Why Do you Guys Think the Holocaust is Fake?

[Nessie]

Now, explain your lack of physical evidence of camps and ghettos in 1944, to accommodate millions of arrested Jews.

All these camps were attested to by an individual. From https://www.deutschland-ein-denkmal.de/ under maintenance


Zwangarbeitslager für Juden and other camps 1944

What is the total Jewish prison population of the camps shown on the map?

[borjastick]

There is some world class clutching at straws going on in this thread. If the World Straw Clutching Championships were on this weekend Gold and Silver would go to Nessie and Confused Jew respectively.

Stuff like this quote below which is claimed that the SS used telepathy and euphemism and their sixth sense to communicate that phrases such as 'final solution', 'resettlement' and 'expulsion' actually meant death even though there's no evidence at all for this conclusion and no reason for there to be any secret language in a private and confidential meeting of the very senior most officers and government officials who would have been signing things off in terms of the who, what, where and how Wannsee conference.

8. You claim that there was no explicit extermination order from Hitler.

Nazi leaders frequently used euphemisms (“special treatment,” “resettlement,” “Final Solution”) to hide the nature of their operations. Himmler, Heydrich, and Goebbels all orchestrated mass murder under his authority. Evidence of this can be found in Himmler's notes, Goebbels's diaries, Eichmann’s confessions, and SS orders show the program in action. Historian Christian Gerlach uncovered a December 1941 directive in which Hitler approved “the destruction of the Jews.” Such activities couldn't have logistically been implemented without the knowledge and approval of Hitler. The fact that a smoking gun memo doesn't exist, doesn't prove that it didn't happen. Absence of evidence doesn't prove that something didn't happen.

I have noticed in recent months that as the narcissistic and arrogant jewish holocaust promoters and believers become less certain of their position, because the sands around them are shifting, they first turned to this ridiculous argument that there are no records of mass deportations from the east of Poland into Russia into 'proof' of mass murder in places like Treblinka despite the physical evidence missing in action for 80 years. A leap of lunacy if ever I saw one only equalled by the WOKE, BLM, Trans Mafia nonsense in recent times.

There is also this great leap and mistake that millions of jews were simply dumped a few miles east of Malkinia Junction station and thus the impact of such a large resettlement would be clear and incontrovertible. Firstly there were never millions of jews under lock and key at one moment, it was a movable situation. Secondly they didn't all get sent east at the same time, it took several years. Jews have always moved around as they have been thrown out of places where their behaviour has let them down, so being sent East was nothing too onerous.

But the Nigger in the Wood Pile is that after the war the Russian system blocked all news and local info and any criticism of the 'state' from getting out. How people like the two posting here seem to think this was otherwise the case is beyond me. Russia was and still is a very tightly run and controlled state where lying and obfuscation plus creating myths and enemies is all part of the game. Just look at the Russian state today to see all the evidence you need to prove my point and yet we are talking about a period post war of Iron Curtain, Stalin, Breshnev etc.

Moving on the failing arguments of the believers has now spawned a new tactic;that is to say they have decided that the case for 'death camps' such as Auschwitz, Treblinka, Majdanek etc has failed so they now claim that the killing was more widespread and 'thousands of mass graves exist right across eastern Europe. Utter nonsense. These are the same hopeless individuals who think there were heroic jewish resistance fighters in WW2 but when the very same Yid Army chaps were caught and lined up by the side of some back street and shot they claim they were victims of the holocaust and it was a mass murder grave site!

Just to put this stupid claim that jews not where they were before the war = holocausted crap into perspective as someone has already said in this thread there were millions of people displaced at the end of WW2 in Europe including jews. General Patton was told to expect to house a million jews still in Germany and to kick German homeowners out of their own property to house these jews.

As an aside my dad was born in 1926 in Dublin, Ireland. His mother was American. She died in 1939 and the family decided to move first to Northern Ireland and then to England. They were no longer in their rented house in central Dublin after the war. There would be no record of where they went either. Does that mean they were killed by the Germans? Does it mean they all died from late onset Irish Famine syndrome? No it means they were all living in Birmingham save for my dad who was in the British army in Palestine getting shot at by the Yid Army of the Stern Gang...

