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[Keen]

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Hektor, on the accepted evidence of at least some graves and buried remains at TII;

The evidence is literally in line with the Revisionist thesis, which assumes that there are at least some people that died and where buried there.

The problem with that assumption, is that it does not align with any of the evidence from the eyewitnesses and the evidence of mass arrivals with no corresponding evidence of mass departures.

Liar.

The total lack of physical evidence for mass murder is evidence that there was no mass murder.

If the physical evidence for an alleged mass murder that - HAS TO EXIST - for the mass murder to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged mass murder obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

TisMS93 asks;

f they weren't killed, where did they go?

Revisionists hate that question, but they have to answer it with evidence, or else their assumption that there are a few human remains at TII, but not the remains of c800,000 is wrong. I find it rather odd, when presented with corroborating evidence of large areas of disturbed ground that contain cremated and heavily decomposed human remains, that revisionists cannot accept that.

Liar.

"Revisionists do not hate that question. In fact, they love it because not only is it easy to point out as a logical fallacy, it proves that the holocaustians cannot produce so-much-as the tiniest fraction of 1% of the fraudulently alleged physical evidence.

The total lack of physical evidence for mass murder is evidence that there was no mass murder.

If the physical evidence for an alleged mass murder that - HAS TO EXIST - for the mass murder to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged mass murder obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

Stubble provides some explanation;

See how 'history' and 'corroboration' work? You just make it fit.

Revisionists... do not believe that c800,000 died at and were buried at TII, so they make the evidence fit, by dismissing all the witnesses to the deaths and mass graves as liars and deciding that the areas of buried remains cannot equate to so many bodies.

Liar.

Most "revisionists" do no believe in the orthodox story of mass murder and burial because there is virtually no physical evidence to substantiate the physically impossible tall tales told by the lying "eyewitnesses."

As Mr. Gerdes has so clearly and succinctly pointed out:

The total lack of physical evidence for mass murder is evidence that there was no mass murder.

If the physical evidence for an alleged mass murder that - HAS TO EXIST - for the mass murder to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged mass murder obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

Note:

Some low IQ revisionists believe in the retarded "holocaust by train" theory, and accept, without any physical evidence, that there actually are "huge mass graves" at Treblinka II that contain thousands of bodies. But they are just as cowardly as the mentally ill HC cult members when it comes to accepting the challenge to prove the existence of physical evidence that would substantiate their unsubstantiated allegations.

[Stubble]

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Hektor, on the accepted evidence of at least some graves and buried remains at TII;

The evidence is literally in line with the Revisionist thesis, which assumes that there are at least some people that died and where buried there.

The problem with that assumption, is that it does not align with any of the evidence from the eyewitnesses and the evidence of mass arrivals with no corresponding evidence of mass departures.

TisMS93 asks;

f they weren't killed, where did they go?

Revisionists hate that question, but they have to answer it with evidence, or else their assumption that there are a few human remains at TII, but not the remains of c800,000 is wrong. I find it rather odd, when presented with corroborating evidence of large areas of disturbed ground that contain cremated and heavily decomposed human remains, that revisionists cannot accept that.

Stubble provides some explanation;

See how 'history' and 'corroboration' work? You just make it fit.

Revisionists make the evidence fit with their assumptions and desired belief. They do not believe that c800,000 died at and were buried at TII, so they make the evidence fit, by dismissing all the witnesses to the deaths and mass graves as liars and deciding that the areas of buried remains cannot equate to so many bodies.

You accused me of 'quote mining' the other day, and here you are docking my quote, you quote mining faggot. If you are going to dock the damn quote at least have the damn decency to link back to it instead of cutting the link ID out of the quote. FFS.

[Nessie]

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Hektor, on the accepted evidence of at least some graves and buried remains at TII;

The evidence is literally in line with the Revisionist thesis, which assumes that there are at least some people that died and where buried there.

The problem with that assumption, is that it does not align with any of the evidence from the eyewitnesses and the evidence of mass arrivals with no corresponding evidence of mass departures.

TisMS93 asks;

f they weren't killed, where did they go?

Revisionists hate that question, but they have to answer it with evidence, or else their assumption that there are a few human remains at TII, but not the remains of c800,000 is wrong. I find it rather odd, when presented with corroborating evidence of large areas of disturbed ground that contain cremated and heavily decomposed human remains, that revisionists cannot accept that.

Stubble provides some explanation;

See how 'history' and 'corroboration' work? You just make it fit.

Revisionists make the evidence fit with their assumptions and desired belief. They do not believe that c800,000 died at and were buried at TII, so they make the evidence fit, by dismissing all the witnesses to the deaths and mass graves as liars and deciding that the areas of buried remains cannot equate to so many bodies.

You accused me of 'quote mining' the other day, and here you are docking my quote, you quote mining faggot. If you are going to dock the damn quote at least have the damn decency to link back to it instead of cutting the link ID out of the quote. FFS.

Is this a new rule you have invented, that when someone quotes others in a post and then someone else quotes that post, they have to link back to the posts the first person quoted from? TisMS93 quoted Hektor who was quoting you.

I have not altered the context of your quote to give it a different meaning. I have kept the context.

[Keen]

Revisionists assumption that there are a few human remains at TII, but not the remains of c800,000 is wrong.

There are 22 so-called "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II.

The original fraudulently alleged 6 - alleged by both Stangl and Wiernik.

The 15 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" alleged by Colls.

And the additional "huge mass grave" dug by Colls to bury all the fraudulently alleged cremated remains that she found during her "investigation" of Treblinka II. (Watch from the 38:20 mark to the 41:58 mark and from the 1:08:07 mark to the 1:08:40 mark in the following video for details.)



As an example of CSC fraud, here is one of her fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" that she allegedly "discovered."



