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Stubble wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 2:24 am Bombsaway, where did the primary burial before exhumation and open air cremation occur? Seriously, point to it, on the map.

The alleged bodies don't fit as a liquid...

If you are going to tell me the nazis buried, then dug up and cremated hundreds of thousands of people, you need to be able to show me where.

I'll even grant all disturbed earth on the bombing range as burial space. I won't quibble.

Where were these people buried?

Meanwhile there was an area the size of 5 american football fields covered in crushed bones mixed with sand. Do you have an explanation for this?

Stubble wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 3:43 am

Meanwhile there was an area the size of 5 american football fields covered in crushed bones mixed with sand. Do you have an explanation for this?

This question?

Dubious sources. The claim comes from dubious sources.

Stubble wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 6:33 am That's a bit of indirect and meandering talk. Bombsaway, seems you want to take the thread for a stroll.

Start a new one on the Polish commission I guess, this here feller you want to talk about too i suppose.

In the meantime, how's about you point on the map where them bodies was first buried.

We ain't got to talk none 'bout that weather, we ain't got to talk 'bout fuel, nothin'. You just show me where you bury twice the population of liverpool on that there patch of dirt.

joshk246 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 9:30 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:53 pm ....

I am happy to be that, as it means I follow what is evidenced to have happened, unlike you.



By 1945, grave robbing had further disturbed the site;

smh... how many times do we have to keep going back over this, those graves they robbed were not at TII they were in a forest near TI.

Łukaszkiewicz on the TII findings:
“During the work on the terrain, I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time. The ground of the camp was ploughed and sown. Ukrainians were settled there; they fled before the arrival of the Red Army (witnesses Kucharek and Lopuszyński).”

The surveyor Trautsolt drew a map of the area of Treblinka I, where he indicated the exact position of the graves.
<see below>

Stubble wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 2:24 am ...
If you are going to tell me the nazis buried, then dug up and cremated hundreds of thousands of people, you need to be able to show me where.

I'll even grant all disturbed earth on the bombing range as burial space. I won't quibble.

Where were these people buried?

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:29 am

joshk246 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 9:30 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 6:53 pm ....

I am happy to be that, as it means I follow what is evidenced to have happened, unlike you.



By 1945, grave robbing had further disturbed the site;

smh... how many times do we have to keep going back over this, those graves they robbed were not at TII they were in a forest near TI.

No the grave robbing took place at TII;

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts ... -gold-rush

"The writer Rachela Auerbach visited Treblinka on Nov. 7, 1945, as part of an official delegation organized by the Main Commission for the Investigation of Hitlerite Crimes. She called one of the chapters of a small book she subsequently wrote about the Treblinka extermination camp “The Polish Colorado or About the Gold Rush in Treblinka.” She also described how plunderers with shovels were everywhere. “They dig, they search, pulling out bones and body parts. Maybe something could still be found,” she writes, “maybe a golden tooth?”"

Łukaszkiewicz on the TII findings:
“During the work on the terrain, I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time. The ground of the camp was ploughed and sown. Ukrainians were settled there; they fled before the arrival of the Red Army (witnesses Kucharek and Lopuszyński).”

Quote mining is a logical fallacy. You ignore all the cremated remains he found.

The surveyor Trautsolt drew a map of the area of Treblinka I, where he indicated the exact position of the graves.
<see below>

That is TI, not TII. "Karny oboz pracy Treblinka I", means penal labour camp Treblinka I. "I osrodek zaglady Treblinka II" means and extermination centre Treblinka II.

Quote mining is a logical fallacy. You ignore all the cremated remains he found.

That is TI, not TII. "Karny oboz pracy Treblinka I", means penal labour camp Treblinka I. "I osrodek zaglady Treblinka II" means and extermination centre Treblinka II.

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:16 am

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:29 am

joshk246 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 04, 2025 9:30 pm

smh... how many times do we have to keep going back over this, those graves they robbed were not at TII they were in a forest near TI.

No the grave robbing took place at TII;

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts ... -gold-rush

"The writer Rachela Auerbach visited Treblinka on Nov. 7, 1945, as part of an official delegation organized by the Main Commission for the Investigation of Hitlerite Crimes. She called one of the chapters of a small book she subsequently wrote about the Treblinka extermination camp “The Polish Colorado or About the Gold Rush in Treblinka.” She also described how plunderers with shovels were everywhere. “They dig, they search, pulling out bones and body parts. Maybe something could still be found,” she writes, “maybe a golden tooth?”"

Łukaszkiewicz on the TII findings:
“During the work on the terrain, I found no mass graves, which, in connection with the statements by the witnesses Romanowski and Wiernik, leads to the conclusion that nearly all of the bodies of the victims were burned, all the more so since the camp was liquidated early and the murderers had much time. The ground of the camp was ploughed and sown. Ukrainians were settled there; they fled before the arrival of the Red Army (witnesses Kucharek and Lopuszyński).”