The two proponents of stupidity and illogical rationale here need to grow a pair each and understand how the world worked and works. They have no case to claim millions of jews were deaded in the camps, none at all.

[Nessie]

You are deflecting when you claim I lack evidence. There is a ton of evidence that Jews were identified, registered, arrested and sent to camps and ghettos 1939-44. There are huge areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains at the AR camps and Chelmno, which corroborate witnesses to gassings, mass graves and pyres. Just because you find the way the pyres were set to be unbelievable, does not therefore mean they did not happen.

Nessie, you're sidestepping the core issue. No one disputes arrests or deportations; the contention is mass extermination. Your 'huge areas of disturbed ground' at AR camps and Chelmno don’t come close to the quantities needed for millions—excavations show remains in the low tens of thousands at best, explainable by disease or localized killings, not genocide.

That is your opinion. You assert it as if it is fact. When deniers claim there is a lack of grave space for over a million corpses at the camps, they make assumptions to minimise how many corpses could have fitted, ignoring decomposition and crushing under pressure, the lack of clothing, the smaller size of people and the lack of certainty over the actual sizes of the graves.

Fact is, those camps have the largest mass grave areas of any mass graves, from any large scale deaths, throughout history. There is evidence from eyewitnesses and documents, to prove how many arrived and were killed at the camps. That what has been found by archaeologists is not as much as you think it should be, is not evidence to prove no mass graves.

Witness accounts of gassings and pyres are riddled with inconsistencies...

You think that, but if you bothered to study witnesses and memory, you would see any inconsistencies are within what is to be expected and are explainable, such as hearsay compared to eyewitnesses. They are not inconsistent at all, when it comes to mass arrivals, killing inside chambers, mass graves and pyres. It is in the detail that they vary, such as what killed people inside the chambers and how big the graves were.

....and lack forensic corroboration at the claimed scale.

In your opinion. In my opinion, what archaeologists have found, is of a scale consistent with mass deaths.

'Unbelievable' isn't just my opinion; it's a logistical impossibility without evidence of fuel or mass grave capacity.

There is evidence of fuel. There is witness evidence to ordering and delivering of wood, the use of wood to start the pyres and the corpses being consumed by the fire, as seen by the pyre found at Ohrdruf. The archaeological and witness evidence is consistent with huge mass graves, larger than any others.

But that is exactly what you are trying to do, with your arguments about the physical impossibility of gassings, graves and cremations. Meanwhile, you deflect from your burden of proof, to evidence the gassings etc did not happen, using eyewitnesses, documents, physical and other evidence. You cannot do that, which is why you resort to argument.

Nice try, but the burden of proof is on you to prove extraordinary claims like industrial-scale gassings and cremations. Revisionists don’t need to 'prove a negative'; we highlight the glaring absence of evidence supporting your narrative. My arguments aren’t mere rhetoric—they’re grounded in the lack of physical traces, unfeasible logistics, and documented fabrications by post-war victors. You’re the one dodging by not providing concrete evidence matching your numbers.

When you make your claims, the burden of proof is on you. When you claim no mass graves, it is not up to me to disprove you, it is up to you to evidence no mass graves. You do that with witness who said there were no mass graves, and site surveys that found undisturbed ground. You cannot do that, so you shift the burden of proof.

I have provided concrete evidence to match the numbers, from Nazi documents recording how many went to the camps, to archaeological evidence of huge areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains.

To make up for your lack of evidence, you resort to lying and logically flawed arguments from incredulity.

If millions of Jews arrested by the Nazis, from Norway to Greece, Estonia to France, and sent to camps and ghettos 1939 to 1944, were not killed, then there must have been an enormous camp and ghetto system packed full of millions of Jews in 1944. Or, evidence the Nazis were also releasing millions of Jews during that period. Where is that evidence? Where are your eyewitnesses, in particular the Nazis responsible for the guarding, or releasing, so many Jews? Where are the documents recording such a huge undertaking?[...]

This is a false dichotomy. You assume 'not killed' means 'still in camps' or 'released en masse.'

What else is there?

