Why Do you Guys Think the Holocaust is Fake?

[Keen]

Didn't you just say evidence of absence is not proof of absence?

So you're admitting that you can't prove that your relatives disappeared during the holohoax - correct?

Anything is possible. Some things are just way more unlikely than others. That's why I said you can't know anything with 100% certainty. That's the actual truth.

So you admit that you can't prove that your relatives died during the holocaust.

And you admit that you can't prove that there were homocidal gassings during the holocaust.

And you admit that you can't prove the existence of "huge mass gravs."

Or that there even was a holocaust.

Thanks - that was big of you.

[ConfusedJew]

So you admit that you can't prove that your relatives died during the holocaust.

And you admit that you can't prove that there were homocidal gassings during the holocaust.

And you admit that you can't prove the existence of "huge mass gravs."

Or that there even was a holocaust.

Thanks - that was big of you.

You can't "prove" anything except for math because that's something that humans invented. You can show that something is either extremely likely or unlikely. That can definitely be done with the Holocaust. I can't prove that I'm not speaking to a a Martian on the other side of this computer. But it's extremely unlikely.

Look up the word epistemology.

Try to prove that everything outside of your head is objectively real and not just a hallucination. That's harder to demonstrate than the existence of the Holocaust.

Is that big of me? No, it's just intellectually honest. Can you prove to me that you are a human? There's a complete lack of physical evidence. Even if you send me a picture of a human, how do I know that isn't just generated by AI? These are serious questions to make you think about what proof actually is.

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Proving things with math isn't something you want to try here, trust me, I've crunched some of the numbers my self and they don't add up.

For example, even with a death rate of 1,100,000 roughly at Auschwitz, it is physically impossible to cremate the bodies in the crematoria. If you assume 100% operation for 100% of the available days 100% of the time, you can just get it done. This fails to account for the periodic necessary maintenance, like replacing the refractory brick and we haven't even talked about the fuel requirement or much of anything else.

If you are going to try to hand wave that away with 'outdoor pyres', you are going to run in to issues with extant aerial reconnaissance photographs and other evidence that doesn't support that thesis.

Now, I understand that you believe in 'the holocaust'. I understand that you think not believing in 'the holocaust' is repugnant and that only counter semites don't believe in the holocaust because of the 'overwhelming evidence'.

Something curious I've noticed about the evidence is that it is schrodinger's evidence. It is both extant and complete and also completely destroyed by the nazis, it just depends on if you are asking to see it or not.

When we get to talking about cohorts of missing persons, I think you will begin to see where this starts to break down.

I really do hope you are in ernest and that you will actually look at the evidence.

Have you taken any time to read Professor Dalton's book, 'Debating the Holocaust'? You had asked me to link you a pdf copy and I almost instantly obliged.

[Nessie]

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Well said Eye of Zyclone you nailed it perfectly. I would add to this that when these people won't accept the term 'Revisionist' but want us to be called 'Deniers' they do this deliberately. We do not deny a lot of what is claimed about jewish treatment 1933 onwards in Germany but as you say the hard irrefutable evidence for mass murder and corpse disposal etc is simply not there. If it were they wouldn't have to call us 'deniers' at all because there would be little to deny or question.

Holocaust deniers are called that, because they deny major parts of the history of the Jews arrested by the Nazis during WWII, the gassings, mass graves and cremations. Holocaust revisionists are not really revisionists, since they cannot agree on, let alone produce a revised history chronologically charting what happened to the arrested Jews, during WWII.

We are not an organised group, we are individuals capable of individual thinking and conclusions whereas you and the islamics of this world are hidebound by the conventions and controls of your religions. Free thought and interpretation are banned in your world.

It shows that historians are guided by the evidence and revisionists are not.

We don't believe the claims of gassings, mass graves and cremations because they didn't happen mate. If you are too dense to use what brain cells you are in possession of that's your problem and not ours.

You have used another logical fallacy, circular reasoning, there. Your inability to think logically and lack of belief in evidence, is why you have fallen for the Holocaust denial hoax.

[Nessie]

Proving things with math isn't something you want to try here, trust me, I've crunched some of the numbers my self and they don't add up.

For example, even with a death rate of 1,100,000 roughly at Auschwitz, it is physically impossible to cremate the bodies in the crematoria. If you assume 100% operation for 100% of the available days 100% of the time, you can just get it done. This fails to account for the periodic necessary maintenance, like replacing the refractory brick and we haven't even talked about the fuel requirement or much of anything else.

Please explain the logic behind your argument.

If you are going to try to hand wave that away with 'outdoor pyres', you are going to run in to issues with extant aerial reconnaissance photographs and other evidence that doesn't support that thesis.

The aerial photos of smoke corroborate ground photos of pyres and witnesses to pyres.

Now, I understand that you believe in 'the holocaust'. I understand that you think not believing in 'the holocaust' is repugnant and that only counter semites don't believe in the holocaust because of the 'overwhelming evidence'.

Something curious I've noticed about the evidence is that it is schrodinger's evidence. It is both extant and complete and also completely destroyed by the nazis, it just depends on if you are asking to see it or not.

That is a revisionist misrepresentation. The historical position is that despite Nazi attempts to destroy evidence, sufficient survived to prove mass murders.

When we get to talking about cohorts of missing persons, I think you will begin to see where this starts to break down.

I really do hope you are in ernest and that you will actually look at the evidence.

Have you taken any time to read Professor Dalton's book, 'Debating the Holocaust'? You had asked me to link you a pdf copy and I almost instantly obliged.

The revisionist failure to evidence what did happen inside the AR camps, Chelmno and A-B Kremas and their inability to prove millions of Jews arrested by the Nazis surviving the war, means they are not really revisionists and they fail at the most basic task of any investigation.

[borjastick]

What we have seen here in nearly 20 pages of chit chat is Confused Jew likes to talk, likes to write lots and in all his productivity has yet to make one evidence based statement in support of his beloved holocaust.

Yesterday to me talked of his dead relatives who were killed in the holocaust. When pressed on the matter he said he has been to a couple of camps, knows they were missing and that Yad Vashem has some records which shows dead jews. Unless I misread nothing he said was specific to his missing relatives and we know the way the jews calculated the holocaust victims was based on the 'Were there, not there' routine so an assumption of death by holocaust is made. Proof is not required for these people.

The jews need the holocaust to be true. That's what this all boils down to.

As for me I'm still looking for some proof of gas chambers, mass murder and millions of dead jews. 80 years after the end of the war and we're still searching...

[Nessie]

What we have seen here in nearly 20 pages of chit chat is Confused Jew likes to talk, likes to write lots and in all his productivity has yet to make one evidence based statement in support of his beloved holocaust.

Yesterday to me talked of his dead relatives who were killed in the holocaust. When pressed on the matter he said he has been to a couple of camps, knows they were missing and that Yad Vashem has some records which shows dead jews. Unless I misread nothing he said was specific to his missing relatives and we know the way the jews calculated the holocaust victims was based on the 'Were there, not there' routine so an assumption of death by holocaust is made. Proof is not required for these people.

The jews need the holocaust to be true. That's what this all boils down to.

As for me I'm still looking for some proof of gas chambers, mass murder and millions of dead jews. 80 years after the end of the war and we're still searching...

Evidence to prove gas chambers and millions killed here;

https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=32920
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... acbdbc0fb7
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=32918
https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ce-on.html

You are pretending there is no evidence, to deflect from your inability to evidence what did happen and millions of arrested Jews still alive in 1945.

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