Quote mining is a logical fallacy. You ignore all the cremated remains he found.

The surveyor Trautsolt drew a map of the area of Treblinka I, where he indicated the exact position of the graves.
<see below>

That is TI, not TII. "Karny oboz pracy Treblinka I", means penal labour camp Treblinka I. "I osrodek zaglady Treblinka II" means and extermination centre Treblinka II.

Quote mining is a logical fallacy. You ignore all the cremated remains he found.

I am not ignoring that at all, I already mentioned it about 10 posts ago, if you go back you’ll see… I don’t want to keep going around in circles…

That is TI, not TII. "Karny oboz pracy Treblinka I", means penal labour camp Treblinka I. "I osrodek zaglady Treblinka II" means and extermination centre Treblinka II.

I know where it is and what it translates too, are you now conceding that the desecrated graves were found near TI, and not inside T2, as the surveyors document confirms?

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 9:19 am

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 8:16 am

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:29 am

No the grave robbing took place at TII;

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts ... -gold-rush

"The writer Rachela Auerbach visited Treblinka on Nov. 7, 1945, as part of an official delegation organized by the Main Commission for the Investigation of Hitlerite Crimes. She called one of the chapters of a small book she subsequently wrote about the Treblinka extermination camp “The Polish Colorado or About the Gold Rush in Treblinka.” She also described how plunderers with shovels were everywhere. “They dig, they search, pulling out bones and body parts. Maybe something could still be found,” she writes, “maybe a golden tooth?”"



Quote mining is a logical fallacy. You ignore all the cremated remains he found.



That is TI, not TII. "Karny oboz pracy Treblinka I", means penal labour camp Treblinka I. "I osrodek zaglady Treblinka II" means and extermination centre Treblinka II.

Quote mining is a logical fallacy. You ignore all the cremated remains he found.

I am not ignoring that at all, I already mentioned it about 10 posts ago, if you go back you’ll see… I don’t want to keep going around in circles…

You quote mine the phrase, there were no mass graves, to suggest little to no human remains were found at the TII camp. Instead, the Poles, in 1945, found a lot of cremated human remains, including one area of 2 hectares, which at one point was found to be 7m deep, containing cremated human remains, mixed in the with the ground.

That perfectly fits with what witnesses said about exhumations, cremations and mixing remains back into the ground and the history of grave robbing and the Soviet use of explosives, further mixing the ground up.

That is TI, not TII. "Karny oboz pracy Treblinka I", means penal labour camp Treblinka I. "I osrodek zaglady Treblinka II" means and extermination centre Treblinka II.

I know where it is and what it translates too, are you now conceding that the desecrated graves were found near TI, and not inside T2, as the surveyors document confirms?

No. I have shown you witness and pictorial evidence of grave robbing at TII. You suggest that the graves near to TI were the ones grave robbed, and they may have been, but the main site for grave robbing, was inside TII.

You suggest that the graves near to TI were the ones grave robbed, and they may have been, but the main site for grave robbing, was inside TII.

Instead, the Poles, in 1945, found a lot of cremated human remains, including one area of 2 hectares, which at one point was found to be 7m deep, containing cremated human remains, mixed in the with the ground

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:29 am .....

Łukaszkiewicz says they were desecrated, indicating they were robbed yes.
“Due to the destruction of the graves, it is not possible to count the bodies which have been there."

So where is the surveyors reporting showing the graves that were robbed from TII? Like the report I sent which showed the ones near TI.

Instead, the Poles, in 1945, found a lot of cremated human remains, including one area of 2 hectares, which at one point was found to be 7m deep, containing cremated human remains, mixed in the with the ground

They dug pits, and found nothing to suggest 700,000 people were cremated.

November 11, 1945
"A series of test excavations was performed at the place where the [gas] chambers had to have been located, in order to find their foundation walls if possible. Pits 10 - 15 meters in length and 1.5 meters deep were dug, uncovering undisturbed layers of earth. The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments attest to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters – its walls give recognizable evidence of the presence of a large quantity of ashes as well as human remains – was further excavated in order to discover the depth of the pit in this part of the camp. Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, still partially in a state of decomposition. The soil consists of ashes interspersed with sand, and is of a dark gray colour granulous in form. During the excavations, the soil gave off an intense odor of burning and decay. At a depth of 7.5 meters the bottom was reached, which consisted of layers of unmixed sand. At this point the digging was stopped."

Łukaszkiewicz didn't find a SINGLE complete body, only skulls and still decomposing parts, which could've been from anywhere around TI and TII, and/or could have been the typhus victims of TI during the end of 1943.
If they were from exhumed from TII, one would have to assume that all other bones magically disappeared.