Wartime chaos, forced labor migrations, and Soviet territorial control obscure population tracking.

Millions of Jews still in camps and ghettos in 1944, or being released, would leave a lot of evidence. Where is it?

The lack of Nazi documents showing 'release' doesn’t prove death..

I know that, better than you. You have zero evidence of the Nazis releasing Jews they had arrested and sent to camps and ghettos, 1939 to 1944.

—it reflects incomplete records amid war and post-war destruction by Allies and Soviets alike.

It is odd how so many records survive, recording arrests, transports to camps and ghettos, and the populations of those camps and ghettos, but zero records survive of mass releases!

You ignore that deportations often meant transit or labor, not extermination,

Lie. Those deportations and people surviving, are accompanied by documentary records. Living people leave evidence they are alive. You ignore that you are claiming that somehow, millions of Jews lived out the war, 1944-5, in camps and ghettos, or released back into the general population, without leaving any records at all.

... and that Soviet suppression of data post-1944 could hide survivors.

How could the Soviets suppress data of c34,000 Dutch Jews still alive in 1944, in camps, or being released, presumably to return to the Netherlands? Same with all the French, Italian, Greek, Belgian, Norwegian, German and Austrian Jews.

The onus isn’t on me to produce witnesses; it’s on you to show death at the scale you claim.

When you claim no mass murders, the onus is on you to produce witnesses from the camps to say what did happen.

You are dodging that the Nazis regarded the Jews as enemies, and they spent a lot of time and resources, utilising the cooperation of the majority of countries they occupied or aligned to, identifying, registering and arresting Jews. Those Jews were sent, in their millions, to camps and ghettos, 1939 to 1944.

If you are correct and millions of those arrested Jews were not gassed or shot, then, in 1944, they would still be in the camps and ghettos, or you should be able to produce evidence of the Nazis releasing them and where they went to.

Since you know you cannot produce evidence to meet your burden of proof, you come up with excuses as to why there is no evidence.

The evidence that a few specific camps were used to murder millions of Jews comes from eyewitnesses, documents, the physical remains at those places and the circumstantial evidence around their operation. There is also evidence of motive and opportunity. There is no chronological gap in the historical evidence. The majority of the evidence for mass killings, comes from German sources and you are lying that historians rely on inferences.

Eyewitnesses often contradict each other and reality—many accounts are demonstrably absurd or coerced post-war. Documents lack explicit extermination orders; they show deportation, not death. Physical remains, as noted, are orders of magnitude too small for 'millions.' Motive and opportunity aren’t proof of action, and claiming 'German sources' en masse without specifics is a bluff—most 'evidence' is Allied-interpreted or post-war testimony under duress. Historians absolutely infer death from absences, not hard forensics. Stop dodging and show the graves or ashes for millions.

You are dishonestly minimising the scale of evidence to prove mass killings, to defelct from your lack of evidence of millions of Jews still alive in 1944.

A movement that ends at those places. You then fail to evidence further movement. All that movement ends in 1944. The ghettos are now all closed. Where were all those millions of Jews you say had not been killed?

Again, you’re assuming 'end of movement records' means 'death.' Records stop due to war chaos, Soviet control, and destruction—not proof of gas chambers. Ghetto closures signal relocation or labor drafts, not genocide. I don’t need to pinpoint every Jew’s location in 1944; you need to prove they were killed at the scale you allege. Wartime displacement and Soviet obscurity easily account for 'missing' data. Show me the bodies or cremation logistics for millions—otherwise, this is just more baseless assumption.

Show me the bodies! Where is your evidence of millions of Jews still alive in 1944? If that had happened, there would be a huge number of Nazis whose job it would have been to organise and guard all of those people. Can you name the department and Nazi who was responsible for running all those camps and ghettos?

Every country, from Norway to France, to Greece and Estonia, admits to their varying roles in assisting the Nazis with the arrest, imprisonment and even killing of their Jewish citizens. You ignore that those countries accept some of that vilification themselves. It was not just the Nazis. Romania and Serbia were responsible for their own Holocausts. Latvia and Lithuania actively assisted the Nazis. Why do you ignore them?