And here is one of the Stangl / Wiernik "huge mass graves" (The only one of the alleged 6 ever "discovered.")

[Nessie]

Hektor;

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Indeed. The question was the go to cop out for those that insisted on the Holocaust Narrativ being true. But it is a form of deceit given that you actually can't prove the gassings an now have to rely on rhetorical tricks to distract from this.

No, it is a way to get those who doubt the mass murder gassing narrative to think evidentially and logically. If they really believe that the present level of evidence is insufficient to prove mass gassings, then logically and evidentially, they should prove that mass gassings did not happen and what did. They need to do what any genuine investigator would do, which is to find out what took place and reach a conclusion. It is far more a cop out, to fail to evidence what took place inside the AR camps and prove over a million Jews were still alive in 1944, having left those camps, than anything historians have done. They do not just insist the Holocaust is true, they prove it with evidence you chose to reject in favour of unevidenced assertions of a mass conspiracy.

When this is shown, the next copout is to point to the court cases where 'perpetrators confessed' having gassed people. Turns out, they did not do that neither. What you get is accused accusing other accused of doing this, which is a tactic to get concessions. When you point this out, they jump to the next joker argument they can find or make up. So it's essentially a fallacious carousel on the go there. Now that would be unneccessary, if they actually ha case and proven it.

Many SS death camp staff did try to minimise their roles in the killings and none that I know of admit to switching on an engine or pouring in Zyklon B. But none prove exculpatory evidence that would establish what took place and where all the Jews who are documented to have disappeared went. None blow the whistle on an organised conspiracy, or accidentally revealed it. For the Holocaust denial conspiracy to work, it needs remarkably compliant Germans, who would even confess to knowing about mass killings when under no duress or when they did not even know they were being recorded.

The conspiracy stretches credibility and possibility, having hundreds of Germans prepared to give false evidence in courts, to journalists and historians, about the mass killing process, as if ex-SS death camp staff were weak cowards with no backbone or desire to defend their honour. That and the hiding of millions of Jews, supposedly not killed, are incredible claims by deniers, without any, let alone incredible levels of evidence.

I was pointed to this by historians. more than 20 years ago. One was a phD that was at a German university during the "Historikerstreit" and he actually told me that the professional historians then agreed that the industrial homicidal gassing thesis lacked the evidence that should be there, if it was true. And those historians were not "Neonazis" (which is another copout), they were socialdemocratic, liberal or mildly conservative academics. They conceded that 'crimes' may have occurred, that e.g. 'Einsatzgruppen execution' were plausible. But that's it. No extermination program, no gas chambers, etc.

I don't believe that claim and would like to see evidence. "Professional historians" do not base their beliefs on whether "executions were plausible". They base them on evidence as to what took place and I would be surprised, but accept it is possible because of people like David Irvine, for some to believe there is insufficient evidence, for a time at least.

Would they have admitted to this privately. Yes, probably. Would they publicly dispute the Holocaust thesis? Never, they'd probably discontinue the conversation. And by then they'd point out that they are not allowed to dispute it.

This was all known by post-grad students at the time. Most agreed. But since the Holocaust subject wasn't their area of interest, they did not bother to publish on this, which would be a career stopper, unlikely that a 35 year old historian that would like to further research and publish on e.g. medieval history is going to destroy his opportunities to do so.

What happened afterwards at those universities, I don't know. But the newer generation probably won't know people that were adults during WW2 any longer. Somebody born past 1985. Possibly had grand parents born around/after 1930. They were kids in the era, but unlikely understand what went on and possibly swallowing what was fed through media afterwards.

If a German historian, searching an archive, found transport records that proved hundreds of thousands of people left TII and where they went, with corresponding records of their arrivals in those places, it would not be illegal for them to collate and present that evidence as contradicting the present history of the camp. If that evidence caused some elderly Poles to come forward, who state they drove the trains, or some Germans or Ukrainians who worked at the camps receiving them to speak out, the existing narrative would collapse. Holocaust revisionists, as they are driven more by belief and agenda, rather than evidence, do not understand that evidence is needed to shift the present narrative.

The biggest cause of the rise of conspiracy thinking amongst the younger generation, is social media, where evidence is put aside and the shoutiest most charismatic person gets to sway opinion with their opinions. At least someone who has been to university, has a chance of recognising the idiotic opinions on wooden doors, swimming pools and supposed Red Cross camp death tolls, are easily debunked denier claims.

[Keen]

Holocaust revisionists, as they are driven more by belief and agenda, rather than evidence, do not understand that evidence is needed to shift the present narrative.

Also nessie:

nessie:

I cannot physically show you mass graves.

Geophysics scientifically and conclusively proves that there are pits and that they exist. But it does not prove that those pits contain human remains.

Now CSC:

Caroline Sturdy Colls BEFORE her fraudulent "investigation" of Treblinka II:

CSC:

One of the main aims of this research is to demonstrate the survivability of the remains.

This research will focus upon the search for the physical remains, thus the remains will be identified, recorded.

Caroline Sturdy Colls AFTER her fraudulent "investigation" of Treblinka II:

CSC:

Without intrusive activity, it is not possible to conclusively determine the nature of these pits.

Now more nessie:

Nessie, is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, septic pits, etc. - were dug at Treblinka II - ??

nessie's answer:

True.

nessie, of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

nessie's answer:

I don't know.

What else do we know about Treblinka II?

"The [Richard Krege] team carefully examined... the alleged mass graves portion... They found no soil disturbance consistent with the burial of hundreds of thousands of bodies... Krege and his team found no evidence of individual graves, bone remains, human ashes, or wood ashes."

If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

[Wetzelrad]

"Professional historians" do not base their beliefs on whether "executions were plausible".