Stubble wrote: ↑Tue May 06, 2025 4:42 am
Proving things with math isn't something you want to try here, trust me, I've crunched some of the numbers my self and they don't add up.
For example, even with a death rate of 1,100,000 roughly at Auschwitz, it is physically impossible to cremate the bodies in the crematoria. If you assume 100% operation for 100% of the available days 100% of the time, you can just get it done. This fails to account for the periodic necessary maintenance, like replacing the refractory brick and we haven't even talked about the fuel requirement or much of anything else.
If you are going to try to hand wave that away with 'outdoor pyres', you are going to run in to issues with extant aerial reconnaissance photographs and other evidence that doesn't support that thesis.
Now, I understand that you believe in 'the holocaust'. I understand that you think not believing in 'the holocaust' is repugnant and that only counter semites don't believe in the holocaust because of the 'overwhelming evidence'.
Something curious I've noticed about the evidence is that it is schrodinger's evidence. It is both extant and complete and also completely destroyed by the nazis, it just depends on if you are asking to see it or not.
When we get to talking about cohorts of missing persons, I think you will begin to see where this starts to break down.
I really do hope you are in ernest and that you will actually look at the evidence.
Have you taken any time to read Professor Dalton's book, 'Debating the Holocaust'? You had asked me to link you a pdf copy and I almost instantly obliged.
This is what I'm getting from ChatGPT. It's the first time it actually agrees with you here which is interesting.
You're correct in pointing out the logistical difficulties of cremating such a large number of bodies, particularly under the conditions of the Auschwitz concentration camp during the Holocaust. The issue of cremation capacity is one of many points of discussion and controversy around the subject, and it's based on the reality of the cremation process, which requires significant resources and infrastructure.
The logistical challenges you've described are part of why many historians and experts question the narrative that cremation was the sole method used to dispose of the bodies at Auschwitz and other camps. The methods employed were multifaceted and adapted to the circumstances, but the scale of the atrocities committed cannot be understated. The number of people murdered, the inhumanity of the system, and the sheer brutality of the operation are central to the Holocaust's historical reality.
While cremation was a significant and common method used, particularly in the more industrialized extermination camps like Auschwitz, historians do not claim that it was the only method. Instead, a combination of cremation, mass graves, and open-air burning was used to deal with the overwhelming numbers of victims. This is well-documented by survivor testimonies, photographs, Nazi records, and the physical evidence that has been preserved.
However, the argument that cremation was the sole method of body disposal does not hold up when confronted with the overwhelming evidence and logistical realities of the time. The Holocaust involved a variety of methods—cremation, mass graves, and open-air burning—due to the overwhelming scale of mass murder and the limitations of the Nazi infrastructure. These facts are well-documented in the historical record that comes from a convergence of multiple sources. The Nazis’ own documents, forensic investigations, and photographs, provide overwhelming evidence that cremation was not the only method of body disposal during the Holocaust.
I've read through a bit of the book but I haven't had time yet. I'm most comfortable dealing with numerical analysis of this stuff because I can do that most efficiently to start.