I’m not ignoring anything. Countries admitting to arrests or localized killings doesn’t prove a coordinated genocide of millions via gas chambers or mass shootings.

Arrests were widespread and involved millions of Jews. What you call localised killings were widespread in Eastern Europe, in particular in the Baltic and Balkan countries and Romania, resulting in the deaths of c 2million Jews.

Localized atrocities, yes—industrial extermination, no.

It involved the entire of Nazi Europe, except Denmark and Finland. How did they get to be exempt? Only Denmark and Finland could evidence where their Jewish citizens were in 1944. Explain why that was.

Post-war political pressures and victor’s justice shaped these 'admissions,' often to align with Allied narratives for leniency or aid. The scale you claim still lacks physical evidence, no matter who ‘admits’ guilt under duress or political motive.

France was a victor, but they admit to their complicity and cooperation in the Holocaust. The Dutch have not re-written their history and they admit to having one of the highest death rates of their citizens, due to their high level of cooperation. The Latvians have had decades to re-write their history, since they gained their independence. But they still admit to joining with the Einsatzgruppen and shooting their Jewish citizens and that was not a Soviet hoax.

You have been shown the physical evidence of the gas chambers and mass killing sites, or what can be shown after Nazi attempts to destroy as much of that evidence as possible. Now, explain your lack of physical evidence of camps and ghettos in 1944, to accommodate millions of arrested Jews.

You’ve shown nothing conclusive—alleged gas chambers lack forensic traces consistent with mass killings (e.g., FeCN levels), and 'disturbed ground' at AR sites accounts for far fewer remains than claimed. 'Nazi destruction of evidence' is a convenient excuse, not proof. I don’t need to show camps for millions in 1944; wartime chaos and Soviet control explain missing data far better than unproven extermination. Your burden remains: produce verifiable physical evidence for anything-like-millions killed. Until then, it’s just hot air. I’m still waiting.

Until you can evidence millions of Jews alive in camps and ghettos in 1944, or they had been released and were back in the general population, then then evidence produced to prove mass gassings, shootings, graves and cremations stands. That, in your opinion, the evidence produced is insufficient, is just hot air.

[Nessie]

... there were millions of people displaced at the end of WW2 in Europe including jews...

https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/what-hap ... -world-war

"In Europe alone it is estimated as many as 65 million people were forced from their homes by the war including those used as slave labour by the Nazis, ex-Prisoners of War, and the millions of citizens whose homes had been bombed and shelled and who had fled advancing armies."

"There were many DPs from Eastern Europe who did not want to return to their homes now that the Soviet Union was occupying their countries, and many such as the hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees who did not want to return to a country that had forced them out in the first place."

Should that not be millions of Jews? Why did displaced persons agencies only report hundreds of thousands of Jews, out of the millions of displace people?

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/a ... ar-germany

"When the war ended there were approximately 11 million displaced persons (DPs) in Europe, eight million of which were located in Germany. They included about six million civilian volunteer and forced laborers [LINK Nazi Forced Labor Policy in Eastern Europe article], two million prisoners of war, and 700,000 surviving concentration camp prisoners."

"In early 1946, Jewish refugees represented less than 10 percent of the overall DP population."

There were only 700,000 people liberated from the concentration camps and no mention of any liberated ghettos. That is not consistent with millions of Jews surviving the war and being displaced persons.

[Keen]

Confusedjew:

When you get to the levels of 5 million or 6 million, it's just a statistic at that point. I don't believe those numbers are "exaggerated"

Based on my research so far, it seems like you could pretty easily defend 6 million in front of a reasonable audience.

I will answer any question you want regarding the statistics and demographics.

DEMOGRAPHIC Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

sociology : relating to the dynamic balance of a population especially with regard to density and capacity for expansion or decline

STATISTICS Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

1
: a branch of mathematics dealing with the collection, analysis, interpretation, and presentation of masses of numerical data
2
: a collection of quantitative data

There is plenty of physical evidence of the murders... Thousands of mass graves have been located and documented... Multiple forensic methods were used to confirm the existence of human remains... Archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls found mass burial pits, layers of human ash, and burnt human bones where the Nazis dug up mass graves in Treblinka. Other archaeological digs uncovered cremation layers, teeth, and bones in Belzec and Sobibor. There are even some photographs of mass graves from different camps.

