death camps' at work for nearly six years.

The clerk, Isaak Egon Echshorn, 44, of Vienna, testified that he witnessed the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Jews.

The Courier-Mail: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50262325
Archived thread: https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... f=2&t=7543

DACHAU
The Jews were thrown alive into huge concrete mixers where they were milled into pulp. This material served as street plaster; hence, these streets were commonly called "Judenstrassen" (Jew-roads).

https://www.testifyingtothetruth.co.uk/ ... /105855/4/

13. It was at Dachau that I personally witnesses the live bodies of prisoners being thrown into concrete mixers and there brought to their death in the most horrible manner.

Source image: https://i.postimg.cc/JRThsxhQ/Isaak-Och ... 429-PS.jpg
Possible German version: https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/documents/603484

See page 2, paragraph 5 as to how Jews were thrown alive into large concrete mixing machines. In reply to questions Ochshorn gave the following details:- this throwing into concrete mixing machines were not done by orders of the Capos. The Jewish labour gangs on their way to the ten plantations had to pass a working place where other prisoners were working as stone-breakers and at this spot the SS men on guard indulged in the pleasure of throwing the Jews who passed into the concrete mixing machine alive.
[...]
The camp leader in Dachau who carried out the above-mentioned execution order was SS. Oberscharfuehrer Zirn. Ochshorn added at this point that the throwing of Jews into the large concrete mixing machines took places several times a week. Twice he saw it wity his own eyes. It was later stopped because all Jews refused to march out and therefore the Capo of the Jewish Block who personally had nothing to do with this, complained.

https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/documents/603483

Curiously, the same story found its way into Jack Taylor's account, although Taylor was never interned in Dachau, only Mauthausen, and Ochshorn was never interned in Mauthausen.

Horrors of Mauthausen concentration camp were told when the trial of 60 members of the camp staff was begun.
[...]
The first witness, Lt-Commander Jack Taylor, the US Navy, who was an inmate of the camp, told the court in a matter-of-fact voice how inmates were put to death by beating, electrocution, throwing from cliffs, and mashing in concrete mixers.

The Mercury: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/1941874

[Wetzelrad]

Or I could be completely off-base and you are thinking of some other cement mixer story. I am surprised to find several of them. Maybe this guy.

[Booze]

Presumably you mean Isaak Ochshorn.

These are great, they contribute to what I'm trying to collect on this topic.
How can a cement mixer liquefy bodies?
If that were possible than you'd never be able to select the size of aggregate, it would all get pulverized.

[Booze]

Or I could be completely off-base and you are thinking of some other cement mixer story. I am surprised to find several of them. Maybe this guy.

Yes that is the one, Joshua Kaufman, thank you.
I'm now looking for the specific video were he talks about the cement mixer, it's classic.
No luck so far.
But I did find one where he is honored by Trump in congress, lol.
And in the link you gave there's a major issue with his tattoo number.

[Wetzelrad]

Joshua Kaufman, then. From his Shoah Foundation testimony:

He said we have to carry 50 kilogram cement off our shoulder, and to go 24 steps to the mixing machine. And I said to myself, 50 kilogram is 100 pound, and I'm 15 years old. How will I will be able? And I said if you cannot carry it? He said no problem. You have two choices. If for any reason you fall on your knees that you cannot go up with the 50 kilogram cement, they get the order I'll throw you in the mixing machine alive or carry you down and to put you one of each other.

I said, Joshua, you cannot afford this luxury thing. But you will have to do it. And the first day I couldn't go up on my feet. I went on my knees, but I carried the 50 kilogram cement. And who couldn't carry the 50 kilogram cement-- listen carefully. This was two way. Or they gave to order what I got this order not once. Put them on, throw them alive in the mixing machine. Or the order was to carry them down and to put them one of each other. And all of them, they were alive.

And then I made a picture. Joshua, you cannot be carried down here because all the people in the evening when you got the order to put them on the trucks to deliver them in the crematorium, they were all alive. They were asking for help. I decided if I for any reason will be not able to go up with 50 kilogram cement, I will not wait for the verdict carry him down. I will drop myself in the mixing machine.