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:57 am

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:29 am .....

Łukaszkiewicz says they were desecrated, indicating they were robbed yes.
“Due to the destruction of the graves, it is not possible to count the bodies which have been there."

So where is the surveyors reporting showing the graves that were robbed from TII? Like the report I sent which showed the ones near TI.

Link to translations of parts of Lukaszkiewicz report here;

https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/treblinka/

Chapter III, on the Soviet and Polish investigations.

Instead, the Poles, in 1945, found a lot of cremated human remains, including one area of 2 hectares, which at one point was found to be 7m deep, containing cremated human remains, mixed in the with the ground

They dug pits, and found nothing to suggest 700,000 people were cremated.

You say that and then you quote them finding large quantities of human remains! There is a total disconnect between what you say and what the report states.

November 11, 1945
"A series of test excavations was performed at the place where the [gas] chambers had to have been located, in order to find their foundation walls if possible. Pits 10 - 15 meters in length and 1.5 meters deep were dug, uncovering undisturbed layers of earth. The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments attest to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters – its walls give recognizable evidence of the presence of a large quantity of ashes as well as human remains – was further excavated in order to discover the depth of the pit in this part of the camp. Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, still partially in a state of decomposition. The soil consists of ashes interspersed with sand, and is of a dark gray colour granulous in form. During the excavations, the soil gave off an intense odor of burning and decay. At a depth of 7.5 meters the bottom was reached, which consisted of layers of unmixed sand. At this point the digging was stopped."

Łukaszkiewicz didn't find a SINGLE complete body, only skulls and still decomposing parts, which could've been from anywhere around TI and TII, and/or could have been the typhus victims of TI during the end of 1943.
If they were from exhumed from TII, one would have to assume that all other bones magically disappeared.

Mattogno translations of the 1945 Polish report on TII;

"With the assistance of an expert surveyor and witnesses, I made an exact
inspection of the terrain. According to the measurements, the area of the
camp is approximately 13.45 hectares and had the shape of an irregular
quadrilateral. No remnants of facilities of the former death camp exist any
longer."

"But the physical evidence was not limited to objects. As we moved farther
into the grounds, we walked over a field which was sown with human
bones.
The bombs had revealed the contents of the desecrated soil. Leg bones,
ribs, pieces of the spine, skulls big and small, short and long, round and
flat."

"The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments at-
test to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at
maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters – its walls
give recognizable evidence of the presence of a large quantity of ashes as
well as human remains – was further excavated in order to discover the
depth of the pit in this part of the camp. Numerous human remains were
found by these excavations, still partially in a state of decomposition."

"In the northwestern section
of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of
ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often
still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposi-
tion. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert
in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any
doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examina-
tion of human skulls could discover no trace of wounding. At a distance of
some 100 m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay"

Mattogno goes on to state;

"On August 9 and 10, 1946, Łukaszkiewicz, along with the surveyor Trautsolt
and the court physician Wakulicz, searched for mass graves in the area of the
camp Treblinka I. In the forest by the village of Maliszewa, about 500 m south
of the camp, a total of 41 mass graves were found, of which 40 had been dese-
crated; many bodies were strewn around them. One grave was only partially
violated, and from it 10 corpses were able to be recovered"

So, grave robbing at both sites.

So, grave robbing at both sites.

You say that and then you quote them finding large quantities of human remains! There is a total disconnect between what you say and what the report states

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:12 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:57 am

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:29 am .....

Łukaszkiewicz says they were desecrated, indicating they were robbed yes.
“Due to the destruction of the graves, it is not possible to count the bodies which have been there."

So where is the surveyors reporting showing the graves that were robbed from TII? Like the report I sent which showed the ones near TI.

Link to translations of parts of Lukaszkiewicz report here;

https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/treblinka/

Chapter III, on the Soviet and Polish investigations.

They dug pits, and found nothing to suggest 700,000 people were cremated.

You say that and then you quote them finding large quantities of human remains! There is a total disconnect between what you say and what the report states.

November 11, 1945
"A series of test excavations was performed at the place where the [gas] chambers had to have been located, in order to find their foundation walls if possible. Pits 10 - 15 meters in length and 1.5 meters deep were dug, uncovering undisturbed layers of earth. The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments attest to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters – its walls give recognizable evidence of the presence of a large quantity of ashes as well as human remains – was further excavated in order to discover the depth of the pit in this part of the camp. Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, still partially in a state of decomposition. The soil consists of ashes interspersed with sand, and is of a dark gray colour granulous in form. During the excavations, the soil gave off an intense odor of burning and decay. At a depth of 7.5 meters the bottom was reached, which consisted of layers of unmixed sand. At this point the digging was stopped."