Callafangers wrote: ↑Sat May 03, 2025 3:15 pm

Sturdy-Colls' supposed findings have been laughed out of town, even by Holocaust 'believers'. Nobody claims her findings were significant in identifying corpse material of any kind. You're just ignorant, here - this is not a matter of interpretation. Sturdy-Colls' investigation was an utter failure, from an 'exterminationist' standpoint.

CJ
This seems to be totally false to me based on what I've seen and her studies are highly respected for being both scientifically and ethically rigorous.

I'm just kinda fascinated by the fact that there are people that don't believe the Holocaust happened despite what I see as the massive abundance of research

Six million Jews from Europe disappeared from 1939 to 1945... The historical documentation confirms deportation to killing centers, not resettlement or migration.

It doesn't matter to me whether these people were electrocuted, shot, gassed, starved to death whatever. I want to figure out why they disappeared and how you might try to account for them.

ACCOUNT Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

verb

: to furnish a justifying analysis or explanation

The Nazis themselves kept detailed records of the number of people they transported to the camps. The train schedules, transport lists, and camp registration books, provide evidence of millions of Jews being sent to camps and list kept record of nationality, gender, and age.

5. You claim that no record shows Jews arriving at Treblinka II specifically.

Trains went from ghettos (Warsaw, Bialystok, Radom) to Treblinka II. That claim is demonstrably false because there are archives of train records (both arrivals and departures) from the Jewish council, Deutsche Reichsbahn train logs, and SS memos confirm deportations and arrivals.

CJ, it seems to me that you are asking how one might "account for 'missing' jews."

It appears to me that you believe that it is a well documented fact that a number of jews were sent to a place called Treblinka II and that they have already been "accounted" for.

Is my assumption correct?

CJ

I will answer any question you want regarding the statistics and demographics.

[Keen]

If you want to make the so-called revisionist really uncomfortable, concentrate on 1944. How was it faked across Europe, with the cooperation of so many countries, that millions had been arrested, imprisoned in camps and ghettos, and killed 1939-44?

Do you think you can make me feel uncomfortable Nessie?

If so, please tell me if it is known, with 100% certainty, that jews were sent to Treblinka II and killed - Yes. - or - No. - ??

[Keen]

There is a ton of evidence that Jews were identified, registered, arrested and sent to camps and ghettos 1939-44... There are huge areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains at the AR camps and Chelmno... The evidence that a few specific camps were used to murder millions of Jews comes from... the physical remains at those places... There is evidence of mass murder... You have been shown the physical evidence.

Nessie, this "tons" of "physical evidence" that you claim "has been shown," does it include any photographs of mass graves that contain the remains of at least 2 people?

[Keen]

Fact is, those camps have the largest mass grave areas of any mass graves, from any large scale deaths, throughout history... The archaeological and witness evidence is consistent with huge mass graves, larger than any others.

Nessie, can you show us a "huge mass grave" that is larger than this:



Yes. - or - No. - ??

[Keen]

When you make your claims, the burden of proof is on you. When you claim no mass graves, it is not up to me to disprove you, it is up to you to evidence no mass graves.

Nessie,

Do you deny that the convergence of the lack of physical evidence method proves that there are no "huge mass graves" at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor or Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

VI - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Blacks Law Dictionary defines - Burden of Proof - as: “The necessity or duty of affirmatively proving a fact or facts in dispute on an issue raised between the parties in a cause.” - ??

VII - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; The maxims of law found in Bouvier's Law Dictionary include: “The claimant is always bound to prove: the burden of proof lies on him.” - and - “The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms, not he who denies.” - ??

[HansHill]

Ok - attempting to regain control of this unwieldy thread. Confused Jew, i appreciate you taking the advice of focusing on one area and drilling into it. You have chosen to start at the end, with where the Jews all ended up after the war, which is fair enough, however it will be tempting for you to "beg the question" so to speak, since you are starting at the end and I assume you still believe they were all gassed or otherwise exterminated. A note on that below.