And I was happier to put people in the mixing machine because I know one day I will jump after them. Because in the mixing machine you suffer 30 seconds. But down they could suffer one or two day alive without help. No kaiser, no citro cyanide.

And one more. Later I could carry two sacks cement. 100 pound.

INT: And so did you put--

JK: Hm?

INT: Did you put them in the mixing machine? Did you put them in the mixing machine?

JK: The mixing machine? I-- well, I saw it the whole day, 10, 12 hours. I saw it. I throw in people with these two hand. I picked them up. They couldn't go up. They dropped from any reason. I picked-- I picked them up with the happiness, because I will-- I know that I will follow them one day. To prepare yourself is easier that you get surprised. I know that I never wanted to carry down. And when I put them in, I know they will suffer five second, 10 second, and that's it. But this was the order.

INT: What was the machine precisely?

JK: They were building an underground runway. You need a massage?

CREW: No, no, no.

JK: [LAUGHS]

INT: Tell me--

JK: Don't get scared for my story. This not a story.

INT: Tell me, what was the mixing machine.

JK: The mixing machine-- we were building an underground runway for the Messerschmitt what they manufactured. Every-- they still exist. I was there with my children. Not the whole. This still exist. Tens of thousand of people died there, and tens of thousand people worked there. And I was one of them.

The camp was-- one was Mühldorf, where I slept, where I worked. In the other side of the runway airport was Waldlager. But tens of thousand people, 24 hours a day, worked there. This exist until today.

INT: So the mixing machine did what?

JK: A mixing machine. Did you ever see a mixing machine? Go to La Brea here Los Angeles. Go ask the owner. I want to see how the mixing machine. You will see. You put in cement. Water is coming automatically. And trucks are coming, and they filled up, and they take this to building. This wasn't building for killing prisoner. This was built to manufacture mixing cement.

INT: So I need to be clear. Inmates who were going to die, or had already died, were thrown into the mixing machine.

JK: Or you die or-- or you alive. No middle section. And people were in the mixing machine. They-- they got in pieces. You couldn't find them in building. The-- the mixing machine goes to the-- to the-- where they run the ready-made cement.

Did you ever see a mixing machine? If no, go to look. They will show you. If no, go to the trucks what deliver mixing cement, and you will see how they make the roof or everything. Mixing machine. It's a very simple procedure.

INT: And were the SS involved in that process of--

JK: No. This was management, kapos. I saw a soldier. But who looked around? You don't have time to look around. You did your job. You became a robot.
[...]
And to go to all these places where I was sleeping, where I was working. When I looked up I didn't remember which place, which mixing machine I throw in people. And many mixing machine. This-- there-- this, this runway was kilometers long. It's not 100 feet. And they bombarded it after the World War II. But they couldn't demolish the whole thing. And my children ask me [where this happened]. I said I don't remember. For me Mühldorf is Mühldorf. This mixing machine, this machine. I don't remember.

https://youtu.be/rwBEwR30o9w?t=5710

You remembered it correctly. It's an insane story. "I throw in people with these two hand... I picked them up with the happiness."

Even the interpreter comes across as skeptical. Or maybe accusatory. Of course there is no instance where human remains were found in runway cement or road cement. It's totally fictitious.

[Booze]

Thank you, I was watching that at 4am and fell asleep. I did not make it to that point in the video.
It's too bad that he's so hard to understand.
But subtitles could help.

It's amazing that the industry would even try to legitimize this quack.

[Callafangers]

Here is yet another example of something (like delousing/showers, labor in the East, transports, etc.) that was really just about sanitation and labor being twisted/distorted as an act of theatrical genocide.

How bizarre.

[Wetzelrad]

Thank you, I was watching that at 4am and fell asleep. I did not make it to that point in the video.
It's too bad that he's so hard to understand.
But subtitles could help.

I must point out that with Youtube there is a built-in transcription feature. Practically every video is automatically transcribed now shortly after it is uploaded. Click the closed caption button for automatic subtitles or click the description box below the video and find the "show transcript" button for a complete, searchable transcript. There is also the option of automatic translation in the video settings, but this works only inconsistently.