Łukaszkiewicz didn't find a SINGLE complete body, only skulls and still decomposing parts, which could've been from anywhere around TI and TII, and/or could have been the typhus victims of TI during the end of 1943.
If they were from exhumed from TII, one would have to assume that all other bones magically disappeared.

Mattogno translations of the 1945 Polish report on TII;

"With the assistance of an expert surveyor and witnesses, I made an exact
inspection of the terrain. According to the measurements, the area of the
camp is approximately 13.45 hectares and had the shape of an irregular
quadrilateral. No remnants of facilities of the former death camp exist any
longer."

"But the physical evidence was not limited to objects. As we moved farther
into the grounds, we walked over a field which was sown with human
bones.
The bombs had revealed the contents of the desecrated soil. Leg bones,
ribs, pieces of the spine, skulls big and small, short and long, round and
flat."

"The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments at-
test to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at
maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters – its walls
give recognizable evidence of the presence of a large quantity of ashes as
well as human remains – was further excavated in order to discover the
depth of the pit in this part of the camp. Numerous human remains were
found by these excavations, still partially in a state of decomposition."

"In the northwestern section
of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of
ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often
still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposi-
tion. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert
in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any
doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examina-
tion of human skulls could discover no trace of wounding. At a distance of
some 100 m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay"

Mattogno goes on to state;

"On August 9 and 10, 1946, Łukaszkiewicz, along with the surveyor Trautsolt
and the court physician Wakulicz, searched for mass graves in the area of the
camp Treblinka I. In the forest by the village of Maliszewa, about 500 m south
of the camp, a total of 41 mass graves were found, of which 40 had been dese-
crated; many bodies were strewn around them. One grave was only partially
violated, and from it 10 corpses were able to be recovered"

So, grave robbing at both sites.

So, grave robbing at both sites.

He literally says bombs made the remains come to ground at the first site, nothing about grave robbing.

You say that and then you quote them finding large quantities of human remains! There is a total disconnect between what you say and what the report states

Again, it’s nothing anywhere near 700,000 cremated remains, this isn’t a serious forensic report, just guess work.

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:21 pm

joshk246 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 1:12 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:57 am

Link to translations of parts of Lukaszkiewicz report here;

https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/treblinka/

Chapter III, on the Soviet and Polish investigations.



You say that and then you quote them finding large quantities of human remains! There is a total disconnect between what you say and what the report states.



Mattogno translations of the 1945 Polish report on TII;

"With the assistance of an expert surveyor and witnesses, I made an exact
inspection of the terrain. According to the measurements, the area of the
camp is approximately 13.45 hectares and had the shape of an irregular
quadrilateral. No remnants of facilities of the former death camp exist any
longer."

"But the physical evidence was not limited to objects. As we moved farther
into the grounds, we walked over a field which was sown with human
bones.
The bombs had revealed the contents of the desecrated soil. Leg bones,
ribs, pieces of the spine, skulls big and small, short and long, round and
flat."

"The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments at-
test to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at
maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters – its walls
give recognizable evidence of the presence of a large quantity of ashes as
well as human remains – was further excavated in order to discover the
depth of the pit in this part of the camp. Numerous human remains were
found by these excavations, still partially in a state of decomposition."

"In the northwestern section
of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hectares by a mixture of
ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless human bones, often
still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of decomposi-
tion. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an expert
in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any
doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examina-
tion of human skulls could discover no trace of wounding. At a distance of
some 100 m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay"

Mattogno goes on to state;

"On August 9 and 10, 1946, Łukaszkiewicz, along with the surveyor Trautsolt
and the court physician Wakulicz, searched for mass graves in the area of the
camp Treblinka I. In the forest by the village of Maliszewa, about 500 m south
of the camp, a total of 41 mass graves were found, of which 40 had been dese-
crated; many bodies were strewn around them. One grave was only partially
violated, and from it 10 corpses were able to be recovered"

So, grave robbing at both sites.

So, grave robbing at both sites.

He literally says bombs made the remains come to ground at the first site, nothing about grave robbing.

We only have the excerpts Mattogno translated to go on. Obviously Lukaszkiewicz was aware of the use of explosives at TII, and the grave robbing at the TI cemetery.

You say that and then you quote them finding large quantities of human remains! There is a total disconnect between what you say and what the report states

Again, it’s nothing anywhere near 700,000 cremated remains, this isn’t a serious forensic report, just guess work.

How do you know that volume of human remains, over such a large area, is nowhere near 700,000? You, with all your bias, have just decided that, based on no evidence. At least I have evidence of hundreds of thousands arriving at the camp, being killed and buried, so I can say there is at least 700,000 dead, based on evidence.

We only have the excerpts Mattogno translated to go on.

At least I have evidence of hundreds of thousands arriving at the camp, being killed and buried, so I can say there is at least 700,000 dead, based on evidence.