I've pulled some resources here for you to explore, to give you a crash course in the "resettlement issue" to show you just how messy starting at the end is. I will trust you are acting in good faith for now, and I've whittled this down to it's basics, but will still require time investment on your side.

https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/plan- ... ement/799/

This can serve as a primer on just the extent that the NSDAP were planning logistically and to expend resources on the Jewish Question. The author Germar Rudolf, in turn links to more detailed articles at the end of the page, such as:

https://codoh.com/library/document/evid ... st-part-1/
https://codoh.com/library/document/evid ... st-part-2/
https://codoh.com/library/document/evid ... st-part-3/

Like i said above, without knowing this stuff (or at least being vaguely familiar with it), and without having first ruled out mass murder by Zyklon pellets or exhaust fumes, its a logical fallacy (begging the question, or circular reasoning) to simply assume they were gassed (!)

Secondly, our good friend Nessie has made some bizarre comments here about the year 1944 claiming that its a sort of taboo for revisionists (?), which is pitifully incorrect. There is an entire book written about transports of Jews in the year 1944 alone (!) by famous revisionist Carlo Mattogno that you can get for free at the link below. He basically concludes that extermination is unsupported given everything we know about what was going on at the time:

https://archive.org/details/Politics-of ... print-2024

Clearly I cannot summarise an entire book for you in one quick post, and it's been some months since I've been in the details of this book, so again you'll be expected to invest some time here, and the amount of time will be dependent on how interested you actually are, that's your business.

Thirdly, it's in poor taste to flippantly ask strangers on the internet to find your "long lost cousins". We have no idea who you, or your cousins are / were. Your credibility here is see-sawing back and forth, and quips like that don't do you any favors.

[Joe Splink]

I'm sorry I got to this so late, but I have given a lot of thought to the subject. And, I do think CODOH should have a web page that answers the OP as concisely as possible. And I do know of one such website, holohoax101.com. The OP asked for 3 reasons, and the first page of the website list 7, and there are more pages.

The 1st 3 reasons we know it's a hoax - from the site.

#1 - The Jews floated the first holohoax in a 1905 article in the NYT, and Heddesheimer's book gives the details on numerous holohoax claims during WW ONE.


#2 - The hoax gas chamber at Auschwitz with its wooden door with a large plate glass window.

That is, the holohoax in not just false, it is prima facie preposterous. I remember when I was learning about the hoax, this was my touchstone. This preposterous 'gas chamber has been shown to millions of people who actually 'believed' it. BTW - the real gas chambers at Auschwtieez - read the caption -

#3 - this clinches it - the photos/film footage shown of holohoax victims was all taken after the war had ended and shows victims of typhus at Belsen and allied bombing at Nordhausen.

You can document the Belsen pics with a British documentary Memory of the Camps hidden for 50 years but now on PBS. The provenance of the Nordhausen bombing pics are documented in E. Hunt's Questioning the Holocaust.

That should do it ... but for good measure -

#4 - the documents - this really clinches it - the Nazis kept meticulous records at Auschwitz including daily records of who died, cause of death, religion, etc., you can read about them here - auschwitz.org/en/museum/about-the-available-data/death-records/sterbebucher. The Soviets captured the records and hid them till 1990. More Roman Catholics died at Auschwitz than Jews ...


#5 - the testimony - examples of the prima facie preposterous testimony of hoax survivor's 'testimony' is given on the site. The testimony is gratuitously absurd .... the best examples are in E. Wielsel's 'Night' - "Babies were tossed into the air as used as targets for machine guns", and while the Nazis were supposedly killing 10,000 Jews PER DAY at Auschwitz when Wiesel was a prisoner he doesn't mention gas chambers but says the Nazis killed the Jews by tossing them alive into burning pits, one for adults, one for children! Not only preposterous, but it flatly contradicts the standard narrative, and this is the most wildly destributed book on the hoax, taught in all our schools. This sort of forceful over the top absurd lying is a form of mind control, as per Orwell.