Some of these tapes do have poor audio. Often the audio is panned to one side so you might need to make a manual adjustment for that.

It's amazing that the industry would even try to legitimize this quack.

Maybe. Then again, I'm not sure there are any Holocaust storytellers whose stories are not outlandish. From my reading and listening, their stories all have comparable plausibility to Kaufman's.

Separately, I came across this 2019 video wherein Trump recognized Kaufman in his SOTU address. So he does have some significance. One is left to wonder how and why events in Dachau are at all relevant to the state of America in 2019.

[Booze]

What we now have with the citation provided by Wetzelrad is, two instances of this 'technology' being implemented separate and apart from each other. Each reporting a highly efficient all-in-one method of extermination and body disposal.
(I wonder if there was some sort of telepathy at work.)

At any rate, it should put any believer in the position of explaining why this wasn't the dominant technology. Why would there be a need for expensive stationary gas chambers and crematories. This replaces both mobile crematories and gas vans.
All you need to do is eliminate the cement from the mix and you're able to pour off the remains.

[Booze]

I wonder if they had to have to victims undress or if the clothing and boots etc., get granulated and/or liquefied.

[Wetzelrad]

Yes, we have a real convergence of evidence here.

This story may also tie in with the story from the Reinhardt camps, where, according to famed historian Deborah Lipstadt, the Nazis "pulveriz[ed] the bodies in specially adapted cement-mixer apparatuses", which was part of "erasing all traces". In this instance the Jews were already dead when they went in, but the conception of their dissolving into nothingness is the same. (CODOH article.)

If a cement mixer can kill and dissolve a human to nothing, then the Nazis never needed any of the other machinery. Those fools.

[Wetzelrad]

Revisionist writings on Joshua Kaufman include Carolyn Yeager's three articles as well as one more recent article by Eric Hunt. The latter is so excessively crass that I won't even link to it, but it does raise some useful points, some of which I borrow below.

Kaufman claimed to work in Birkenau in an above-ground gas chamber (01:28:17) not in any crematorium (01:23:28, 01:28:53). But the bodies he moved were taken by stretcher to the crematorium (01:25:20). No such arrangement ever existed, according to the experts.

Kaufman claimed that he was not Sonderkommando but rather a repeat volunteer who helped remove bodies from the gas chamber for the Sonderkommando (01:23:28). This is a distinction unknown to the experts, and therefore invented.

Kaufman claimed all the Sonderkommando were regularly killed to keep them from talking (01:27:34), but he was not killed with them. This is a gaping hole in the supposed plan to eliminate witnesses.

Kaufman claimed that gassing victims were inexplicably "frozen together" and he had to "break bones" to do his work (01:23:48, 01:25:04, 01:49:15). Nothing like this results from Zyklon gas.

He asked how people including deniers can believe his stories if he himself doesn't (01:48:30-01:49:45).

It's unbelievable. And this is what I wonder, how people can believe to my stories? It's not a story. This what-- I say it every time, what I went through. How they can believe me if I don't believe in nothing? I wonder if you who will believe me. I wonder if her if she'll believe me. I would-- if you would tell me the stories what I am telling you, I wouldn't believe you.
[...]
If you tell me, I would listen to you, but I would never believe it. And I'll say it again. And I don't believe your story, whatever you are doing with this collection of the Holocaust survivors. And I'm not angry of the deniers either. If I don't believe, how they can believe?

He said that after the war Hungary was more antisemitic than before, with the antisemites thinking "we came back more [than] when we left" (03:44:37, 03:45:16).

He called Pope Pius XII an antisemite (03:58:10).

He claimed Jonathan Pollard's prison sentence was motivated by antisemitism (04:51:31).

My experience is that people who claim to see antisemitism everywhere are blinded by tribalism and unable to be honest narrators of history.

[Booze]

I appreciate you marking those time lines.
And as loony as this guy is he cannot simply be written off as such.
He was a special guest during the State of the Union address, who received a standing ovation, he's a feature survivor of the highest order.