#6 - Nuremberg - the testimony of Kaltebrunner, also an interview with Himmler

#7 - Hollywood's involvement - Billy Wilder contributed to the hoax 'documentary' shown at Nuremberg, Hitchcock directed the British documentary 'Memory of the Camps'

The rest of the site has many more proofs of the hoax. I do believe CODOH should have a similar site as a kind of reference for questions just like that of the OP.

[Archie]

I don't like numbers that much tbh but I am good with them when I need to be.

Let's forget about the proof for final solution or gas chambers for now, we can come back to that. What do you mean by the Final Solution anyway?

Here's what I mean by proof of the final solution. The story is that Hitler ordered all or virtually all of the Jews to be executed. If that's the case, there should be abundant documentation for such a program, including the initial decision, the discussion of the means by which this would be accomplished, and the countless lower-level orders that would be needed to bring it about operationally (not to mention the ongoing management of such a project). There should be evidence of this at high, mid, and low levels. Likewise for the "gas chambers." The mainstream admits that there is no Hitler order and the literature can't even agree on when such an order might have been given. Another excuse they have is that the extermination program was super secretive (more secret than vital military secrets) and that much of it was improvised. I don't buy it.

For me, the story already falls apart when we fact check the core extermination claims with documentary and physical evidence. It's at this point that Holocaust defenders, after losing on these points, will then try to fall back on the "missing Jews" argument. This to me is suspicious because they are essentially just saying that revisionists must 100% conclusively prove survival or we have to assume Hitler gassed them (which is essentially just an argument from ignorance). They are just trying to bank on such documentation being unavailable.

If you are a numbers guy, let's dive into where and why you think the numbers are wrong. Estimates always involve uncertainty but he was extremely careful to err on the side of caution for practical purposes.

I am many things, but one of things is that I'm a financier so I am quite good with forecasts, estimates, statistics etc. So here are my two main questions.

1. If the number of missing Jews was less than 5.1m, why do you think that?

2. How do you account for the number of missing Jews after the war since the possibility of emigration doesn't seem to come remotely close?

I do admit it is still theoretically possible, but I personally estimate that chance to be practically negligible and I am a former betting professional.

I don't claim to have encyclopedic knowledge of the Holocaust but I do have access to people and machines with it so I'm relying on them for assistance. Some may think that's cheating, but in the pursuit of truth, nothing matters except the truth.

Here are a few points.

1) Jews present special and unique statistical difficulties. They are a small minority spread out among larger populations. They can blend in with Caucasian Gentiles when it suits them. There is no consistent definition of "Jew" (active in the religion, born into the religion, ancestry, etc). They are not censused in the USA and many other countries. They have lobbied not to have religion included in the US census, and likewise have lobbied not to be tracked in migration statistics.

2) For many relevant territories, for these population statistics we are reliant on Communist governments or Jews themselves. In Western Europe, at the end of the war there were still Jews in Britain. There were still Jews in France. There were still like 4,000 Jews living in Berlin. Just in the American zone of Germany there were a good number of Jews (at least 100,000 at a given time).

Just to give you a sense of the quagmire that is Jewish population statistics,

For the pre-war population, the commonly cited figure nowadays is 16.7M. This ultimately comes from Arthur Ruppin's 1939 book. But the AJC's prewar was publishing figures more in the range of 15.3-15.8M. If the lower figures are right, then net population change would be <5M, and not all of these could be assumed to have been murdered by Hitler. Korherr in his famous report comments that prewar estimates vary from 15-18M, with some estimates of around 20M. The German government, perhaps using an expansive definition, estimated 17M in 1937.

For the prewar population in Europe, Hilberg estimated somewhere around 9.5M. Korherr says around 10M. The Wannsee conference minutes claim over 11M.

If you go back further the numbers are even more varied. Encyclopedia Britannica estimated a global Jewish population of 6.2M in 1881, 11.5M in 1911, and 14.9M in 1929. Those numbers don't really make sense as they imply very high fertility rates.

British journalist and early revisionist Douglas Reed has an interesting discussion in ones of his books on how contradictory these figures are. He quotes this interesting bit from the Encyclopedia Britannica Book of Year for 1942 where Dr. Hans Kohn remarked the following:

In view of the fact that in several of the countries where the largest number of Jews were living in 1941 the census did not contain any questions regarding religion … the exact number of Jews in the world in 1941 could not be ascertained. The definition of persons falling under the classification of ‘Jewish race’ is in no way agreed upon … In countries where the census included questions of religious origins, even this religious criterion of Jewish faith is difficult to define exactly.

Thus the assumption which generally varied around the figure of 16 million cannot claim any foundation on exact figures. To this uncertainty about the number of Jews in the world was added in recent years a growing uncertainty about their numerical distribution in the different countries and continents. Probably more than 6,000,000 Jews lived in Poland and the U.S.S.R.

As far as postwar populations, given the chaos in 1945, I think we have every reason to assume that the 1945 numbers would be the least reliable of all. Yet your case requires us to put the most faith in those 1945 numbers.

Again, I will quote for you more from Reitlinger's appendix.

Of the country-level estimates, he says: "Some of them appear to me sound, even over-cautious, others are demonstrably ill-founded."

"This difference of a million and a half [i.e, between his estimates and the classic six million number] is largely to be traced to the highly conjectural estimates of the losses in territory, at present controlled by the Soviet Union, and in Rumania, where figures have been adduced that have no relationship with the facts as known."

Then refers to "estimates which are based solely on alleged pre-war and post-war population returns, the latter being reached by deducting from the former the figure it is desired to prove."

This is exactly the sort of "anchoring" I was referring to.

"Already before the war there were widely differing estimates of the Jewish populations of Russia, Poland, Hungary, Rumania, and the Balkans, although in most of these countries there was a separate civil registry for Jews. Even in Western Europe, where the use of statistics was less open to reproach, the estimates of Jewish populations are neither more consistent nor more reliable. Since the war few European governments have conducted any census of which detailed figures are available. In the case of Russia particularly, to which the largest group of Jews escaped, there is no present basis for assessing the number of survivors."

After noting the many contradictory estimates for Russia, "Thus, there is a whole million difference between the highest and lowest of these estimates, none of which are realistic."

I mean, if Jewish experts themselves admit that these numbers aren't reliable, I'm going to take them at their word on that. And I'm not going to accept statistical estimates of "missing Jews" as proof of six million murders.

[Keen]

I'm sorry I got to this so late, but I have given a lot of thought to the subject. And, I do think CODOH should have a web page that answers the OP as concisely as possible. And I do know of one such website, holohoax101.com. The OP asked for 3 reasons, and the first page of the website list 7, and there are more pages... The rest of the site has many more proofs of the hoax. I do believe CODOH should have a similar site as a kind of reference for questions just like that of the OP.

Holohoax 101 - The Fundamentals of the Holocaust Hoax

https://www.holocaust101.com/

Synopsis:

Six million Jews killed in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms in the best documented genocide in world history, and yet there are no bodies, no murder weapons, i.e. gas chambers disguised as shower rooms, and no documents.

Great site. I assume when they say "there are no bodies" they also mean that there are no human remains in "huge mass graves"?

[Joe Splink]

There are no bodies in huge mass graves - the US sent a team of forensic pathologists into the camps right after the war ended and they exhumed bodies, etc., never found a gassing victim. I'[m surprised there isn't an entry for them on the site

https://www.amazon.com/Crime-Doctor-Cha ... 0916076202

E. Hunt has a great vid on the machinations of the Jews to produce some bodies, the Treblinka Archeology Hoax -
...https://old.bitchute.com/video/mnjtsCQnTHlK/

And of course Paul Blobel confessed to burning the bodies, Action 1005, you can read his prima facie preposterous confession here http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... obel1.html He uncovered the bodies, poured on some gasoline, and lit the fire. That's it. Try it, I did ... with a cut up chicken from the grocery in an empty charcoal pit, it burned for about 30 minutes, barely seared the chicken.

[Keen]

There are no bodies in huge mass graves - the US sent a team of forensic pathologists into the camps right after the war ended and they exhumed bodies, etc., never found a gassing victim.

Did the US send a team of forensic pathologists to Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor or Treblinka II?